Islamic Cartoons
June 19th, 2008 | Categories: Funny Stuff | Tags: cartoons, crazy, Funny Stuff, god, infidels, insult, islam, religion
Who doesn’t love making fun of a religion as crazy as Islam?
Who doesn’t love making fun of a religion as crazy as Islam?
… think some of us should have a drug test before being allowed to comment on this site…..
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Facebook doesn’t divulge user’s IP addresses, nor do I on this website.
Based on your IP however (I can see everyone’s IP on this site), you live in Nottingham.
If I dig deeper, I know your exact address..
Ohammed Shatwan
1-161-881-9279
26 York Avenue
Whalley Range
Manchester, GMANCH M16 0AR
i’m in manchester, not nottingham.
facebook doesn’t divulge a users IP and nor do you.
but my nifty little hacking tool does!
(well its not mine but i found it on google)
Nifty little hack tool, that’s amazing.. I bet you don’t even know what an octet or subnet mask is, and you’re talking about hacking facebook to get a user’s IP address.
i do actually…
You should respect murderers and misogynists.
hey dude whats wrong with u why u dislike so much Islam
i suggest to study Islam u will get all your answers its not our Prophet’s fault that people are not following him and showing intolerance and by the way the pics tell the story about talibans which are created by america cia.
u should respect religions
Why?
Because fuck you.
That’s why.
YOU KNOW IT IS THAT COMMENT AND THE IGGNORANCE YOU ARE SHOWING IN THAT COMMENT THAT KEEPS THE HATE OF ALL RELIGIONS AND HATE IN GENERAL GOING GOD FORGIVE YOUR SOUL (ATIF SALAM ALIKUM AND ALLAH KEEP YOU IN PEACE ALWAYS MY DEAR FRIEND INSHALLAH )AND I WILL SAY THIS ALSO I WAS BORN AMERICAN AND I WAS BORN CHRISTIAN BUT I AM NOW MUSLIM AND IF CHRISTIANS STUDYED THE BIBLE AND THE TORAH AS THEY SAY THEY DO THEY WOULD SEE THAT YES MOHAMMED(PBUH) IS THE LAST PROFIT IN THE BOOK OF SONG OF Solomon
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/T2RFSKPNSNML1F5FN
study and the place judgement where it is due it is not the fault of yourself but the fault of your fathers and there fathers that you have gone astray blessing to all and peace be with you
to andre.
your comment shows nothing but a dogmatic view of this religion. you basically have no knowledge what so ever. the cartoons show of a bad person being cruel, but not a MUSLIM! i am currently studying in university. i have many manyyy manyyy christian friends. they all say one and only thing ” media is full of crap”. do you know what they mean? DO YOU? well in case you don’t i shall elaborate. it means we are are not harmful nor cruel people. we live life the way it has been recommended by our prophet. but you know what else, many manyy manyyyyyy people do not follow that path but choose another. you kno what happens next? they go on and do evil, and state there muslims. its a lie. even if it’s true, ask them the question ” who is your god?, who is your prophet, what is your book and finally say what have you done i tthe past 24 hours that have given you good deed and blessing from god?”
now, please stop polluting the internet with crap. if our really bored go read books, research then come back with facts. but i must say, if you really doo research your going to come out to be a more understanding person, because you are going to realise islam is not a bad religion, yet the bad people make it bad.
THANK YOU FOR YOU TIME!
PEACE!
I lol’d. Read my other comments, I know what I’m talking about. All religions are insane and destructive. I will never pick on just one religion, I target them all. Ask an islamic terrorist who his god is and he’ll say allah, ask him what his book is and he’ll say the quran, ask him what deed he has done and he might say he killed infidels, citing his holy book as justification. Ask a christian terrorist who his god is and he’ll say it is the god of abraham, ask him what his book is and he’ll say the bible, ask him what deed he has done and he just might say he bombed an abortion clinic, citing his holy book as justification. Ask a jewish terrorist who his god is and he’ll respond as the christian did, ask him what his book is and he’ll say the old testament of the bible, ask him what deed he has done and he just might say he expelled palestinians from their homes in order to take back his holy land, citing his holy book as justification. I’ve done the research, I’ve read your books, and they’re batshit crazy and full of inconsistencies and plot holes, not to mention plagiarism from old egyptian and greek mythologies. You believe what you believe because mommy and daddy told you to, and you still haven’t let go of the fairy tales, just as they likely haven’t. You might want to be careful who you call out next time.
How about no.
you and Andre aren’t really arguing with what hes saying…
just no and fuck you
you know what.
fuck you!
only kidding
Yeah, I know.
I think we both feel that we’ve gone over the arguments enough times in the past already.
This guy’s questions have been answered and answered ad nauseum.
If he wants to ask these questions, he can find the answers we and thousands of others have already given.
People.
A muslim cannot be a terrorist. And a terrorist cannot be a muslim. if somebody is terrorist, and he kills without right in name of Islam HE IS NOT A MUSLIM AND CANNOT BE. A sentence in Holy Quran says that ” If you kill one man without right, it is same as you killed all the people of the world”. A muslim can be only a man of peace and tolerance. Read Fethullah Gulen’s books and then you will see what is the real islam. Really islam is the best religion in the world. if you study it and become a muslim you will love it. i garantee you. really i do. read Fethullah Gulen’s books, really read and you will get it.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2244293620070522
Read this, then realize how stupid what you wrote is.
Don’t even bring your shitty books into this.
The Quran, the Bible, the Torah, they all contradict themselves and each other.
What a joke.
My dear friend. Firstly there is a rule. “humankind is usually against to the thing that does not know. So continues protecting his own ideas”. i read that article. but according to islam SUICIDE PARTICIPATES IN THE BIGGEST SINS. last years there is a group called Al Qaeda. they are giving a basd image to islam. and i do not believe their head ones are muslims. they may be jewish and just want to give a bad image to islam. but real islam is peace. dont believe every news that u read. i read many islmaic books and i saw that islam is agains terrorism in every aspect.i dont have to lie you my friend. yes i am hearing what some people are doing in name of islam. but i garantee you that real islam is religious of peace. you may visit this website: http://en.fgulen.com/
Bullshit. They’re Muslims.
Face it, they are Muslim, and they are the new face of Islam.
If you don’t like it, stop identifying with it.
You can’t fight trends like this.
and something.
you know only muslims that has fight during the history??? didn’t other nationalities fight. didnt italy fight, didnt hitler kill many jewish. didnt big Aleksander fight. Didn’t napolean fight. Didnt Great Britain had many colonies. didnt cesar fight. didnt serbians made many massacres in kosova. i am from kosova. i know what they did here. they killed many innocent people, children, old people, they raped many women. really they did. and didnt france go to Africa and took their diamond and made an underground Paris and left the africans without anything. and didnt these people had a religion or they didint carry what their religion say about killing innocent people. and afterthat muslims still cannot make fights. But still i am not saying that muslims can do terrorism. even if all muslim people will be killed the cannot kill an innocent person. this is whaty islam says. and what some news do say.
Don’t act like we and many others haven’t addressed, well, all of those conflicts as well.
The current issues today are now being addressed, one of them being Islamo-terrorism.
my friend even if you insist i am saying that islam doesnt accept terrorism
. i read books about islam. rerally i read prophet muhammed’s life and i saw what a modest and merciful man he was.
Did you also read about his child-wives? The one who was 7 when he married her and 9 when he had sex with her? Yeah that’s totally cool. Or how about his multitudes of other wives under the age of 14? Yeah he was modest and merciful, he was also a pedophile and a rapist. We read this stuff too, in fact we probably read it more carefully than you do, and we probably read more OF it than you do. I can personally say that I’ve read the holy books, I’ve read the spin-offs, and what you’re saying here is far from accurate. You’re reading what you want to read, whereas I’m reading what is written.
do you want to learn about real islam. or you are just against it.\/?????
I’m against all religions.
Even Buddhism? :O
I would say even Buddhism for sure. It’s almost an extreme solipsism, they believe that we don’t need to do anything to help the planet because all the planet is is a halfway point from one life to the next. Therefore we can clearcut forests, pollute oceans, and melt the ice caps with no “real” problems. Since physical life to them is nothing, so the planet earth too is nothing.
I think that’s delusional, too. However, it’s not like they come shoving their beliefs down peoples’ throats. The Four Noble Truths is also complementary of their peaceful behavior.
I’ve learned about “real” Islam, and that’s WHY I’m against it.
Not only that, but also because these supernatural beings you all believe in simply don’t exist. “Real” Islam, as you call it, is no longer what you wish it was.
people i wish you the bests. and have a good sleep. here in kosova it has darkened now . i need to go. bye bye bye…….my best wishes to you.
p.s. where are you from friends i want to know
Where am I from?
Sketchy.
I’d rather not tell.
I’m from here.
if u dont believe to god then who created you or the universe
people
I don’t have the answer to that question, and neither do you. The difference between religious folk and myself, I don’t pretend to know by saying a god did it.
No one knows. But if you “know” how it all began, then please, by all means, present the evidence.
about his wives and why did he marry many wives you may read this articele. firstly he married when he was 25. and didnt marry until 50. all other wives married after 50. at an age that there is not a big wih for many wives.
http://en.fgulen.com/prophet-muhammad-the-messenger-of-god/919-the-prophet-and-his-wives.html
You said, in a single paragraph (if you can call it a paragraph at all) that he married at 25, and that he married at 50. Which is it? Though I’ll go ahead and say that it doesn’t matter how old he was, what matters is that his wives were children. He was a pedophile and he was a rapist.
if you dont pretend that God did it then how did all this universe come itsself. dont u think. and u seem to be smart. why you are not thinking that a superpowrful being created it. then there is no ther choice or logical answer
Your answer doesn’t make any sense.
If an all powerful god created the universe, who created the god? All your answer does it make things more complicated and solves nothing.
The only logical answer is to suspend judgement. There is ZERO evidence of a supernatural being creating the universe. Alternative theories of an origin are just beginning to surface into the mainstream, and they too are far-fetched and lack evidence. Almost all of them lead to an infinite regress when they imply a creator. Who created the creator? Who created the creator’s creator? Etc ad infinitum. We don’t pretend to know what started it, we don’t give you a theory of origin, we don’t make shit up just because nobody has told us a straight answer.
Exactly. And it is possible to continue believing in any God or gods that you wish while admitting you *don’t know* or don’t have proof of the creation.
I am a Deist, but I admit that I too don’t know (we are all agnostic, whether we like it or not; there is no such thing as a gnostic), but my instinct tells me that if there IS a Creator God, this being is certainly infinitely intelligent, thus Deism’s view of God is the only one that makes sense to me. Because otherwise, why should I pretend to love a deity just out of fear?
read this article about who created god.
http://www.en.fgulen.com/questions-and-answers/584-who-created-god.html
are u still there people
Yes.
heloooooooooooooo
Hi.
everyone re-read this entire thread.. slightly awakwaard huh?
Hello
No one created God. He is eternal (without beginning and end). if some other one would create god, it wouldn’t be a god then. God is Creater and not creature. we that have a begining are creatures.
this is a chapter from Quran 112.
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
[112:1] Proclaim, “He is the One and only GOD.
[112:2] “The Absolute GOD.
[112:3] “Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten.
[112:4] “None equals Him.”
And we cannot know know Him or His appearance because He doesn’t have His opposite. we know light because of dark. we know hot because of cold. God has no even. He is ODD.
we cannot see Him. And did we pass all the universe for seeing Him. Or we are trying to put Him inside of His Creature(universe). and as scientists do say the universe has a begining and stills continues expanding, but they do say that this world has an end also. ISlam doesn;t deny science on the contrary supports its. And there are many things said to Quran since 14 centuaries which science confirms these last centuaries.
I’m just gonna stop reading right there and point out two things:
A) You don’t know that, because it’s not something you could possibly know. You can argue all you want, but in the end, you cannot know this. Period.
B) I can take the exact same claim and say, “No one created the universe. It is eternal (without beginning and end).” and it would make more sense, as it is a far simpler answer. It might not be easier for a simple mind to understand, but it’s definitely less complex.
Well if it’s written in the qur’an then it surely must be true, right?
How can we possibly question it now?
What I’m curious about is why it took him so long to tell us mortals exactly how he likes to be worshipped.
All those poor heathens and pagans had been getting it wrong for thousands of years.
Here’s the thing, you cannot support science with supernatural claims. Science deals with the natural, and does not accept the supernatural.
The supernatural does not exist, because this universe is a natural, logical, physical universe. To then argue that a supernatural being exists (inside or outside) is the denial of scientific progress.
You cannot prove the existence of this supernatural being with science, you cannot prove it’s existence with a book. You cannot disprove the existence of this supernatural being, you cannot disprove it’s existence with a book.
Where you initially go wrong is when you decide that this inability to disprove the existence is somehow evidence to the contrary. This is false logic. This is stupid. This irrational. This is unreasonable.
A lack of evidence for X is not evidence for Y, it is simply a lack of evidence for X.
When we say “we don’t know” we mean exactly that. We also should say that you don’t know either, because you don’t. Your insane placeholder theories of a god creating the universe aren’t true just because nobody else has an answer. The answer you go with is one that some guy pulled out of his ass about 9000 or 10000 years ago to grab power. The entire purpose of this was to get people to give him donations of money, food, water, and alcohol. Not only are these theories insane because of the claims of supernatural existence, but also because of the overwhelming loads of evidence to support theories that are in opposition to some of the core pieces of a god-made universe, such as young-earth theory. We know the earth is 4.5 billion years old, not 6000, and we know the universe is 13.7 billion years old. There is evidence to prove the old ages, which knocks young-earth theory out of the playing field, a core concept within religious texts.
Speaking of time and age, you and the christians tend to claim that your god is outside of time, outside of the universe, outside of everything else, well then why did it take him a full week to create earth? Pretty inconsistent if you ask me.
I’ll just end this rant here and let you give me more material to work with should you so decide.
Well, according to the “good book”, he already created the Earth on the very first day. It’s just that with each added day, he’d add to the “creation.” And, he supposedly rested on the “seventh” day, which is considered by many believers to be the Sabbath (Christians say it’s Sunday, Jews say it’s Saturday, and Muslims say it’s Friday — gee, Yahweh/Allah sure has an amazing 3-day weekend!). Bottom line: it didn’t take him 6 days to create the Earth, it took him 6 days to FINISH the Earth. He just sat his fat ass back and drank Kool-Aid the day after the sixth.
Then again, I don’t buy into this religion shit. It’s all stupid.
It’s still dealing in days. Which by definition is a 24 hour (approximately) period of time. They say he’s beyond time, beyond space, beyond regular constraint. Why would it take him any time at all, let alone measurable time?
It’s a load of crap any way you look at it, I shouldn’t even bother pointing it out, we all know those books change their mind every time you turn a page.
The wording of Genesis (and the rest of the bible) is very telling that it was thought up by men, and not an all knowing god.
This also applies to the qur’an and torah.
The perspective of what is written is that of a primitive, pre-science culture.
They can only explain the world around them to a stunted degree.
Anything beyond that is based on superstition and presumption.
“In the beginning god created the heavens and the earth.”
A mighty impressive feat. Makes you wonder why it would take another 6 whole days just to decorate one small planet with “light, sky, land, seas” and life.
If this book was written by the creator of the universe, should it not list the chronology of creation differently?
The sun, the moon and all the stars are allegedly made on the 4th day yet the oceans are made on day 2? Can someone please explain that?
Day 4 is particularly amusing to read. Here’s a link if anyone needs to refresh their memory:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:1%E2%80%932:3;&version=NIV;
The passage that explains the creation of animals distinctly catogarizes them into 2 groups – Livestock and wild animals.
Those can only be relevant categories to people living simple farming or nomadic lifestyles.
This theme can be found throughout all the holy books.
Talks of goat herders, carpenters, mules, plagues, famine, slaves, kings and armies.
Bloodshed by the axe and sword, sacrificial lambs, death sentences for petty crimes, sex with children, instructions on the correct way to sell your daughters.
None of this crap is “timeless” or remotely relevant to modern life.
The pages of these books are filled with crimes against humanity in the name of god.
There are countless examples of bullshit smeared throughout these books, which are supposed to be the central pillar of their respective religions.
It’s really insulting when the brainwashed faithful say shit like “just read the qur’an/bible and you will see how beautiful it all is.”
No! You wake up and see how ridiculous your religion actually is then you might start to realise how much better your life can be without the crushing weight of an ever-watching jealous god demanding your constant attention through ancient rituals for the duration of your life.
“He is ODD.”
Well, for once, I have to agree with a deist.
This one is a theist, if he really believes in his stupid book he’ll agree with me.
This is where the problem comes in, nothing (well, almost nothing) in their books makes any claims that creation was timeless. It’s all broken in up into those 7 days, and also it refers to years and even smaller divisions of the day such as morning, evening, etc.
Yet suddenly the modern christian says that his god is beyond time, beyond space, beyond conventional logic, ultimately supernatural.
Not only is it inconsistent with what we as humans have discovered in the past 150 years, but it is inconsistent even if we were to exclude scientific discovery altogether from the conversation. They aren’t reading this book, they’re just looking at it and making it up before opening the pages.
this isn’t something to discuss on this thread….
“Islamic” Cartoons
A thousand apologies.
Please forgive us for the trespass.
What difference does it make? It’s all the same mumbo jumbo.
How goes your support of Sharia Law?
hello IAN
univesre has a begining., the last science talks about big bang. that means that started from a very small point or nothing. Hubble proved that, which one also science confirms is that universe is expanding. so if it turns back it means that it has a begining and started. and about it starting someone must have caused it, science it has begun. this cause must be from its Creater.
Why “must” this be the case?
those things that about God created God for 6 days and the seventh day he rested, Islam does not accept that God rested. God does not need to rest. according to islam God is Mighty, Compeller, Originator, Self Subsisting. when He wants something He just says ‘Be’ and it is done immediately. and doesnt need for rest.
and Islam knows this, why/how?
Answer: JUST BECAUSE. *dusts off hands**
dont you see the univesre that is in a perfect shape. no need to go to others. look at earth. these are all located in a perfect way. and how can it all be itsself. and if we would accept it then we must say that all the atoms came together and talked, consultated, to form the universe in this shape without destroying earth or the shape that it is now. which would make the atoms thinking particles that has mind like people and know consultation. or it completely easier and to accept a Creater or there cannot be any other way. i am not against you. just i am using my mind and i believe it is the only answer.
Wow….. that’s, that’s just the silliest thing I’ve read in a long time.
“dont you see the univesre that is in a perfect shape. no need to go to others. look at earth. these are all located in a perfect way. and how can it all be itsself.”
I love that sentense. The ignorance and credulity you show here is incredible.
I pose this question to you, “why is god so wasteful?”
You think that humans are a unique creature in the world that have the attention of god.
You think that the admission of one’s soul into heaven is the ultimate goal of every human.
The life we live on Earth is supposed to determine our permanent fate in either heaven or hell, based on our actions and adherence to faith.
The time an individual spends on earth is completely insignificant compared to the eternity that will follow.
This afterlife will either strip us of free will and torture us for eternity in hell, or grant us all that we desire in a blissful heaven.
In either case, our souls will be in an alternate dimension that is apparently outside of space and time, and occupies angels, demons, past prophets and king dingaling himself.
So to summarise, earth is our personal proving grounds.
Your god, along with his entourage of angels, are overseeing and guiding us personally on the right path, while his nemesis & minions are diverting us towards sin and anarchy.
In the great schemne of things, all other species of animals and plants are irrelevant since only humans have souls.
If that is the case, then we are brought full circle to my original question.
Why the fuck would your great god bother to create the trillions of planets, stars, galaxies and everything else that litters the universe?
Is he trying to show off and prove that he can juggle all these celestial objects without breaking a sweat?
All while keeping a watchful eye over us to judge us when we dress scantily or drink alcohol or have bumsex with donkeys or draw a picture of his prophet.
[This Verse 2:255 is called Ayat-ul-Kursî is in Quran.]— not my own saying.
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
Allah! There is no diety except He, the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists. Neither slumber, nor sleep overtake Him. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on earth. Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His Permission? He knows what happens to them (His creatures) in this world, and what will happen to them in the Hereafter . And they will never compass anything of His Knowledge except that which He wills. His throne extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them. And He is the Most High, the Most Great.
This entire verse can be condensed down to “Allah has the biggest dick”.
You are stroking that dick every time you read this verse.
That entire verse can be condensed to “allah has the biggest dick.”
You are stroking that dick every time you read it.
what do you think my friends
What do I think?
I think you’re a complete idiot.
then what are your ideas so.
See here’s the thing, you say, “wow, the universe is so amazing and big and perfect, THEREFORE god HAS to have made it.”
The problem is, you don’t know this, you can’t know this, it’s not possible to know this…. yet you speak of it with absolute certainty and you dismiss anyone else’s thoughts on it as a result even thought your theory is very flawed and backed by no evidence whatsoever. If I told you that the flying spaghetti monster created the universe and didn’t rest of the 6th day, I would have EXACTLY the same amount of evidence to back up my claim as you do; and my claim would make just as much sense (none).
Unlike you, I do not assume that just because I don’t know the origins of the universe, I do not assume a god did it. Believing a god did it, merely helps simpler minds grapple with the unknown.
OUR book QURAN, our Prohet and the universe itsself says it. we have pur proofs: Quran, Prophet Muhammed and universe itsself. and tell me are u happy to die and not to resurrect again. tell me your proofs. you got none. you just have theories, which science isnt able to prove till now or u dont know. you want to enter a grave and to get eaten by insects, and than i dont care. thanks to God we have Quran, we have all these Prophets (Muhammed a.s., Jesus, Moises, etc…) and i am glad with my God Allah, and my prophet Muhammed peace of God be upon Him. i feel pitty for those who dont want to live forever. let it be so then.
This isn’t how evidence works.
This is circular logic and is simply fallacious.
A book presenting an insane theory about supernatural deities making the universe does not and cannot prove itself. A paper on the effects of vaccines on people cannot quote itself in order to prove it’s findings.
The Koran is not proof of anything, it’s just a book written by people who did not understand the universe, Mohammed is just a guy who made a bunch of claims that he couldn’t possibly know, and the universe most certainly is not evidence of a god.
This is COMPLETELY irrelevant. My happiness/sadness has nothing to do with the existence of a god.
If I fail my math test, does that mean you passed yours? NO IT DOES NOT. If I do not have any theories on the origins of the universe, THAT IN NO WAY VALIDATES YOUR THEORIES.
You really just don’t get it, do you? Logic eludes you even when it slaps you in the face.
of course it cannot. but it came from God itsself. and until now science couldnt deny anything what Quran says. all scientific parts said in Quran from 6th centuary science has found. and if you doubt in Quran look what Quran says:
Say: “If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur’an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support. [ isra 88]
Well, if the Koran says THAT then god MUST have created the universe. HOW COULD I BE SO STUPID.
All these years, wasted believing the my atheist gods!
Explain the relevancy of this quote please.
Once again, your book cannot be the evidence for the claims it makes itself. A book that says “God wrote me” doesn’t prove a god wrote it simply because it says so.
What scientific parts? There is no science in your book, just superstition and fairy tales. By all means though, explain these “scientific parts” in as much detail as you would like, including evidence from external sources to back up the claims made.
labinot you silly fool.
You’re trying so hard to show us that there is science in the qur’an then you shoot yourself in the foot by mentioning Jinn (not that you had a valid case anyway).
The ridiculous notion of Jinn was around from pre-islamic times to “explain” unseen forces and to communicate with the dead…
“An apple fell from a tree??? But it was firmly attached? There can only be one explanation! There is an entire race of smokeless flame people that reside within an alternate dimension that is overlayed alongside ours! They can play pranks on us or help us communicate with the dead during our scientificly proven seances.”
Sane people today would dismiss that reasoning because we now know better.
The qur’an, however, endorses this stupid theory so idiots like yourself take it on board as fact even though you cannot – and will never – prove it.
you can open this web and check a lot of science written in Quran, which science proves
http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_01.php
download or open it and you may read. or if u can take any book. science and quran. you may read.
I have no interest in any religious texts, thanks.
If I want to learn about the universe, I’ll read a book on astronomy; something that’s actually rooted in reality.
No, I’m not reading something written by someone else.
Prove to me that you actually understand what you’re reading it by writing it here yourself.
Explain the claims being made, and tell me how they are scientific.
Explain how the science works, and then give me the evidence.
Providing me with a link only shows me that you don’t know what you’re talking about, and that you simply assume that the person who wrote whatever it is you’ve read does.
Explain it yourself, prove that you comprehend it, show me that it’s legitimate science.
look one prove: taken from http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p1_02.php#2a
In the Qur’an, which was revealed fourteen centuries ago at a time when the science of astronomy was still primitive, the expansion of the universe was described in the following terms:
And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it. (Qur’an, 51:47)
this is what hubble found and science confirms. so the expanding of universe.
This isn’t what I asked for.
You need external sources, not quotes from one book with no basis in science.
You claim to argue in favour of science, well prove it.
Explain the claim, tell me what is being said.
Provide the evidence.
Until you do this, you won’t be taken seriously here.
Astronomy was not at all primitive in the 7th century.
The cosmos had been charted and understood for many thousands of years prior.
And not just in one location. Cultures all over the world developed independant calenders, constellations and star charts.
They could accurately predict eclipses and skymap shifts well beyond their civilisations’ lifespans.
If the qur’an was truly miraculous in its understanding of science then why is there no mention of complex science likely quantum mechanics?
ok. in i am not saying any book of islamic rules. a book what quran sayings proved by science by the time. and harun yayha’s book is a good one. book’s name is MIRACLES OF THE QUR’AN.
Ok explain to me what this book claims.
Explain how it is scientific.
Describe the evidence he uses for his claims.
On a side note: “a book what quran sayings proved by science by the time.”
This, if I understand correctly, is saying that the science at the time of writing the quran is the science you are arguing in favour of.
If there is one thing everyone should understand about science, it’s that it constantly disproves itself with new theories based on new evidence that becomes available.
I thought you knew science?
check this webpage
http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p1_02.php#2a
http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p1_02.php#2a
can you tell me your emails by the way
No I won’t tell you my email, I don’t want your spam.
Stop providing links to what you are trying to tell us, and tell us yourself.
i am from kosova. i am albanian. firstly i also didnt care a lot about religion and didnt know about religion. then in high school i started to read also religious books. where i understood the aim of creation of man. where did i come from? why did i come? who brought me here. what am i supposed to do here? where will i go? whill anyone ask me account? Do i have any responsibility to the One that gave me all these organs. what is my end? etc…?
The problem you have is that you automatically ask “who?”.
Why ask who?
What reason do you have to automatically jump to who?
Simple minds gravitate towards simple answers.
read these sentences ands see how could this be known buy normal people in that time.taken from Quran. [23: 12-14]:
And assuredly, We made man from the extract of clay.
Subsequently, we reproduced him from a tiny drop, that is placed into a well protected repository.
Then We made the drop of water a clot, then We made the clot a piece of flesh, then We made the bones with flesh, then We developed it into another shape. So blessed be Allah, the Best Creator.
So normal people can’t know this stuff?
Explain to me how this implies a creator.
Wouldn’t it instead imply that these people were insane to believe these kinds of things?
Seems like a substantially more logical conclusion to me.
Is your god an insane human?
Man was not made of clay.
It is no miracle that the qur’an can vaguely describe the development of a fetus.
In those times, the death rates due to pregnancy complications were incredibly high.
It’s not too difficult to imagine autopsies performed on dead pregnant women to understand what’s going on inside.
Cut open enough wombs, with various degrees of development inside and you can easily document the entire process from “clot” to baby.
You might argue that traditional burial rites forbid such autopsies, and that may be true in some cases, but there were still slaves, criminals, sinners and foreigners whose cadavers would have a different fate.
Even livestock, especially pigs, can biologically be remarkably similar to humans.
my god is this one.
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
[112:1] Proclaim, “He is the One and only GOD.
[112:2] “The Absolute GOD.
[112:3] “Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten.
[112:4] “None equals Him.”
this is my God, and i love my God.
You love fairy tales.
This, nor any of your other posts, have not answered any of the questions I have asked.
Each post you make simply raises more questions that I or any other regular user on this website could ask.
I thought you religious types liked definitive answers.
and Quran says also that moon before was light and than became dark, (like sun). as i read also science says like this. according to science this is an accedent, according to islam this is a goodness from God to people. thanks to god. if moon would be still light than it will be hard to sleep and relax. Quran says about moon. look in tbe 6th centuary science didnt know this. only now last sentuary found it.
This is simply wrong.
Leading scientific theories into the origin of the moon say that it either broke off the earth around the time the earth formed (about 4.3-4.5 billion years ago, not 6000) or that it formed as a sister planet but was unable to grow as large as the earth did, and so became our moon.
“Moon was light and then became dark.” Science agrees with this how?
The moon does not emit light of its own, it only reflects sunlight.
You’re clearly brainwashed and will never change your opinions even if we shatter your illusion of a perfect religion.
If you want to continue to lie to yourself then that’s your business but you should expect to be ridiculed when you make your opinions public because everything you have written here is an insult to human intelligence.
how could people know these sciencintific proofs in that time. only god could have taught these to people by His messengers. this is my email:
you may add it and we may talk also by email, easier.
andre
about asking for “who” is what i want to know who, why and where. i am curious about these ‘who’s . and i am a human dont think me that i know everything. what i know i am trying to tell. i read and learn. and i want also you to learn. but not force you. and im not able to write everything here. what definite answer do you want.
An answer to the questions I’ve asked.
You can’t seem to do this.
All this says about you is that you don’t know what you’re talking about.
why you dont teach me then. add my email and teach me. ok bye
You have no interest in learning about anything rooted in reality.
Exactly what Ian said.
You have no interest in the real world, and I therefore have no interest in trying to explain it to you.
Not been on this site for a while…
Reading through this thread has highlighted to me how woefully ignorant you people are. What evidence do you have that god does not exist? You have none. Yet you have the audacity to sit on your high chairs and claim vehemently, without an inkling of a doubt, that god and religion are purposefully and strategically concocted fairytales. You accuse Labinot of being ignorant and misguided, of following a religion he so adamantly believes because his view of life is, supposedly, far too simplistic to accept that which is unknown. You assume people who follow religion be it Islam, Christianity, Judaism etc have been indoctrinated into it. It is all very well for you to be an atheist, but what about everybody who isn’t. I am a 17 year old Muslim girl and I love Islam. I was taught to be kind and gracious, well-mannered and polite. To respect not only my elders but all those around me and their beliefs. Islam is a peaceful religion and Muslims have unfortunately been branded as “extremists” and “terrorist” because of a few misguided individuals. I won’t advise you to reconsider your thoughts and feelings, nor will I try to debate how the universe came to existence, but I do urge you to tone the hate down. Were all human and your hatred of Islam isn’t going to get you anywhere anytime soon.
Yeah, I’mma stop you right there. You make a audacious claim that has no evidence, proof, or reason to it whatsoever (that god(s) exist), then you expect us to come up with evidence to the contrary?
You’re an idiot.
The onus of proof isn’t on us. We didn’t make the claim of existence, you did. You have to prove existence, we don’t have to prove nonexistence. That’s not how it works.
JimmyLo you sound like an intelligent young woman so I’ll reply with courtesy & respect.
Your argument may be well worded but that does not conceal the fact that it rings hollow.
“What evidence do you have that god does not exist? You have none.”
To argue against this point I would first ask you to define what you mean by “god”.
A deist god is harder to disprove because our technology and mathematics aren’t yet at an adequate level to fully understand the workings of the universe, its creation and its future.
But you said you are muslim, which means that you are arguing for allah, a theist god.
A god that has the power to intervene at a universal, global, and personal level.
A god that has announced himself to mankind and set a code of conduct that must be adhered to.
A god that made numerous rules about how people should live and exactly how to worship him.
A god who is indirect and vague, who chose questionable representatives as prophets.
A god who released a holy book into the world that makes numerous claims about the workings of the universe, the fate of man, the afterlife, judgement day, heaven, hell, angels, demons, jinn, miracles, flying horses and countless other illogical discrepancies.
A god who is obsessed with devotion, gaining it by instilling fear into the hearts of his followers.
A god that claims to be merciful and gracious but almost always opts for slaughter and bloodshed for non-believers and blasphemers.
A god with many angry followers, willing to kill indiscriminately both domestically and abroad.
A god that remains trapped in the 7th century, refusing to adapt to modernity or civility.
A god who, after 1400 years, has yet to provide evidence for his existence or link to the men and women that call to him daily or weekly.
The same people that force their religion onto their children and offer no alternative.
The same people who blindly defend their faith despite the carnage that results from it.
The same people who say that “a few misguided individuals” give their religion a bad name.
Those few misguided individuals are actually adding up to become a worrying number of groups.
The frequency of suicide attacks, car-bombings, shootings, beheadings, stonings, honour killings, and other murders in the name of god are at an all time high and still rising.
So you say we have no evidence?
I say we are swimming in an ocean of evidence but you can’t see it from your current perspective.
The specific traits of the god you follow are undeniably primitive, power hungry human traits.
Imagined by a coalition of men with beards, and fine tuned over hundreds of generations.
God can be disproved on so many levels.
Philosophy, cosmology, biology, geology and archaeology are some obvious fields that have proven that the holy books contain errors.
There are countless other, more specialised scientific fields that constantly chip away at the armour your god wears.
I won’t list further specifics as I have put forth many arguments against religion on this site today and in the past.
Instead I’ll give you a list of books that I recommend you read for further insight.
Richard Dawkins – “The God Delusion” and “The Selfish Gene”
Dawkins discredits religion mostly through his knowledge of biology and evolution.
Sam Harris – “Letter to a Christian Nation” and “The End of Faith”
Harris mostly describes the negative effects of religion on modern society.
Christopher Hitchens – “God is Not Great” and “The Portable Atheist”
Hitchens deconstructs god and religion through logic and reason.
Daniel Quinn – “Ishmael” and “The Story of B”. Quinn is my favourite author.
He describes in great detail the origins of monotheism and invalidates it with philosophy.
Also, watch some documentaries and read up about other religions, you will see how similar and pointless they all are.
Next time you pick up the qur’an, try to read it more critically and you will see that it has no relevance to life in the 21st century.
Any good qualities found within its pages, like examples of morality, can still be found without it.
Losing your faith in god and religion does not mean that you will become a lawless beast without understanding of right & wrong or good & evil.
If anything, you will learn the value of life on earth, and enjoy your time here instead of worrying about earning a ticket to heaven.
You say we should tone down the hate?
These are just words. Read them or ignore them.
Bombing, shooting and beheading, etc are the examples of hate that need toning down.
hello
do u know what u are saying. while you are saying that there is no god, you are just announcing that there is god. whoud you believe a microphone talking itsself and saying no one made me, i am eternal or i came to existence without any cause. in contarary he is screaming and telling that someone made it. dont u think. every single tiny needle has its author. every country has its president. every kingdom has its king. even the animals have their leader. and you people that are saying that noone created us. firstly you are not eternal, since the univesrse has a begining. so absolutely a superpowerful being created us. that being must have the control of all universe. everything in universe is copnnected to each other, starting from atoms till galaxies or supergalaxies or much more.
they resemble to an army. but an army must have its commander. ey humankind. look at your perfect mechanism, body. look how perfectly THEY ARE CREATED.
THERE IS NO OTHER GOD, BUT GOD. AND MUHAMMED, JESUS, MOISES, ABARAHAM, JOSEPH, JAKOB ETC.. ARE HIS SLAVES AND MESSENGERS.
“while you are saying that there is no god, you are just announcing that there is god.”
No. We’re saying there isn’t a god, there is no double standard here.
“look at your perfect mechanism, body. look how perfectly THEY ARE CREATED.”
The human body, and all animal bodies for that matter, is far from perfect. The most obvious flaw is it’s squishiness. It’s weak, frail, prone to accidents that cause serious physical damage and death.
A less obvious imperfection is the awkward position of certain nerves and tendons, such as the one that comes from the bottom of the brain, down to the throat, loops around our vocal chords, and then back up to another part of the brain less than an inch away from it’s starting point. This can be found in many mammals. Why would a designer do this? It’s just bad engineering if someone or thing planned it out.
“ARE HIS SLAVES AND MESSENGERS.”
You know slavery is a bad thing, right?
Firstly i am very proud to be simple. thank you for your compliment. if you really see me simple i hope to be simple also to other people’s eyes. being simple to people is being high to God. i hope to live as a simple and die as simple. i am poor. and the poor fits staying with the poor. i wish god also accepts me as a poor and forgives me.
do you know what. every one is happy when being free from slaveness. but weirdly we are happy to be God’s slaves.
finally we are His property, even if somebody may not want. he is such a merciful owner such if unbelievers would see it will think that he will forgive them. but he is also a punisher, such as very devoted believers are scared from His punishment.
as it seems. you wanted to walk wiht your head not your legs. or you wanted to have your mouth at your foot. or maybe you wanted to be robot. never be sick or have any accident to get injured. real muslims are happy to be sick, cuause it means that God loves them. going to paradise is not easay, also hell is not unnecessary.
None of what you said here made any sense.
Only a fool would be happy to be a slave of any sort, and only a fool would be happy to be owned by something as though they were property.
Are you a fool?
i am what my Lord accepts me.
The Qur’an says, and I say too – I won’t hold back:
I lodge my complaint with Him. I’m not confused, like you.
* * *
I cry out to the True God; I don’t slip away, like you.
I shout my cause from the ground to the skies; I don’t flee, like you.
* * *
For all the Qur’an’s cause is light upon light; I don’t renege, like you.
In the Qur’an is truth and wisdom; I’ll prove it. I count as nothing hostile philosophy.
* * *
In the Criterion are diamond truths; I take them to myself, not sell them, like you.
I journey from creation to Creator; I don’t lose the way, like you.
* * *
I pass over thorny paths, I don’t tread on them, like you.
From the earth to the Throne, I offer thanks; I don’t neglect it, like you.
* * *
I look on death and the appointed hour as a friend; I am not frightened, like you.
I’ll enter the grave smiling, not trembling, like you.
* * *
I don’t see it as a monster’s mouth, a beast’s lair, descending to nothingness,
like you.
It joins me with my friends; I’m not vexed at the grave, like you.
* * *
It’s the door of Mercy, gate of Light, portal of Truth; I am not discomforted by it;
I won’t retreat.
Saying: In the Name of God, I’ll knock on it.5 I’ll not look behind me nor feel terror.
* * *
Saying: All Praise be to God!, I’ll lay down and find ease. I’ll suffer no trouble
nor remain solitary.
Saying, God is Most Great!, I’ll hear the Call to the Resurrection and rise up,6
I won’t hang back from the Great Gathering, or the Mighty Mosque.
* * *
I’ll feel no distress, thanks to Divine favour, the Qur’an’s light,
and the effulgence of belief;
Not stopping, I’ll hasten, fly, to the shade of the Most Merciful’s Throne.
God willing, I won’t go astray, like you.
Well, I suppose this actually answers my question for once.
inshallah it is like this
andre do you know. you seem to be very smart. as we talked u know much. why you are not believing. i suppose your parents believe in god. did you have any problems before with your family. do u know that the first verse in Quran is : ”REad in the name of God that created.” god courages knoledge, science. doesnt forbide it. also qura says that can the people who know be equal with them that dont know. i invite you to belive. it doesnt mean that everything we dont see doesnt exist. we have heart we feel, we have mind we think, we have both we believe.
I think it’s because I’m smart that I don’t believe.
Anyone who thinks long and hard about this will come to the conclusions that Ian and myself have come to, or at the very least come close to the same conclusions.
You still use one old book as your evidence, and it’s a book that is supposed to be evidence for itself.
It just doesn’t work that way, and it’s foolish to think that it does.
if this book, quran, was false. then what was the need, that prophet muhammed, talked against himself. then why did he choose explaing islam instead of living like a king. because they offered him to be a king, have a lot of money, and live in peace if he would resign from his calling to islam. but he chose explaining islam.
124 000 prophets and millions saint people and almost all the world say that there is one god, one creature. the history doent know any period of time that people didnt belive to god.
Well there’s always 10k years ago and further back, when nobody had even hypothesized the idea of a god, so that tosses your second claim right out the window.
As for why your prophet chose what he did, I’d say that it’s because he was a fool. He was insane, he thought what he was preaching was true, but it wasn’t. That’s really all there is to it. I mean really, what’s more likely? That a supernatural all-knowing being chose some random guy from the middle east to tell everyone about him, or that some random guy from the middle east was insane and made up a bunch of stories?
People Back Then Had Hypothesized All-Knowing, All-seeing, All-hearing, All-powerful being
So That Tosses Your Claim Right Out Of The Window
This is false, humans lived as animals, they ate, slept, shit, and died.
They foraged and hunted. Farmed to a small degree.
They were mostly animists and pagans, worshipping the earth, the sun, etc.
@Hal
If you want to get more specific, yeah! :P
And the earth and sun certainly are not all-knowing, all-seeing, all-hearing, all-powerful beings. Heh.
Next time, Neutral, at the very least google it.
He is the Eternal One
The Wise Judge of affairs, we are under His decree;
He is the Just Arbiter; His are the heavens and the earth.
The One Knowing of the secrets and hidden matters in His dominions;
He is the All-Powerful, the Self-Subsistent; His is the Throne and the ground.
The Perceiver of the fine points and embroideries in His art;
He is the Creator, the Loving One; His is the beauty and the splendour.
The Glorious One Whose attributes are reflected in the mirrors in His creation;
He is the Lord, the Most Holy; His is the might and the grandeur.
The Originator of creatures; we form the embroideries of His art;
He is the Constant, the Eternal One; His is the dominion and eternity.
The Munificent Bestower of gifts; we are the caravan of His guests;
He is the Provider, the Sufficer; His is the praise and laudation.
The Beauteous Granter of gifts; We are the weavings of His knowledge;
He is the Creator, the Faithful; His is the munificence, the giving.
The Hearer of plaints and supplications in His creation;
He is the Merciful, the Healer; His is the thanks and the praise.
The Pardoner of the faults and sins of His servants;
He is the Oft Forgiving, the Compassionate; His is forgiveness and acceptance.
Thank you for preaching, now where is the proof?
I totally agree
every country has its president. every kingdom has its king. even the animals have their leader. since the univesrse has a begining. so absolutely a superpowerful being created it. that being must have the control of all universe.
but you people want to see everything with w\your eyes. which is impossible. if u want to see the unseen then your eyes must be big as a star and the universe be asmall like a house.
None of this makes any sense, people put other people in power, the people in power didn’t put themselves there, nor did they create the rest of us.
Your analogy is easily one of the worst anyone has ever come up with. The comparison doesn’t match even in the slightest.
if these dont make sense. then your sayings must be insane.
you dont even have any proof. but you are just talking there is no creator of universe. then how did it come to existence. since it has a starting and it is not eterneal. how did the sun become shiny and moon dark. how did the air become. then how did the people and the living things came to existence spontanously. if we were much further to the sun, there wont be any life on e\arth. if there wont be some spheres of atmosphere w ewont be able to live just because of voices that come from universe. and than “all these just happended”, but only a single nail is not being made itsself, but uivesre just happened.
Mohammed (peace of god be upon him)
accepted all the previous prophets,
didnt say he was son of god, neither jesus did
universe was created because oh Him (salallahu alejhi vesellem)
the universe wasn’t created FOR mohammed or because of him…
You dont even know anything about your own religion…
You making no sense has no bearing on whether or not what I say is sane or not.
You making no sense makes you insane, not me.
again, i agree
then how the hell did we come to existence. tell me a better way. absolutely we didnt come spontanously, because it will be a stupid saying. then if know any more logical way you should tell it, otherwise silent and accept the Creator.
But why does the Creator have to necessarily be Yahweh/Allah? Why can’t it be the many other gods that have been ‘revealed’ prior to the Abrahamic religions?
You’re not making any sense.
You say that we could not have just come in to existence without something creating us… but at the same time you’re happy to say that god has either always existed, or was created out of nothing…
Your argument is more nonsensical because it is more complicated and solves nothing.
then tell me your……… arguement
Argument for what exactly? Mankind specifically or the entire universe?
Quran says that if there were more than one god the universe will be destroyed
PRoof: once- they will be on confilct
then also to us people there isnt happening to be two kings or two presidents in a country. starting from villages that each one has only one leader also Usa has only one president.. we human are like mirror. at aus it is not happening to be more leaders than one. then how can the ubniverse has more than one leader or administrator.
The Quran says a lot of things; it certainly doesn’t make it true.
If I had a napkin with writing on it that said, “God does not exist”, would that prove that god does not exist? Not even remotely, so stop citing a book as proof of something.
yes.
same as that one proves that somebody wrote that also signs in universe prove that someone wrote them.
You really are a complete and utter moron.
You can’t just say that anything proves anything, because it doesn’t.
What exactly are you getting at?
arguements that how the univesrse is created, how living things are created, and arguements that God does not exist
We DON’T know, but neither do you. The Koran was written at a time when science was very underdeveloped.
We don’t have an argument for how the universe was “created” because we know it wasn’t.
We don’t have an argument for how living things were “created” because we know they weren’t.
Finally, you cannot prove nonexistence, and so we have no argument to definitely say “god doesn’t exist” but that’s simply not our job.
You must present to use your logical, scientifically backed argument to say that a god DOES exist, it’s up to YOU, YOU the one making the claim, YOU have to prove existence.
Oh but he DID provide proof, remember?
It’s written in the qur’an. QED
I’m actually getting tired of this guy, it’s becoming circles of stupidity from him.
We answer, he asks again, or he asks something else and works his way back to his original questions.
Give up, labinot, you’re an idiot and you always will be.
until you all people togather are not able to write a quran. you dont have the right to deny it.
if u dont believe it make also u one book like this. if u make one same ok than what u say is right. but no one until now could make one.
People like us have written tens of thousands of textbooks.
Joint projects written by several people on a particular subject.
You would know at least this much if you had a proper education, or even if you had a bit of common sense.
We have every right to deny that which has been essentially proven false.
Your book is a joke, it’s old and outdated.
Get over it.
but science until now could not deny anything what is written there. if it says there is one creator science didnt prove it to deny that creator.
Until now.
What is written in your sorry excuse for a book is all wrong.
You just said yourself “until now”.
Do you want to try again?
labinot, your questions show that you don’t understand science even at a simple level.
There’s no point asking us these questions because you need more than words to understand.
I recommend you watch some documentaries about the universe and about evolution.
Once you’ve done at least that, you will begin to learn the finer details of “creation”.
I’m sure you will still interpret the information wrong, and come back saying “Wow! allah is even MORE impressive than I ever thought!! How mighty he is to use accretion discs and nuclear fusion and electromagnetism and gravity and all other things that were once mysterious to me!”
hello
hi
You are mistaken, evolution is fact, there is no doubt about this.
So now you want facts?
Where are the facts for your bullshit claims?
Where are the facts for your belief in a god?
Don’t ask for that which you cannot provide.
You’re a real piece of work, is it really worth it to make such a complete fool of yourself continuously like this? Is your goal to show us just how stupid you really are?
What facts are there to prove or even support religion?
riddle me that
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labinot you are the stupidest motherfucker I have ever come across.
I love how you started your comments all polite and calling us your friends but then you descended to screaming capitalised curses. You demonstrate that you are immune to reason.
You’re just asking the same questions over and over, then spouting gibberish from the qur’an.
You are a champion of ignorance and everything we say bounces straight off your thick skull.
You follow a false god and your prophet was a child molestor and a rapist.
I hope you don’t have access to children. It would be foolish to allow them to learn anything from you.
Continue being a slave, your simple mind can’t handle the reality of the universe.
lets take a moment to reflect on some of your previous comments hal….
Do as you please little man.
You’ll find that I’m only hostile to idiots.
As opposed to what? Your comments where you claim to hack peoples facebook account. If you have nothing of relevance to say, don’t post.
i never said i hacked them….
i said i tracked their ip addresses to their facebook account.
hacking facebook accounts is pretty easy….
You tracked their ip addresses to their facebook accounts…you don’t understand how ip addresses work at all do you? While ip addresses are stored, facebook tracks and identifies you with cookies, NOT by your ip address.
Say what you like and what you want Gsmoa what you are for us not Kpawwadh worthless and this zeal, because you have to Atmlkon
After reading through this thread it has become apparent to me that he real question has been put aside to allow each of the participants to demonstrate their own wisdom. It is my understanding that God gave us all free will to decide whether or not there was one God on whom we could rely implicitly to be our protector, provider, comforter, or for short, a rock in whom we could trust. What religion you believe in or whether you believe or not is relevant only to you and God. Personally, I do not believe in Christianity, Judaism or Islam but I do believe in God and his Word the Bible.
So… you believe in the word of the bible…. but you’re not Christian…. riiiight.
hahaha!!
Which is far worse than a Christian who doesn’t believe in the Bible.
Judaism rejected Gods Word when they sacrificed Jesus.
Christianity rejected Gods Word when they Deified the man Jesus.
Islam rejected Gods Word when they wrote their Suras and relegated Jesus to the position of a minor Prophet.
And I rejected your words when I logged on.
jesus was not the man you think he was (that’s if he even existed).
There is no mention of him by any historian of his time.
The only ones that care what you believe are you and God I for One dont care.
God cares what I believe, does he? If you say so.
I would imagine that he’s more than a little angry then.
By the way, the lack of evidence for Jesus’ existence is consistent with the loss of Noah’s Ark, the Arc of the Covenant and any other physical object that could be used as an idol.
Yeah keep telling yourself that.
I hope that by the time you find out about his anger it is not directed at you but like I mentioned before that is entirely up to you. As long as you let other men influence your decisions you are lost to the current bestseller.
This applies to every religious belief out there, including your own version of christianity.
Your religious stance or view will have been shaped over the span your lifetime by the influences most prominent to you. For most people, the parents are the strongest influence.
Another strong influence comes from the books that you read…
Which brings me to a question that I have for you. How many times have you read the bible?
You write about your god with such certainty and attribute all these fine qualities to him but take a moment to consider the weight of the assumptions made in your statement.
Provider? Protector? You’re deluding yourself if you think this is the case.
The people who depend on their god “implicity” should expect to be disappointed.
My advice to you would be to get up and dig yourself out of your situation rather than kneel and ask your invisible friend to intervene or even acknowledge you.
Also since you cannot possibly know anything about god outside of the cliché caricature described in your bible, then to assume there are numerous gods is as equally “valid” as your case for only one.
By equally valid I mean equally irrational. You’re better off casting him into the same pit that contains all other defunct gods imagined by our ancestors.
Since god doesn’t exist, or at least doesn’t intervene with our insignificant planet, then it is not god’s anger that is a threat, but the anger of his followers.
You were most likely referring to judgement day, another wild and unprovable concept.
I’ll stay grounded to reality, thank you, and talk about the destructive force of the religious herd mentality.
You mentioned something about god giving us free will? You forgot to say that it comes with strings attached. That your free will must align with others around you if you don’t want to face their interpretation of suitably proportionate retribution.
For the heavily religious, or governments that follow religious laws, free will is a dangerous thing if it is an option at all.
Many millions of people today, and an unimaginable number throughout history have been killed by other men who felt that god’s law justified it.
Your vision of god is unsustainable.
With each generation we learn more about the workings of the world from science and logic. Religion is finding itself not only outdated and inflexible, but also irrelevant and downright incorrect.
Yet for now, a few religions remain with an iron grip on their followers’ minds, sucking massive amounts of funding and only dispensing pittance for humanitarian aid.
Soon enough more people will see that the cons of supporting religion far outweigh the pros and dispense away with it altogether.
I dont know if I should laugh or cry. Your repition of arguments I myself spouted when I was in my teens and early twenties demonstrates your willingness to question traditional authority but unfortunately rather than even attempt to find the truth you seem to be willing to throw the baby out with the wash water. Most of your arguments are among the early reasons for my questioning and eventually leaving all organized religions behind. Just because the religious practices and tradition are false does not negate the truth of Gods Word.
You claim my vision of God is unsustainable and yet I have told you I do not agree with the current traditons but at no time have I explained where I stand other than my belief in Gods Word the Bible. Didn’t you mention somewhere in the string the stereotyping is rather foolish?
Your own experiences and anecdotes in no way disprove his statements. Just because you see yourself as having surpassed his line of thinking, does not in any way make your thoughts superior.
I find it very hard to take you at your word, when you say things like this, while in the same breath would admit to saying the Bible is the “word of god”. How can you not be a follower of a major religion, if you scripture of choice is THE scripture that defines Christianity? You’re a Christian in denial.
Not alone, no… but it doesn’t reinforce those superstitious beliefs (truth in gods) either.
Saying you believe in the Bible is more than enough of a description of your beliefs. You clearly believe in Yaweh, Jesus, virgin births, angels, floods, resurrections, and all the other non-sense found in that book.
So instead of pussy-footing around, why not alleviate that crushing feeling you seem to have when it comes to the old “YOU DON’T KNOW ME! STOP JUDGING ME!!” mentality.
So here we go: WHAT IS IT THAT YOU BELIEVE?
By definition I’m just gonna go ahead and call you a christian.
There are levels of theism, and when you believe in a particular book, you’re at the top (or bottom, depending on how you look at it) of this ladder.
You can’t walk around saying “I believe in the bible (the christian bible, as there is no other), but I’m not a christian!” It simply doesn’t follow.
Just like Ian said, you’re a christian in denial. Another possibility is that you’re an idiot guarding his stupidity with decent sentence structure and a couple of big words.
Personally I think they can be both one and the same, but if you disagree, then I’d say the latter is more likely.
Remain calm, Grant, there’s no need to laugh or cry. You come across as unhinged enough already.
Hold up. “attempt to find the truth” you say? Is this what you’ve done? Found it?
Did god deliver it to you personally? Did you decipher it from the pages of gods word?
Please would you enlighten us simple folk? What information is available to you that we have yet to find?
I assume you’ve read this whole thread. If so then you’ll pretty much know where I stand on the subject. You, however, remain closed with any specifics of your views.
From what I can see, you’ve cherry-picked elements of christianity that appeal the most.
You want to disassociate yourself from what you see as man’s corruption of god’s true meaning but you fail to realise that the bible itself is part of the problem.
Imagined by men, not god, and plagiarised countless older legends from near-history.
The confidence you try to show when defending the bible can be seen invariably in every devout idiot from all the major religions when talking about their respective holy books.
You mentioned a couple of times that you once shared my viewpoint and, as Ian pointed out, even implied that your line of thinking has evolved to a higher plane.
To that I would say that you’ve derailed somewhere down the line…
Probably when you read the bible cover to cover for the third time.
So do you have a decent argument that you would like to share?
I’m hoping for a decent debate here but I wouldn’t be entirely surprised if you said that you’ve had a personal experience with god that confirmed his existence and/or purpose.
Have you read the Bible cover to cover?
Sure have.
Thanks for dodging my question by the way.
As have I, if you wanted to know.
Just because some Christian reads their book from first page to last doesn’t mean they won’t still be ignorant of some questionable verses they came across.
I’ve read the Bible.
As we are on the subject, as you claim to understand it so well if you could help me out. I’ve had a little case of leprocy you see and I’ve been trying the whole doves blood on the ear lobes trick but it isn’t working, what am I doing wrong?
No you didn’t. Unless you work for facebook, or have access to their logs, you cannot do this.
You’re a liar.
From what I can gather neutral view only posts so he can link his stupid pyramid scheme websites.
Pretty much.
Luckily, wordpress adds `ref=”nofollow”` to all urls in the comments, witch means any attempt to do SEO spamming is unsuccessful since google ignores those links.
islam doesnt say jesus is a minor prophet. on the contrary Jesus is in the position of Big Prophets. and Islam tells us that God gave to Jesus miracles to resurrect the dead ones, to cure the ill people.
i am really sorry fore getting angry to you people. really i am. i just got angry and then i wrote offensive words. i apologise about it. i feel very bad for getting angry to you.
but i can’t stand offending the prophet. finally what did g\he do to you. ok offend the muslims you want, but please dont offend the prohet. he passed away about 14 centuries ago. if some people act badly please dont criticize the prophet.
The prophet is a pedophile and a rapist.
He was a terrible person and it’s disappointing that no hell exists for him to rot in.
No Labinot, you should read more criticism of your prophet to desensitise yourself.
It is not a natural reaction to become angry over something that you can easily ignore.
He has not earned a special status that exempts him from mockery, like you want to think.
Many muslims brag about how he is perfect and we should live by his example.
If that was the case, then prepubescent girls would be declared fair-game…
And we can’t have that in civilised society, can we?
even the unbelievers of Mekke called him trustful and they gave him this name. no one ever has heard him to have lied. and he teaches us to say only the truth, to respect the neigbours, to listen to our parents, to be honorable, to keep our word. even in the wars he forbides fighting the women. the children, the old people. we are allowed to fight only the enemy. about getting married to four women it is not obligated, it is just allowed. if both the man and woman accepts they can marry. it is up to their wish. if not they dont marry. here in kosova we marry only to one woman. if some people do wrong then it is their fault, not islam’s or prophet’s fault.
If someone does something in the name of islam or your prophet, then we can certainly blame their beliefs for their inspiration.
Things aren’t as simple as you think they are.
“we are allowed to fight only the enemy.”
Who is the enemy?
it is the one who starts to fight us. it is the one who came to our country, to our home and wants to take our properties, we fight them. also the one who fights us when we want to explain to someone God, he doesnt let us explain God, we fight him. but now noone forbides us explaining God so there is democracy and we can talk freely to anyone we want.
I’m sorry Labinot but that’s not good enough. Look at the situation in Palestine-Israel. The conflict started over 60 years ago. Most people involved today were born after that so they can’t use the excuse of “they started it”.
Both sides have wronged each other so many times that nobody even cares how it started, all that matters is that they hate each other by default.
Less disrespect for your prophet once more Muslims protest against the insane laws established (like Sharia Law) and also the terrorist acts which continues
what are you winning with disrespect.
our prophet teaches us to respect the others.
But this respect is applied with heavy bias towards kin and fellow muslims foremost in spite of their transgressions.
As soon as they’re slightly offended, an angry flag-burning lynch mob materialises on the streets of any given country, disrupting law and order.
These mass tantrums alone warrant the disrespect that islam gets. Add to that all of the other problems evident with islam’s incompatibility with modern civilisation, like shariah law, and I think we have a pretty good case.
Sure, the majority of muslims are moderates who follow peaceful lifestyles and give mutual respect to others at face level regardless of their backgrounds.
But if the moderates won’t keep the extremists in check then that task will be left to external groups, which will further increase tension.
In many cases, not only do the moderates fail to calm the fury of the extremists, but they will support them from the sidelines, purely out of principal that they are of the same faith.
i aslo keep the modern islam side. if you heard of fethullah gulen http://www.en.fgulen.com he keeps the ballance between islam and west. i also dont support these terrorist actions from some extremists.
My belief is as follows;
It was because of God’s Word mankind started dieing and it was because of Gods’ Word being executed and consequently resurrected that mankind has to opportunity to stop dieing. If you, whoever you may be, are willing to bow to God’s Word you will be saved in the day of God’s Wrath. It is because Christianity worships Jesus the man ,ie the creation rather than the Creator , that I do not consider myself Christian.
Oh, and Hal thanks for the spell-check, very Christian of you
You believe in a supernatural creator, therefore you are insane.
God didn’t make people start dying, since people invented him, not the other way around.
You say there are problems with christianity, why then would you make yourself a pseudo-christian who rejects this and that but not the other, and not simply think to yourself “oh wait, if they’re wrong about this, maybe, just maybe, they’re wrong about the rest!” Instead you cherry-pick the parts you like and look even more foolish than if you just went all-out.
You wouldn’t cherry-pick the standard model and say gravitons exist but photons don’t, just because you don’t like the sound of electromagnetism, would you?
Are you talking about the species of mankind dying out or individual immortality here?
In any case, you surpassed my expectations with your summary of beliefs.
Lunacy of the highest order.
FYI, the Bible cautions us to verify whatever anyone says about proper worship by checking it in Gods’ Word.
Were you raped by a priest as a child by any chance?
Enjoy yourselves while you can BFN
Oh, we have ONLY begun enjoying ourselves.
Y’all come back now.
Islam is religion of peace.Islam justifies the previous book, the Gospel and the Torah .. but, this doctrine is flawed and straightened in Al qur’an. Islam teaches love and compassion, Islam has only killed innocent people alone. Islam religion of tolerance. then what about Christian? Spanish Inquisition? crusade? even you can not practice the Bible? you change it! Islam as a stretch older brother-sister, Jews and kristen.tunggu course, who’s right, you’ll regret it someday …. in the Hereafter. Most holy God from having children …
Islam doesn’t justify the torah and bible. It carries their errors through, giving an additional reason to disprove the qur’an’s divinity.
As for your your comparison to christianity’s wrong-doings, it’s true, both religions are equally immoral. Your argument is so old, find a better one.
YOU KNOW IT IS THAT COMMENT AND THE IGGNORANCE YOU ARE SHOWING IN THAT COMMENT THAT KEEPS THE HATE OF ALL RELIGIONS AND HATE IN GENERAL GOING GOD FORGIVE YOUR SOUL (ATIF SALAM ALIKUM AND ALLAH KEEP YOU IN PEACE ALWAYS MY DEAR FRIEND INSHALLAH )AND I WILL SAY THIS ALSO I WAS BORN AMERICAN AND I WAS BORN CHRISTIAN BUT I AM NOW MUSLIM AND IF CHRISTIANS STUDYED THE BIBLE AND THE TORAH AS THEY SAY THEY DO THEY WOULD SEE THAT YES MOHAMMED(PBUH) IS THE LAST PROFIT IN THE BOOK OF SONG OF Solomon
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/T2RFSKPNSNML1F5FN
study and the place judgement where it is due it is not the fault of yourself but the fault of your fathers and there fathers that you have gone astray blessing to all and peace be with you
What an amazingly unconvincing argument.
Islam is wrong.
Christianity is wrong.
Judaism is wrong.
All religions are wrong.
Deal with the fact that you are not special, and that there are no god(s) watching over you.
All you’ve done, kristy, is jump from one sinking ship to another sinking ship.
The only difference is that your new captain punishes you with death if you openly abandon ship.
A-yup. That’s us.
rather than just commenting on others comments about islam, why dont the commentators go through the REAL ISLAM themselves, otherwise the biggest terrorist groups are held by the US and ISRAEL, and btw US was the one who created the terrorist muslim group, TALIBAN which is admitted by the US POLITICAL LEADER (s).. its not about US or ISRAEL alone, its about the muslims who believe in MOSES AND JESUS AND ALL THE FORE-FATHERS OF MOHAMMAD PBUH which makes us related. which community, which religion doesn’t have bad, terrible, extremist people in them, everybody have them… the thing is , how we perceive, and what we actually want to perceive….. MAY ALLAH SHOW U, ME AND ALL OF US, THE RIGHT PATH. AMEN. REGARDS,
TEHREEM MUNEEBA.
Real islam? There I was criticising the counterfeit version. Silly me.
Real islam on the other hand is flawless and perfect and right in every way.
Say otherwise, and allah will punish you bla bla bla. Judgement day bla bla bla.
mohammed (pube). RANDOM CAPITALISED WORDS bla bla. American terrorists bla bla.
Same arguments every time. Change the record. Bla!
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Which one is Hal and which one is the islamic guy?!
I can’t tell the difference!!
Ian, track the IP of this impostor!
As in, the guy calling himself “Hal”!
Actually I’d prefer if you didn’t publicly announce my address.
You’d put me (and my family) on the radar of many potentially violent people.
Don’t worry about it.
let’s say that there is no life after death. then, also the believers also unbelievers will decay, and nothing. but, what if there is life!? then, woe to unbelievers ( because hell is waiting them), but gladness for believers ( because paradise is waiting them). then, why to lose this seventy years world with an infinit world.
This is Pascal’s wager.
Not only that, but you are just believing for the sake of not going to Hell. Unfortunately, Yahweh and Allah are both completely stupid, so they’ll spare you if you die sucking their cocks.
I am not believing just because not going to hell. I am believing becauase this is the truth. Don’t say such things for God. He gave you life, then you are scolding Him. Instead of thanking Him, don’t offend Him. finally God doesn’t need us, we need Him. He just wants our goodness.
Well he can suck my goodness out of this hose. What a load of drivel.
If your god doesn’t need us, then why does he tell us that we have to worship him or else?
if your children or your workers won’t listen to you won’t you be angry to them.
if a doctor tells you many times to use some medicine, because you are ill. and he even calls you on the phone and tells you to use it. will you say to the doctor that he doesn’t need to care about you. God doesn’t us, we need Him, He is mercifull to us, that’s why HE warns us too many tiems.
Then almost all the world is insane. only you smart!!!
what do you think if 124 000 prophets and millions of saints are declaring the same thing. not one!! millions. how is it possoble not to believe them when all of them are telling the same thing. if someone come to you and say that your house is burning, maybe you won’t believe him. if also the second one comes and tells you it, again you may not belive him, but if the third one comes and tells you the same thing i guess you will believe it. then! how do you think that hundred thousonds(!, not one, two, or three) of prophets came to us and told the same thing. it is wierd not to believe them.
You can’t just group everyone as “believers” and “non-believers”.
The millions of people you refer to did not believe “the same thing”.
They believed countless different (and often contradictory) ideas.
Thousands of different gods throughout history.
Legends and stories were passed down and adapted to suit newer cultures.
The story of jesus for example is a blatant copy of various other “prophets” from older civilisations, like Horus and Mithra.
These tales were very commonplace and very important in those early cultures.
There was always a hero-figure who had his god(s) of choice on his side, usually even as his own father. They could perform miracles, are resurrected, ascend to heaven, etc etc.
It’s not a coincidence, labinot, that this pattern is repeated. It’s also certainly not proof that they’re onto something either. Just because an idiot repeats what another idiot said before him doesn’t make the message any more true.
There was once a time when slavery was accepted. It is even endorsed by the bible.
Just because it was normal for slavery to be accepted didn’t make it morally correct.
Muslims generally agree that mohammed (pube) was a perfect example to set your moral code by, yet he married and fucked several children in his 50s and 60s. Yeah, perfect.
People used to think that the world is flat and in the centre of the universe, and that the sun orbited around us. Well this “fact” was accepted by everybody and when Galileo suggested otherwise, he was branded a heretic and imprisoned for life.
You need to grow out of your herd mentality and stop trying so hard to follow the other sheep.
It’s called bandwagon syndrome.
Someone likes an idea, so they start spreading it as well, and then more people like it and spread it, and then more and more and more.
Also, “one million people can’t be wrong” is a logical fallacy, because one million people can most definitely be wrong.
labinot makes me sick to my stomach as he/she accuses a jewish conspiracy of being responsible for acts of muslim terrorism. pee on you.
we are not terrorism you just do not know our religion founded on the principles of forgiveness and alnaic with the other and peace you hate me because of your ignorance the only truth about muslims that thier mercy and beauty and goodness and humanity
muslim girl @ Well at least we dont teach our 10 yer olds to decapitate a human and blow up the other 20 people any way fuck religion fuck the muslims and fuck u to
IF YOU believe that the formation and existence of things, creatures, occurs through the coming together of the causes in the universe, you believe this impossibility:
Imagine there is a pharmacy in which there are hundreds of jars and phials filled with quite different substances. A living potion and a living remedy are required from those medicaments. So we go to the pharmacy and see that they are to be found there in abundance, yet in great variety. We examine each of the potions and see that the ingredients have been taken in varying but precise amounts from each of the jars and phials, one ounce from this, three from that, seven from the next, and so on. If one ounce too much or too little had been taken, the potion would not have been living and would not have displayed its special quality. Next, we study the living remedy. Again, the ingredients have been taken from the jars in a particular measure so that if even the most minute amount too much or too little had been taken, the remedy would have lost its special property.
Now, although the jars number more than fifty, the ingredients have been taken from each according to measures and amounts that are all different. Is it in any way possible or probable that the phials and jars should have been knocked over by a strange coincidence or sudden gust of wind and that only the precise, though different, amounts that had been taken from each of them should have been spilt, and then arranged themselves and come together to form the remedy? Is there anything more superstitious, impossible and absurd than this? If an ass could speak, it would say: “I cannot accept this idea!”, and would gallop off!
Similarly, each living being may be likened to the living potion in the comparison, and each plant to a living remedy. For they are composed of matter that has been taken in most precise measure from truly numerous and truly various substances. If these are attributed to causes and the elements and it is claimed, “Causes created these,” it is unreasonable, impossible and absurd a hundred times over, just as it was to claim that the potion in the pharmacy came into existence through the phials being knocked over; by accident.
I n S h o r t : The vital substances in this vast pharmacy of the universe, which are measured on the scales of Divine Determining and Decree of the All-Wise and Pre-Eternal One, can only come into existence through a boundless wisdom, infinite knowledge and all-encompassing will. The unfortunate person who declares that they are the work of blind, deaf and innumerable elements and causes and natures, which stream like floods; and the foolish, delirious person who claims that that wondrous remedy poured itself out when the phials were knocked over and formed itself, are certainly unreasonable and nonsensical. Indeed, such denial and unbelief is a senseless absurdity.
Ah yes, the old “irreducible complexity” argument of Michael Behe; it’s been shown numerous times to be wrong.
lololololololololol
In fact it’s even funnier that he copied and pasted this from somewhere else. He probably doesn’t understand it himself.
tHEIStS FAil aT SPaLING anD GrMMAR!1!11!1!!
if you believe that God didn’t create universe, then what do you believe. tell me how did the earth came to this position with its speheres, how could it know spontaneusly that form that has it is needed, because if it had an other position or other properties, there won’t be life here, then how did we come to existence. there must be a way. tell me?
Why are there billions of planets that aren’t in the “perfect” position and lacking those other properties? With billions of these chunks of rock forming in the universe, one or two are bound to wind up in the right place, and of those few in the right place, some are sure to land themselves in orbit around the right kind of star, and of those as well, a small few are certain to be capable or harboring life, such as our own. Just because you don’t understand something, or know a definitive answer to a question you want to ask, doesn’t mean you can default to “god did it”.
I’m sure you’ve asked this exact same question before.
Seek out a National Geographic documentary called “Journey to the Edge of the Universe” for a detailed description of the formation of planets and stars.
They break it down so that even a child could understand so you might actually be able to grasp it at last!
I’ve just checked, you can see it on youtube. There’s 12 parts to it of around 10 minutes each. Let us know what you think of it.
I will not insult Ward offended because I have learned in my religion (the morals)so cAN YOU TELL ME GOGOL Why are you attacking me like this? 1 FROM 4 PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD ARE MUSLIMS your media gived you a so bad image about us (retarded ,animals ,Aggressive with no mind) may be this in iran or Afghanistan but you cant say muslims at all and islam proved that in quran
it is so hard to live without belief to God. i hope you get the right way. i would rather die than living without belief to God. i can’t stand without islam. i feel pitty for you. you, muslim girl, be patiened from their offends. Ebu Jahil offended our Prophet a lot, but our prophet never offended Ebu Jahil. no one can’t believe without God’s wish. If God wanted all the world would belive immediately. i believe to God, the Creator of skies and earth. You’re still doubting to the Creator of skies and earth?!
My God makes the sun everyday to rise on east and sunset at west. You, do the oposite if you can?
My Lord took our prophet up to seven skies, you, pass only the universe if you can.
My Lord made life on earth, you make life on Mars, if you can.
My Lord is mercifull, he banned violent to Himself, he loves us(people). Weirdly unbelivers, even don’t believe Him.
Elhomdulilah, Thanks to God, insallah we are Muslims.
There’s really nothing left to say to you labinot.
Enjoy your life, death and whatever afterlife you’re hoping for.
> i would rather die than living without belief to God. i can’t stand without islam. i feel pitty for you
Well that about sums it up, you cannot be reasoned with; you are lost.
I pity you.
Actually, they have shown that life once existed on Mars, and there is deep speculation that life on Earth was originally from a chunk of Mars that broke off and crashed into the Earth before Mars became too barren to allow life to continue.
labinot, give me your email and i will convert you away from your pathetic religion
thanks labinot , i am egyptian girl and i am 14 years old after 2 days i will be 15 you are honest and true believer in allah and In permission of Allah you Will enter Paradise and they may do not believe in allah becouse if you believe in allah you will feel ease and comfort and peace inside you and You do not expect this feeling, but because Islam satisfy your heart and convince your mind
Muslim girl, you’re simply too young, gullible and ignorant to have a credible opinion.
It could be several years before you see through the lie of islam.
The destruction it causes is already plain for the world to see.
If you want satisfaction for your heart, there are other and better ways than to follow a religion.
Religions lay out their laws and punishments, and these laws don’t quite adapt with modern civilisation.
Enough is enough. We cannot expect a bright future for the world unless religions lose their power and control over us.
Out of our governments, school curriculums and everyday lives.
Muslim Girl…
Let Me Ask You a Few Questions:
Why Do You Believe In Your Religion?
If you Weren’t Born a Muslim, Would You Convert To Islam?
(focus on the 1st one)
hi hal Do you think I am too young? funny what you do not know that the new generation is too smart and Less obedience and When you said ways better than to follow a religion why? why you saw religion like laws and punishments? and i luv modern civilisation but its modern means for now and after short time it will change maybe for better and religion is the better it change us for the best the religion was founded before modern civilisation for all times so now you are the young one you want to run away from responsibility which better ways that i will follow?(eating ,sports, studying my favorite subjects, sing and dance) what else, i do it all and how old are you?
ok
Neutral Views my answer is becouse of the wisdom of quran i believe it more than my eyes nobody can say any thing like quran words never No matter how this person of science and knowledge quran tell you the truth about past now and future my dream job to be a Scientist so read this proofs if you want:
Proofs for Allaah’s Existance
[ We will show them Our Signs in the universe, and in their ownselves, until it
becomes manifest to them that this {the Quraan} is the truth. Is it not sufficient
in regard to your Lord that He is a Witness over all things?] Soorat Fussilat
{41:53}
[ And say {to these polytheists and pagans etc.}: "All the praises and thanks be to
Allaah. He will show you His aayaat {signs, in yourselves, and in the universe or
punishments, etc.}, and you shall recognise them. And your Lord is not unaware
of what you do."] Soorat An Naml {27:93}
[ And He shows you His Signs and Proofs {of His Oneness in all the above
mentioned things}. Which, then of the Signs and Proofs of Allaah do you deny?]
Soorat Ghaafir {40:81}
[ Verily! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and in the alternation of
night and day, and the ships which sail through the sea with that which is of use
to mankind, and the water which Allaah sends down from the sky and makes the
earth alive therewith after its death, and the moving {living} creatures of all
kinds that He has scattered therein, and in the veering of winds and clouds which
are held between the sky and the earth, are indeed aayaat {proofs, evidences,
lessons, signs, revelation, etc.} for people of understanding.] Soorat Al Baqarah
{2:164}
[ Verily! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and in the alternation of
night and day, there are indeed signs for men of understanding.] Soorat Aal
‘Imraan {3:190}
[ It is He Who sends down water from the sky, and with it We bring forth
vegetation of all kinds, and out of it We bring forth green stalks, from which We
bring forth thick clustered grain. And out of the date-palm and its spathe come
forth clusters of dates hanging low and near, and gardens of grapes, olives and
pomegranates, each similar {in kind} yet different {in variety and taste}. Look at
their fruits when they begin to bear, and the ripeness thereof. Verily! In these
things there are signs for people who believe.] Soorat Al An’aam {6:99}
[ He it is Who has appointed for you the night that you may rest therein, and the
day to make things visible {to you}. Verily, in this are aayaat {proofs, evidences,
lessons, signs, revelation, etc.} for a people who listen {i.e. those who think
deeply}.] Soorat Younus {10:67}
[ And it is He Who spread out the earth, and placed therein firm mountains and
rivers and of every kind of fruits He made Zawjain Ithnain {two in pairs - may
mean two kinds or it may mean: of two sorts, e.g. black and white, sweet and
sour, small and big, etc.} He brings the night as a cover over the day. Verily, in
these things, there are aayaat {proofs, evidences, lessons, signs, revelation, etc.}
for people who reflect.] Soorat Ar Ra’d {13:3}
[ And in the earth are neighbouring tracts, and gardens of vines, and green crops
{fields etc.}, and date-palms, growing out two or three from a single stem root, or
otherwise {one stem root for every palm}, watered with the same water, yet some
of them We make more excellent than others to eat. Verily, in these things, there
are aayaat {proofs, evidences, lessons, signs, revelation, etc.} for the people who
understand.] Soorat Ar Ra’d {13:4}
[ Allaah is He Who has created the heavens and the earth and sends down water
from the sky, and thereby brought forth fruits as provision for you; and He has
made the ships to be of service to you, that they may sail through the sea by His
Command; and He has made rivers {also} to be of service to you.] Soorat
Ibraheem {14:32}
[ And He has made the sun and the moon, both constantly pursuing their
courses, to be of service to you; and He has made the night and the day, to be of
service to you.] Soorat Ibraheem {14:33}
[ He has created the heavens and the earth with truth. High be He Exalted above
all they associate as partners with Him. He has created man from Nutfah {mixed
drops of male and female sexual discharges} then behold, this same {man}
becomes an open opponent.] Soorat An Nahl {16:3-4}
[ And the cattle, He has created them for you; in them there is warmth {warm
clothing}, and numerous benefits, and of them you eat. And wherein is beauty for
you, when you bring them home in the evening, and as you lead them forth to
pasture in the morning.] Soorat An Nahl {16:5-6}
[ And they carry your loads to a land that you could not reach except with great
trouble to yourselves. Truly, your Lord is full of Kindness, Most Merciful. And
{He has created} horses, mules and donkeys, for you to ride and as an
adornment. And He creates {other} things of which you have no knowledge.]
Soorat An Nahl {16:7-8}
[ And upon Allaah is the responsibility to explain the Straight Path {i.e. Islamic
Monotheism for mankind i.e. to show them legal and illegal, good and evil things,
etc. so, whosoever accepts the guidance, it will be for his own benefit and
whosoever goes astray, it will be for his own destruction}, but there are ways that
turn aside {such as Paganism, Judaism, Christianity, etc.}. And had He willed,
He would have guided you all {mankind}.] Soorat An Nahl {16:9}
[ He it is Who sends down water from the sky; from it you drink and from it
{grows} the vegetation on which you send your cattle to pasture; With it He
causes to grow for you the crops, the olives, the date-palms, the grapes, and every kind of fruit. Verily! In this is indeed an evident proof and a manifest sign for people who give thought.] Soorat An Nahl {16:10-11} this is some but not all best wishes
If you want to be a scientist then you should first look up the meaning of the word proof.
All the evidence for god’s existence that you listed above comes from a single source, the qur’an. That makes it much easier to dismiss your argument in its entirety.
You’re not offering anything new to the table. If you’re 15 then your parents’ beliefs will have a firm grip on you and your religion will be drilled into you daily at school.
You are just a blind lamb being led by your insane shepherd along a path that remains in the 7th century.
Only a pawn who’s been told what to think would believe that the qur’an explains past, present and future.
Look at your last quote from surat al nahl. Riding mules and donkeys. Eating dates and pomegranates. Converting jews and pagans.
All of this shit is most relevant to (yep you guessed it) 7th-8th century nomads and herdsmen from the Leventine. Not the whole world from any time period.
Your quote from surat ibrahim describes the sun and moon (and rain) from a grounded, earthly perspective. It does not say that earth is a giant ball of rock & iron, hurtling around the sun in a near perfect orbit, or that the moon is held around earth by a gravitational pull. No, it describes them as decorations attached to the carpet that is the sky.
Why? Because it was written by men at an age that had little understanding of the workings of the universe.
OMFG!
hahaha muslim girl
hahahaahahahah!!!
what the hell?
read what you just wrote.
you believe in your god because he wrote a book which he mentioned himself making shit over and over?!
what wisdom you idiot?
anyone could have wrote that.
seriously read what you just wrote.
did you know here in the philippines there are many terrorist whom they call themselves as “Moro Islamic Lebaration front” or simply MILF. they are the most violent people ive ever heard of… and why do you think they are acting like that???? they are damn stupid ignorant muslims!!!
the 2nd question sure sure sure sure
Why are you all still bothering? Have more success trying to break down a wall by smashing your head against it.
my email is
who wanted it can take it.
yes because, you see from a small window that is earth, but God seas from the biggest window, sees all the universe. all the universe is on God’s hand. that’s why earth and moon is only a tiny or a nothing to God’s side.
hal you can not talk like that you do not know any thing about me and my parents in work all the day my mother is lawyer i see her maybe from half to 1 hour every day and my father is University professor i only see him 20 minutes in the morning and ‘You are just a blind lamb being led by your insane shepherd along a path that remains in the 7th century’ you really think that you think me a lamb and blind this is humiliation you still have the bad image about us (retarded ,animals ,Aggressive with no mind) and yes it explains past, present and future اللَّهُ لا إِلَهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ الْحَيُّ الْقَيُّومُ لا تَأْخُذُهُ سِنَةٌ وَلا نَوْمٌ لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الأَرْضِ مَنْ ذَا الَّذِي يَشْفَعُ عِنْدَهُ إِلاَّ بِإِذْنِهِ يَعْلَمُ مَا بَيْنَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَمَا خَلْفَهُمْ وَلا يُحِيطُونَ بِشَيْءٍ مِنْ عِلْمِهِ إِلاَّ بِمَا شَاءَ وَسِعَ كُرْسِيُّهُ السَّمَوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ وَلا يَئُودُهُ حِفْظُهُمَا وَهُوَ الْعَلِيُّ الْعَظِيمُ (255)
There is no god but He, the Living, the Eternal does not slumber nor sleep overtakes him in heaven and on earth, Who can intercede with Him except with His permission knows what is before them and behind them, but they can some of his knowledge only God can dare the heavens and the earth or Iiodh preserve the Almighty (255)
لا إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّينِ قَدْ تَبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنْ الغَيِّ فَمَنْ يَكْفُرْ بِالطَّاغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِنْ بِاللَّهِ فَقَدْ اسْتَمْسَكَ بِالْعُرْوَةِ الْوُثْقَى لا انفِصَامَ لَهَا وَاللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ( 256) There is no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break and Allah is Hearing, Knowing
اللَّهُ وَلِيُّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا يُخْرِجُهُمْ مِنْ الظُّلُمَاتِ إِلَى النُّورِ وَالَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَوْلِيَاؤُهُمْ الطَّاغُوتُ يُخْرِجُونَهُمْ مِنْ النُّورِ إِلَى الظُّلُمَاتِ أُوْلَئِكَ أَصْحَابُ النَّارِ هُمْ فِيهَا خَالِدُونَ 257 (Those who disbelieve them out of darkness into the light and those who disbelieve masters Leviathan them out from light into darkness, those owners of the Fire they will abide therein (257 and i took this from my quran book and translate it in google translate its better than world lingo and the Previous was from turn to islam site and i want to explain something i will not let any of you to humiliate me or my religion and if you christian i want to tell you that christians in egypt are nice and gentle they never said word about islam i have 4 christians Friends so i think you have to say sorry and happy birth day and Neutral Views you are not
I think the word you’re looking for is insult not humiliate.
You don’t have a choice in the matter anyway.
Anyone who posts on a public forum like this should expect to have their writing scrutinised.
If you have a viewpoint, there will always be a counter-argument.
If you make your views public then don’t be surprised when others flag you up for it.
Your firm belief in islam is of course your business.
My opinion happens to go against yours so either one of us is wrong or we are both wrong.
All I ask is that you look at your standards for proof and don’t lie to yourself.
You say I don’t know you or your parents. I don’t need to know you.
What you’ve written is enough to gauge roughly where you stand.
You believe that the qur’an is the word of god, therefore it MUST be correct without a single fault. Right?
You were a bit trigger-happy with your copy/paste of pointless quotes so I’ll go ahead and assume you believe it wholeheartedly regardless of whether you even understand it.
The point is that no matter how often you read the qur’an, you will never dare question it too deeply.
Even if you strive to understand it fully, when you come upon a part that defies logic and reason, that logic is overruled and overridden by the qur’an.
This fear of scrutiny is the reason so many muslims will blindly believe anything they are told as long as it’s got allah’s brand name on it.
Also, I do not have a stereotypical image in my head of how ALL muslims behave, as you keep saying. I was raised a muslim. I know many muslims, friends and family alike. I read up about islam and christianity (and other religions to a lesser degree) so it’s safe to say that I formed my own opinion willingly and not out of ignorance or to “run away from responsibility”.
I’ve debated many people of various religions and you all use the same set of old excuses.
Here is my challenge to you: Ignore, for the moment, all the hadith and the qur’an since they are certainly biased and not corroborated in history to the detail you would like to believe. Now produce evidence for allah’s existence.
You have at your disposal all the faculties of science and philosophy and a wealth of information via the internet.
Have fun with that and happy birthday.
God bless you Muslim girl
I lol’d.
(All I ask is that you look at your standards for proof and don’t lie to yourself. Your firm belief in islam is of course your business) What does it mean this? you want proof i see you want something to touch you want Miracle Splitting of the moon أنشقاق القمر Credit: Apollo 10, NASA file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Casper/Desktop/rille_apollo10.jpg اقْتَرَبَتِ السَّاعَةُ وَانشَقَّ الْقَمَرُ{1} وَإِن يَرَوْا آيَةً يُعْرِضُوا وَيَقُولُوا سِحْرٌ مُّسْتَمِرٌّ{2} وَكَذَّبُوا وَاتَّبَعُوا أَهْوَاءهُمْ وَكُلُّ أَمْرٍ مُّسْتَقِرٌّ{3} وَلَقَدْ جَاءهُم مِّنَ الْأَنبَاء مَا فِيهِ مُزْدَجَرٌ{4} حِكْمَةٌ بَالِغَةٌ فَمَا تُغْنِ النُّذُرُ{5} ~§§ سورة القمر §§~
Time approached and the moon split (1), although seen any offer and say the magic constant (2) and lied, and yet everything is stable (3) And there came the news of which is Mzadgr (4) great wisdom but warnings avail (5) ~ § § Recitation § § ~ {سَنُرِيهِمْ آيَاتِنَا فِي الْآفَاقِ وَفِي أَنفُسِهِمْ حَتَّى يَتَبَيَّنَ لَهُمْ أَنَّهُ الْحَقُّ أَوَلَمْ يَكْفِ بِرَبِّكَ أَنَّهُ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ شَهِيدٌ } فصلت53
(We shall show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes manifest to them that the right to be manifest unto all that separated the martyr) 53 do you believe that from 1400 years a man went to the moon and back to make a religion its god words quran tell us about the future and at slaughter if you said in the name of allah the animal will protects against disease and viruses and Kaaba Center of the Earth you know that the scientists at nasa took these two pictures from one of their space satellites its clearly evident that .while all of the world appears dark and gloomy ,the kabba and Mosque of the Prophet looks like a shinning star file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Casper/Desktop/MakkaAndMadina.jpg file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Casper/Desktop/Hrmen054.gif (This fear of scrutiny is the reason so many muslims will blindly believe anything they are told as long as it’s got allah’s brand name on it) because of his Countless blessings and the greatest blessing is Islam have fun with that too
The Kaaba and its Miracles its video in you tube and Google earth Islamic miracle and Signs of Judgment Day you know that the number between mekka and south pole is 12348,32km and between mekka and north pole is 07631,68km then the mekka city is equal distance between the both poles means 12348,32 k/7631,68 equal 1,6180 which represent and the distance between mekka and the proportional east of longtion to the west of longtion is 1,6180 means its the main source of Gravity in our planet and as billions of people said there is not universe without god and people who say that muslims are terrorism they know completely that they are not if you really read about islam you will see that word of terrorism is represent politics and islam history is clean and fantastic islam is fair religion when i said i believe quran more than my eyes this was for huge reason now Here is my challenge to you find word in islam is not fair best wishes
Well that was a whole lot of nothing. How do you manage to write so many words and yes say so little?
What a pile of shit. Sorry, but this is UTTER BULLSHIT. Where do you get this crap?
Honestly, do you enjoy making shit up, or are you just a liar?
Ian, clean your vocabulory firstly, because you are not talking with a daily girl. Respect other’s rights. She is 14 and respects and doesn’t scold you.
Fuck yourself. I don’t bow to your demands. If someone makes up a bunch of bullshit and passes it as fact, I’m going to tell them so.
Get your head out of your ass.
As for “respecting” other people’s rights… how about your respect mine? I have every right to speak my mind and use whatever language I want, and be critical of anyone I want. She doesn’t scold me because I’m not making up a bunch of shit.
I’m sick of people touting their “right not to be offended”; who the fuck ever said you have a right not to have someone tell you something offensive?
Here’s me asserting my rights, Islam is a sham, Islam is wrong, Islam is bullshit.
You do realize that in any Islamic state you would be arrested for saying
the above for the crime of blasphemy? You do realize that in some Islamic
countries your sentence would be DEATH (Pakistan, Saudi Barbaria and Iran)?
The Muslim Brotherhood is working towards Sharia Law for all of us, whether
we want it or not, all over the world.
Personally, I think it’s a big mistake to lump all religions in with
Islam because there are differences in ideology between different faiths.
Jesus and Buddha never advocated a genocide of unbelievers and neither of them ever asked their followers to kill people who didn’t buy into their respective ideologies, unlike Muhammad, PBUH, who did (and people were slaughtered en mass
because of it).
@Kufar
The catholic church gave heavy support to the nazi movement in the 1930s. The crusades were some of the bloodiest wars in slightly more ancient history, and quite frankly, they’re all the same thing, derived from each other as well as older mythologies still. It doesn’t only matter what they’ve caused, but what they have the potential to cause.
Dear Kufar,
Iran, Saudi Arabia and all other Islamic states that murder people for being critical of their fairy tales, can like the sweat off my hairy balls.
Shut the fuck up, labinot. Whoever owns a Web site or blog has EVERY right to say whatever he wants, and he has stated clear in the forums that he opposes censorship.
https://irreligion.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=32
She’s 14? Who gives a fuck? She, much like yourself, is coming to a place like IRRELIGION.ORG and telling us that we’re “wrong” for exposing the bullshit of all you muslim assholes. I, myself, will NOT clean my vocabulary, because there is no need to.
You are an ignorant fool, muslim girl.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Equator_and_Prime_Meridian.svg
Here’s a picture of the world with the equator highlighted.
You know, the middle point between the poles?
If you know where Saudi Arabia is, you’ll notice that Mecca is nowhere near the equator.
If you know the history of your religion, you’d know that the Qibla was originally in Jerusalem. It was moved to Mecca because one day, a voice in mohammed’s head told him to pray in a different direction.
And like sheep, everyone with him followed his lead.
All you’ve done is prove your gullibility and quick acceptance of propaganda.
Believing anything spoon-fed to you by your religious peers or your personal zeal.
Go home child and let the adults talk.
fine,you know what you the liar not me , this is wast of time and this is street words not morals , you people do not want to believe or think at all , your words with no logic is the proof of your empty head , i am not angry or sad at all , I have known you now may i sad on you you are lost and you can not find your way you lie in your self not me خَتَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَى قُلُوبِهِمْ وَعَلَى سَمْعِهِمْ وَعَلَى أَبْصَارِهِمْ غِشَاوَةٌ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ (7 The seal of God on their hearts and their ears and their eyes covered and have a grievous chastisement (7 فِي قُلُوبِهِمْ مَرَضٌ فَزَادَهُمْ اللَّهُ مَرَضاً وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ بِمَا كَانُوا يَكْذِبُونَ (10 In Allah has increased their disease and have a grievous punishment because they lie (10 وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ لا تُفْسِدُوا فِي الأَرْضِ قَالُوا إِنَّمَا نَحْنُ مُصْلِحُونَ (11) If they were told not mischief in the earth, they say: We are peacemakers (11) اللَّهُ يَسْتَهْزِئُ بِهِمْ وَيَمُدُّهُمْ فِي طُغْيَانِهِمْ يَعْمَوَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ آمِنُوا كَمَا آمَنَ النَّاسُ قَالُوا أَنُؤْمِنُ كَمَا آمَنَ السُّفَهَاءُ أَلا إِنَّهُمْ هُمْ السُّفَهَاءُ وَلَكِنْ لا يَعْلَمُونَ (13) God mocks them and giving them in their insolence Iamoima said to them: Believe as the people say: Shall we believe as the foolish believe they are not fools, but do not know (13) وَإِذَا لَقُوا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا قَالُوا آمَنَّا وَإِذَا خَلَوْا إِلَى شَيَاطِينِهِمْ قَالُوا إِنَّا مَعَكُمْ إِنَّمَا نَحْنُ مُسْتَهْزِئُونَ (14 If those who believe they safe and if they go apart to their devils I am with you but we are mocking (14 مَثَلُهُمْ كَمَثَلِ الَّذِي اسْتَوْقَدَ نَاراً فَلَمَّا أَضَاءَتْ مَا حَوْلَهُ ذَهَبَ اللَّهُ بِنُورِهِمْ وَتَرَكَهُمْ فِي ظُلُمَاتٍ لا يُبْصِرُونَ (17 Like, who kindled a fire, and when lit up around him Allah taketh away their light and left them in darkness (17 يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ اعْبُدُوا رَبَّكُمْ الَّذِي خَلَقَكُمْ وَالَّذِينَ مِنْ قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ (21 O people, worship your Lord who created you and those before you, that ye may (21 كَيْفَ تَكْفُرُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَكُنتُمْ أَمْوَاتاً فَأَحْيَاكُمْ ثُمَّ يُمِيتُكُمْ ثُمَّ يُحْيِيكُمْ ثُمَّ إِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَ (28) How can you disbelieve in Allah and you were dead Vohyakm then gives you death, and then unto Him ye will return (28) وَلا تَلْبِسُوا الْحَقَّ بِالْبَاطِلِ وَتَكْتُمُوا الْحَقَّ وَأَنْتُمْ تَعْلَمُونَ (42 Confound not truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know (42 وَلَقَدْ أَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ آيَاتٍ بَيِّنَاتٍ وَمَا يَكْفُرُ بِهَا إِلاَّ الْفَاسِقُونَ (99 We have sent down to thee clear tokens, and only miscreants will disbelieve in them (99 وَقَالُوا لَنْ يَدْخُلَ الْجَنَّةَ إِلاَّ مَنْ كَانَ هُوداً أَوْ نَصَارَى تِلْكَ أَمَانِيُّهُمْ قُلْ هَاتُوا بُرْهَانَكُمْ إِنْ كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ (111 They will not enter paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian that wishes Say, Produce your proof if ye are truthful (111 وَاتَّقُوا يَوْماً لا تَجْزِي نَفْسٌ عَنْ نَفْسٍ شَيْئاً وَلا يُقْبَلُ مِنْهَا عَدْلٌ وَلا تَنفَعُهَا شَفَاعَةٌ وَلا هُمْ يُنصَرُونَ (123 And fear a day when no recompense for the same thing does not accept them, nor will intercession be of benefit, nor shall they be helped (123 وَإِلَهُكُمْ إِلَهٌ وَاحِدٌ لا إِلَهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ الرَّحْمَنُ الرَّحِيمُ (163 Your God is one and there is no god but He, the Beneficent, the Merciful (163 ذَلِكَ بِأَنَّ اللَّهَ نَزَّلَ الْكِتَابَ بِالْحَقِّ وَإِنَّ الَّذِينَ اخْتَلَفُوا فِي الْكِتَابِ لَفِي شِقَاقٍ بَعِيدٍ (176) That is because Allah sent down the Book in truth but those who differed in the Book are in a schism Far (176)
لا يُؤَاخِذُكُمْ اللَّهُ بِاللَّغْوِ فِي أَيْمَانِكُمْ وَلَكِنْ يُؤَاخِذُكُمْ بِمَا كَسَبَتْ قُلُوبُكُمْ وَاللَّهُ غَفُورٌ حَلِيمٌ (225) Allah will not call for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but the intention in your hearts have earned and Allah is Forgiving, Clement (225) فَإِنْ لَمْ تَفْعَلُوا فَأْذَنُوا بِحَرْبٍ مِنْ اللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ وَإِنْ تُبْتُمْ فَلَكُمْ رُءُوسُ أَمْوَالِكُمْ لا تَظْلِمُونَ وَلا تُظْلَمُونَ (279) If he does not do take a notice of war from Allah and His Messenger more than your capital sums: Deal not unjustly or (279) لا يُكَلِّفُ اللَّهُ نَفْساً إِلاَّ وُسْعَهَا لَهَا مَا كَسَبَتْ وَعَلَيْهَا مَا اكْتَسَبَتْ رَبَّنَا لا تُؤَاخِذْنَا إِنْ نَسِينَا أَوْ أَخْطَأْنَا رَبَّنَا وَلا تَحْمِلْ عَلَيْنَا إِصْراً كَمَا حَمَلْتَهُ عَلَى الَّذِينَ مِنْ قَبْلِنَا رَبَّنَا وَلا تُحَمِّلْنَا مَا لا طَاقَةَ لَنَا بِهِ وَاعْفُ عَنَّا وَاغْفِرْ لَنَا وَارْحَمْنَا أَنْتَ مَوْلانَا فَانصُرْنَا عَلَى الْقَوْمِ الْكَافِرِينَ (286 It does not cost the breath of God can not do what they earned and they gained a God does not punish us if we forget or fall of our Lord does not carry us Thou also campaigned on those before us our Lord, nor us what we can not afford it and effectively for us and forgive us and have mercy on you Maulana Vanasrna the disbelievers ( 286
You are a hypocrite.
I’m not gonna keep repeating myself so instead, I’ll direct you up the page to an older rant. It’s post #117 at the moment but that could change.
ok hal , ignorant fool me!! you who said via internet and i gave you the source of info so i advice you to watch your language and i asked you before about your age i am sure you are 17 or less who know?
Why would him being 17 (if he even was) make him any less reliable? Especially considering you say that you’re 14.
your comment was in mekka only means you believe the result of it good i mean internet info can not be right all the time
Does it mean I believe the result (rest?) of it?
No it does not. You made that connection all by yourself.
As for my age, you’re way off. It’s inconsequential anyway.
internet info cannot be correct all the time, no. Your book can’t be either.
Fuck off, kid. You have nothing on us.
how do you believe in these superstition that there is no god ya.
FUCKING LOL’D SO FUCKING HARD!!
Oh my goodness this has to be the funniest post on any message board ever.
This is going in the fucking record books, shit.
Absolutely brilliant, you can’t make stories like this up, as if this is legit.
Fuckin’ eh, my day is complete.
Hell yeah! We’re so superstitious! Oh, look: a theist! That believer is SO rational and non-superstitious, unlike us who choose NOT to believe in Yahweh/Allah! We are superstitious because we choose to believe in evolution and the big bang theory. Man, someone sacrifice us at rituals for imposing our archaic satanic beliefs! Our “seeds of evil” must not reproduce, because we are so superstitious.
i love you allah and you mohammad
If you love them, why don’t you marry them already, you homo?
kiss my ass kristens fack you andre
i wannna call the police
Call ‘em.
What do you plan to tell them?
“Hi, Operator? My name is Hasib. Can you please send a few police cars to Andre’s house? Well, the reason why I ask is because he says that my God Allah doesn’t exist, and it infuriates me! Because I have no evidence for my God’s existence, other than quoting my shitty Koran, I want him to SUFFER for not agreeing with me! Well, at least he agrees with me that blue is the best color in the world, and orange is the worst! See, THAT is agreeable. What ISN’T agreeable is that he chooses not to agree with me when it comes to believing in God! He hurts my feelings, so the only way to make him shut up is to handcuff him and press charges. I hope he gets charged for being a BIG ATHEIST MEANIE!!! Thank you! Hurry, get those cars here fast! Andre’s got a pair of scissors in his hand and he’s going to destroy my Koran! HURRY!!!”