Me again. Just one small point — simpler is a tad misleading. Occam was actually talking more of not bringing in extra sub-explanations (much as Christian apologetics must) rather than mere simplicity. The simplest, and least useful, pseudoexplanation of all is goddidit.
TERRIBLE, have Atheism, Christianity and Science… and all the branches of science… this is such a bastardization of occam’s razor that this poster should be printed out and burned….
Brian, having science in there would make no sense!! The poster depicts two theories of the same thing: God.
Science is theory of nature (including the universe), not whether God exists or not – however studying the universe definitely undermines most religious dogma… You see, atheism is just the natural way to go.
Being an atheist, I still find this poster wrong. Either the theory/explanation is the plain existance of god, and atheism as the simple denial of his existance is not what I would call a theory. Or the subject of the theory is not only wether or not god exists, but also his influences on the creation of earth. And since atheists should believe in the scientific explanations, and there are several theories, it’s hard to determine on of the views as “the simpler one”.
paintings are painted by a painter, sculpture is created by a sculptor.. atheism is a self limiting philosophy.. te be an atheist one is God..a violation of the Law of non contradiction..
adam pate :paintings are painted by a painter, sculpture is created by a sculptor.. atheism is a self limiting philosophy.. te be an atheist one is God..a violation of the Law of non contradiction..
In order for a painter or a sculptor to create a painting or a sculpture, they would need materials. Otherwise, neither of the two can create a painting nor a sculpture. Ergo, you just committed a logical fallacy in the name of a god.
You have a non-sequiter in there…”te be an athiest one is God”. Being an athiest does not make one a God. That is like saying “to be a Mormon, one is a frog”. It does not follow. Also, how is atheism a self limiting philosophy? “Philosophy” literally means “love of knowledge”. Belief without evidence limits philosophy because knowledge must be ignored and not sought out lest the belief be challenged by new information. All beliefs that must rely on faith are therefore self-limiting, as I have just shown. Seeking evidence before belief allows any possibility that can supply reasonable evidence, and is therefore unlimited in it’s scope. By this we see that atheism is not a self-limiting philosophy, but is unlimited, while any religious belief is absolutely and fully self limited to the point of no longer fitting the definition of philosophy, but is instead the literal polar opposite of philosophy. After all, I don’t think anyone would define love as intentional ignorance of.
Don’t go all “fundie” out there. Ain’t y’all got no sense of humor. It’s meant to be funny, not illuminating. Stop with the literal interpretations already!
I’ve never seen the branching heresies depicted so well. I’m downloading to save in my Atheism file.
Great poster! However, the actual situation (about the upper part) is much more complex, with a great deal of fragmentation (and inter-faith cannibalization) in the last 300 years…where do Mormons, Baptists, Methodists, Seventh Day Adventists, Pentecostals, Jehovah’s Witnesses and other cults figure in this?
I think I ended up laughing harder at the serious, uptight people, then the picture itself. :D Thanky ou, all, for amusing me! I shall be nice and not name names, though. :P
with the vast amout of information and facts about the earth and space through such fields as archaeology, biology, astronomy, geology, genetics, anthropology, and paleontology, just to name a few of the fields of science, which disprove nearly all modern creationist theories it is really hard for me to fathom that 53% of americans believe in creationism. with the wealth of knowledge that is available to people today how can someone believe that “one little carbon organism [humans] in the backwaters of the milky way galaxy, can betray god”. to open your mind and accept knowledge over belief is the only path to true enlightenment and oneness with your life, knowledge is something that is known, belief is something that you imagine to be true.
one needs only to check evolution with archeology..evolution fails… i don t need the bible to disprove evolution.. randomness and physics tells us the progression of all things is toward less energy and more chaos..if evolution is correct, the universe has inconsistencies in one arena an absolutely precise mathematical harmony everywhere else…painters paint paintings, engineers build rockets and God built your universe.. nothing random about it at all..accident is a term that is not used to describe wrecks..they are collisions with a CAUSE
I think Occams Razor applies well to Atheism.
Not for the resons in the pic, but because.
I truly believe the simplest explination that requires the fewist assumtions is usually the right one.
The thought of an all knowing being or God, that conjures up incredibly complex systems involving miracles with the snap of a finger, is way more complex and requires many more assumptions than evolution.
one needs only to check evolution with archeology..evolution fails… i don t need the bible to disprove evolution.. randomness and physics tells us the progression of all things is toward less energy and more chaos..if evolution is correct, the universe has inconsistencies in one arena an absolutely precise mathematical harmony everywhere else…painters paint paintings, engineers build rockets and God built your universe.. nothing random about it at all..accident is a term that is not used to describe wrecks..they are collisions with a CAUSE
To be more accurate, the atheist side should have just 2 brances. Old atheism, and neo-atheism. One who simply disbelieves in God, and one that almost makes it a religion to disbelieve.
Yep, all atheists are the same and think the same. Sure does me justice to say that when I became an atheist, I joined a group where everyone has the exact same train of thought as the rest of the people who don’t believe in a god.
Of course, I don’t see how the Christians having different viewpoints on the topic of their faith takes away any of their legitimacy.
Lightning takes the simplest and easiest path due to its nature.. it s created intrinsic nature… that does not mean it could not in a different set of parameters act differently..i e.. religion rooted in the facts available in 30000 documents point in one direction.. you may disagree with a conclusion but not the validity of archeology and independent corroborative documents..course that would require the use of actual investigative intelligence and an open mind…yes i said those things .. intelligence and openess..
Agreed. When it comes to nonsense and finding an occurrence as an attempt to back up a belief, nothing in this world beats religion. I do understand though, these are frightened, ignorant, and brainwashed individuals–and we who can still think rationally out to give them a break. The poor, poor fools. I do hope the rapture comes and sweeps you all up. What a wonderful world that would leave for us scientists. We would immediately authorize all abortions, stem cell research, allow plant geneticists the freedoms they need, and think of all those bible we could finally burn because if one book is actually dangerous, that is the one.
I fully expect these poor fools to have a belief system that attempts at every juncture to add two skunks to a banana tree and times the result by the square of a speckled toad and determine that it equals a solid mystical Christian God that not a single one of them has seen or seen factual, indisputable evidence of yet after imagining a sun rise they all know a God exists and this is not just Zeus, but Yahweh, the Christian’s God of War.
Right Christians? I hit it didn’t I?
The worst part, is that there are some Christians that will be able to understand what I wrote above and know it is correct because they saw the word God in there. When your brain has been warped past the point of realizing reality, mysticism makes as much sense as you want it to.
Dec 15, 2007 @ 23:43:59
Good one, and that’s only Christianity! There wouldn’t be room for all the other mythologies or all the creationisms.
Dec 15, 2007 @ 23:46:40
Me again. Just one small point — simpler is a tad misleading. Occam was actually talking more of not bringing in extra sub-explanations (much as Christian apologetics must) rather than mere simplicity. The simplest, and least useful, pseudoexplanation of all is goddidit.
Dec 16, 2007 @ 18:00:02
TERRIBLE, have Atheism, Christianity and Science… and all the branches of science… this is such a bastardization of occam’s razor that this poster should be printed out and burned….
Nov 08, 2011 @ 23:46:54
Atheism is not a science…
Nov 08, 2011 @ 23:50:23
There’s nothing scientific about religion, nothing.
Not believing in bullshit sounds pretty rational to me.
Dec 16, 2007 @ 18:12:40
Brian, having science in there would make no sense!! The poster depicts two theories of the same thing: God.
Science is theory of nature (including the universe), not whether God exists or not – however studying the universe definitely undermines most religious dogma… You see, atheism is just the natural way to go.
Dec 16, 2007 @ 18:26:44
Being an atheist, I still find this poster wrong. Either the theory/explanation is the plain existance of god, and atheism as the simple denial of his existance is not what I would call a theory. Or the subject of the theory is not only wether or not god exists, but also his influences on the creation of earth. And since atheists should believe in the scientific explanations, and there are several theories, it’s hard to determine on of the views as “the simpler one”.
Jun 05, 2011 @ 01:41:09
paintings are painted by a painter, sculpture is created by a sculptor.. atheism is a self limiting philosophy.. te be an atheist one is God..a violation of the Law of non contradiction..
Jun 05, 2011 @ 08:51:25
>atheism is a self limiting philosophy
Being religious is enslavement as you must submit yourself to the whims and rules of your (non-existent) god.
Jun 05, 2011 @ 21:47:56
In order for a painter or a sculptor to create a painting or a sculpture, they would need materials. Otherwise, neither of the two can create a painting nor a sculpture. Ergo, you just committed a logical fallacy in the name of a god.
Sep 03, 2013 @ 14:36:59
You have a non-sequiter in there…”te be an athiest one is God”. Being an athiest does not make one a God. That is like saying “to be a Mormon, one is a frog”. It does not follow. Also, how is atheism a self limiting philosophy? “Philosophy” literally means “love of knowledge”. Belief without evidence limits philosophy because knowledge must be ignored and not sought out lest the belief be challenged by new information. All beliefs that must rely on faith are therefore self-limiting, as I have just shown. Seeking evidence before belief allows any possibility that can supply reasonable evidence, and is therefore unlimited in it’s scope. By this we see that atheism is not a self-limiting philosophy, but is unlimited, while any religious belief is absolutely and fully self limited to the point of no longer fitting the definition of philosophy, but is instead the literal polar opposite of philosophy. After all, I don’t think anyone would define love as intentional ignorance of.
Dec 16, 2007 @ 19:12:11
Don’t go all “fundie” out there. Ain’t y’all got no sense of humor. It’s meant to be funny, not illuminating. Stop with the literal interpretations already!
I’ve never seen the branching heresies depicted so well. I’m downloading to save in my Atheism file.
Thanks, bipolar2
Dec 16, 2007 @ 20:35:19
There’s no need to go all fundie-crazy on this picture. It is meant to be humorous, but we all know fundies don’t have a sense of humor.
All in all, I’ve been goin’ the simple lifestyle for 11 years (ex-catholic) and I’m damn proud.
Dec 17, 2007 @ 11:30:16
Great poster! However, the actual situation (about the upper part) is much more complex, with a great deal of fragmentation (and inter-faith cannibalization) in the last 300 years…where do Mormons, Baptists, Methodists, Seventh Day Adventists, Pentecostals, Jehovah’s Witnesses and other cults figure in this?
Dec 17, 2007 @ 19:19:20
SierraBravo, I’d say that Mormon, Baptists, etc. all count under Protestantism, since they’re all splinter groups.
Dec 19, 2007 @ 00:49:07
I think I ended up laughing harder at the serious, uptight people, then the picture itself. :D Thanky ou, all, for amusing me! I shall be nice and not name names, though. :P
Dec 20, 2007 @ 01:57:24
with the vast amout of information and facts about the earth and space through such fields as archaeology, biology, astronomy, geology, genetics, anthropology, and paleontology, just to name a few of the fields of science, which disprove nearly all modern creationist theories it is really hard for me to fathom that 53% of americans believe in creationism. with the wealth of knowledge that is available to people today how can someone believe that “one little carbon organism [humans] in the backwaters of the milky way galaxy, can betray god”. to open your mind and accept knowledge over belief is the only path to true enlightenment and oneness with your life, knowledge is something that is known, belief is something that you imagine to be true.
Jun 05, 2011 @ 02:18:15
one needs only to check evolution with archeology..evolution fails… i don t need the bible to disprove evolution.. randomness and physics tells us the progression of all things is toward less energy and more chaos..if evolution is correct, the universe has inconsistencies in one arena an absolutely precise mathematical harmony everywhere else…painters paint paintings, engineers build rockets and God built your universe.. nothing random about it at all..accident is a term that is not used to describe wrecks..they are collisions with a CAUSE
Jun 05, 2011 @ 08:56:30
statement 1: true
statement 2: true
statement 3: absolute fabrication with no evidence whatsoever
No, you need a whole lot more, and no one has provided any substantiative evidence disproving evolution. You fail.
Dec 22, 2007 @ 04:46:46
Dec 22, 2007 @ 04:47:03
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May 23, 2008 @ 11:38:30
I think Occams Razor applies well to Atheism.
Not for the resons in the pic, but because.
I truly believe the simplest explination that requires the fewist assumtions is usually the right one.
The thought of an all knowing being or God, that conjures up incredibly complex systems involving miracles with the snap of a finger, is way more complex and requires many more assumptions than evolution.
OK let the bible thumping begin.
Jun 05, 2011 @ 01:53:51
one needs only to check evolution with archeology..evolution fails… i don t need the bible to disprove evolution.. randomness and physics tells us the progression of all things is toward less energy and more chaos..if evolution is correct, the universe has inconsistencies in one arena an absolutely precise mathematical harmony everywhere else…painters paint paintings, engineers build rockets and God built your universe.. nothing random about it at all..accident is a term that is not used to describe wrecks..they are collisions with a CAUSE
Jun 05, 2011 @ 08:56:59
If you copy/paste your response again, I’ll delete the reply. I don’t like spam.
Jun 05, 2011 @ 21:50:44
First, you need to prove us that “god” exists — and which one that is.
Oct 02, 2012 @ 16:07:40
actually the cause its whats known as pure chance and if you want your god there it is. chance and luck
May 23, 2008 @ 11:39:55
Wow I need to start using spell check :-(
Sep 14, 2009 @ 18:35:13
To be more accurate, the atheist side should have just 2 brances. Old atheism, and neo-atheism. One who simply disbelieves in God, and one that almost makes it a religion to disbelieve.
Oct 02, 2012 @ 16:05:44
well yes but the neo-atheism isnt tecnically atheism, its more setting up one organisation to take down an older more powerful organisation.
May 25, 2011 @ 03:03:04
Yep, all atheists are the same and think the same. Sure does me justice to say that when I became an atheist, I joined a group where everyone has the exact same train of thought as the rest of the people who don’t believe in a god.
Of course, I don’t see how the Christians having different viewpoints on the topic of their faith takes away any of their legitimacy.
May 25, 2011 @ 07:32:11
Atheism is ‘not believing in gods’, there’s really nothing else to it. Your other world views and philosophies are not related.
Jun 05, 2011 @ 01:37:01
Lightning takes the simplest and easiest path due to its nature.. it s created intrinsic nature… that does not mean it could not in a different set of parameters act differently..i e.. religion rooted in the facts available in 30000 documents point in one direction.. you may disagree with a conclusion but not the validity of archeology and independent corroborative documents..course that would require the use of actual investigative intelligence and an open mind…yes i said those things .. intelligence and openess..
Jun 05, 2011 @ 08:53:48
That was the longest most incoherent sentence I’ve ever read.
Oct 15, 2012 @ 08:04:17
Agreed. When it comes to nonsense and finding an occurrence as an attempt to back up a belief, nothing in this world beats religion. I do understand though, these are frightened, ignorant, and brainwashed individuals–and we who can still think rationally out to give them a break. The poor, poor fools. I do hope the rapture comes and sweeps you all up. What a wonderful world that would leave for us scientists. We would immediately authorize all abortions, stem cell research, allow plant geneticists the freedoms they need, and think of all those bible we could finally burn because if one book is actually dangerous, that is the one.
I fully expect these poor fools to have a belief system that attempts at every juncture to add two skunks to a banana tree and times the result by the square of a speckled toad and determine that it equals a solid mystical Christian God that not a single one of them has seen or seen factual, indisputable evidence of yet after imagining a sun rise they all know a God exists and this is not just Zeus, but Yahweh, the Christian’s God of War.
Right Christians? I hit it didn’t I?
The worst part, is that there are some Christians that will be able to understand what I wrote above and know it is correct because they saw the word God in there. When your brain has been warped past the point of realizing reality, mysticism makes as much sense as you want it to.