Morality Didn’t Exist Prior To The Christian Bible
After seeing that garbage debate on CNN about atheism in America I was just about ready to punch my TV in hopes that the asshole on their “panel” would feel it. There were two main things that pissed me off about the trash that they were spouting.
- Atheists apparently don’t believe in anything.
- If you don’t believe in God/Bible you have no morals.
Both these points are so wrong it disgusts me. What the hell makes these idiots think I don’t believe in anything? Oh, right cause I don’t believe in what they believe in, clearly means I don’t believe in anything. Right. I guess that makes a lot of sense according to their twisted logic since, they also claimed that 97% of the US is Christian; totally false. Here we are
According to the 2001 American Religious Identification Survey (discussed below), 80% of the U.S. is Christian and 15% adhere to no religion or are Atheist/Agnostic
Awww, look at that, I guess you were completely wrong. 15% of 300,000,000 is 45,000,000. Yes, that’s right, 45 million Americans that do not believe in your god(s).
What do I believe in? I believe in truth, an end to lies, an end to hate and an end to intolerance. We are all humans and should all be treated equally. But I guess that doesn’t actually count as anything since.. you know, I’m an atheist.
Next on their agenda, the bit that if you don’t believe in god or the bible, which means you have no morals. This point has been repeated so many times I honestly don’t think anyone has ever even stopped to think about what they’re saying. The implication was that the bible invented human morality; this is beyond laughable. Not only that, but how about the fact that the bible does not actually teach morality?! I’ve never met anyone that believes every story in the bible has good moral value and can be used as moral teaching material.
Let’s take the story of Abraham for example.. if we were to try and pull morals from the story it would have to be something like this: If God tells you to kill your son, don’t question it, just do it. You will be rewarded for your actions.
Fan-fucking-tastic. So all those news stories of the insane mother that thought God ordered her to make a human sacrifice chose to throw her three children into San Francisco Bay were justified, since the bible taught these amazingly moral values, right?! NICE.
So anyway, back to our topic, we clearly cannot take every story in the bible as being good for use in our moral teachings, then how do we know what’s good to use and what’s not? Oooooooh, right.. we use our already existing moral sense to pick and choose the good stories from the bad! So basically, the bible is just something people use to justify their garbage beliefs, like say.. hating gays or killing people who disagree. How many bible thumpers have you seen give away all their possessions and lead a life dedicated to serving the poor and needy? Ted Haggard certainly didn’t, Pat Robertson certainly didn’t, so clearly the teachings of Jesus have no positive moral values, since they choose to not use them in their own lives. You might just say they used their own sense of morality (or in these two cases, greed since their moral values are just about null, self gain is number one) to pick what dictates their morals, which means the bible is effectively good for nothing.
So what is the bible good for? Fire-paper perhaps?
Jul 05, 2007 @ 00:14:05
Hey all books burn, fire doesn’t discriminate, neither should we, so the next time you see one of those good old fashioned Christian book burnings, just throw a couple of their favorite volumes on the fire and see how they like it.
Aug 05, 2007 @ 21:49:48
Good point, Dan. Hell, maybe us Atheists should get together and have a Bible burning, give the Christians a real reason to not like us :D
Feb 26, 2010 @ 15:19:17
Heaven and hell shall pass away, but God’s word stands forever! You can burn the books and say what you like, but it doesn’t change His word. Every knee shall bow to Jesus, whether in heaven OR HELL!!! Your unbelief doesn’t change a thing, and despite all your harsh words and harden hearts, He still Loves YOU! Imagine that!!!
Feb 26, 2010 @ 15:46:58
Wait wait wait.. he’ll send me to hell if I don’t praise him…… yet he loves me.
Riiight. If you call that love, I don’t think you know what love is. Sounds like an abused wife talking.
Feb 26, 2010 @ 17:09:19
But if Heaven passes away, Yahweh would just be a lonely demented old man floating in nothingness!
Nov 17, 2010 @ 17:16:28
Heaven shall NEVER pass away, for the Lord Almighty loves us. God bless you. :)
May 29, 2010 @ 15:32:00
i don’t really believe, i’m not really bothered what others think but i don’t think it’s real, i mean if god and jesus realy loved us no matter what, why would he send us to hell??
just think about that, and they say that the bible was written before it really happened, now thats impossible unless a pshycic writ it, which i doubt, and holy spirit? fail… u can’t just learn milions of languages in a few seconds, u believe wat u wana believe, but to me, it’s a lode of shit
Nov 17, 2010 @ 17:15:05
Well, you have to take it from the way WE see it.
1. Atheists don’t believe in anything because lack of faith in God is lack of faith in a hopeful life. What’s there for you to hope after we’re gone? If what you say is true, then we’ll all die and wither away. But with Jesus, we can experience Heaven once we die. Which sounds better to you? If you pick the primal you are irrational and will never be happy with your life.
2. I agree with this. If you don’t know who Jesus is, then you will be one to make up your own rules in life without caring about the lives of others. THAT is ignorance right there. God brought us laws and the Ten Commandments so that we can live Holy lives. We are taught to hate the sin, not the sinner (we are all sinners, but we have Jesus in our hearts, what about you, atheist reader?).
Sep 25, 2011 @ 08:25:38
1. So… your beliefs are true just because they imply an happier ending?
2. Did you even read the article you are commenting on here?
“What do I believe in? I believe in truth, an end to lies, an end to hate and an end to intolerance. We are all humans and should all be treated equally. But I guess that doesn’t actually count as anything since.. you know, I’m an atheist.” – qft
Your twisted logic and complete ignorance of atheists with morality (w/o the need for some invisible uber-guy) make me sick…
Mar 19, 2011 @ 03:39:50
I just have to reply to the previous statements:
1) Most atheists I know try to make the best out of the life we have instead. We have hopes that we can improve this life, not just for us, but for everyone else as well. What incitements does believers have in making the life of their others better? I think having just one life rather makes you make the best out of it.
2) Here I would like to dissect the 10 commandments, but apparently the second commandent (You shall have no other gods before me…) takes precedence above the sixth (You shall not kill). Nowadays at least the fourth (Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy) does not. It is also interesting to note that even if the bible haven’t changed, a lot of the morality that is written it is has. I recently came upon some interesting texts:
Psalm 137:9: “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks…” and similar murders in: Exodus 4:22-23, Numbers 31:17:(Moses), 1 Samuel 15:1-8, 2 Samuel 12:11-19.
This is definitely not encouraged nowadays, unless of course you follow the bible. What stops me from bashing kids against rocks are not voices I hear in my head, or what a guy in a big hat tells me, rather myself considering the implications of my actions (and I am borderline psychopath) and realizing that they are not very kind.
What stops a Christian person, when they know as long as they believe in Jesus, from doing this. As far as I have gathered, nothing. Since Jesus forgives you for bashing children to rocks, as long as you honestly believe he told you to do it.