wat no no no no no no u r sooooo dumb to say that
islam is beautiful in everyway god is one so respect that
u dont see A single muslim cussing out ur religion okay den
all im asking 4 u 2 do is not 2 tlk bad bout allah
if ur not gonna say something good dont say it at all
Why can’t he? This site is all for free speech. You also have the right to say that atheists are “evil” and “immoral” people (even though that’s far from the truth, compared to the brutal savagery carried out in the name of your God throughout history).
muslim .FROM IRAN Saturday August 14th, 2010 @ 6:13am
TO. Writer and reader
SORRY FOR YOU .YOU DONT KNOW ENYTHING ABOUT ISLAM.
DONT KNOW ABOUT .MOHAMMAD. THE LAST MASNGER.
Because illiteracy , YOU DONT KNOW HISTORY
ALL THE ISLAM IS Kindness .
YOU ARE LAIR AND YOU DON believe GOD.
muslim .FROM IRAN :TO. Writer and reader
SORRY FOR YOU .YOU DONT KNOW ENYTHING ABOUT ISLAM.
DONT KNOW ABOUT .MOHAMMAD. THE LAST MASNGER.
Because illiteracy , YOU DONT KNOW HISTORY
ALL THE ISLAM IS Kindness .
YOU ARE LAIR AND YOU DON believe GOD.
muslim you are bending so much for what. you must direct the right direction to face allah or a dead bloack. please you are educated. dont listen to your parents they are dead and are in hell. killing others is not what you should be doing. come and know the true GOD
So Ian (pbuh), how would you like to have me set you up with my niece?
She’s only 6 so you might need to wait a couple of years.
Then we can go behead a few unbelievers and rip down some idols.
I invited Gabriel and Iblis but they haven’t got back to me yet.
Abdul Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 2:28pm
this is poroof that atheists are religion… they WORSHIP the devil!!!
Hal Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 5:54pm
No abdul, this is proof that you have no sense of humour.
bismela Monday August 16th, 2010 @ 1:31pm
shut up you idiot ..
you mindless idiot ..
wht do you get out of this and fighting nuthing ..
so wht do it ?
islam is peacefull islam is not violent some people talk too much about islam without knowing anything about it except what they hear or see in the media dont beleive evreything the media say if you was a christian(Religious christian) you would be angry if someone made cartoons that is insalting to jesus so we have the right to be angry and the people who did this must be punished
kristy :YOU KNOW IT IS THAT COMMENT AND THE IGGNORANCE YOU ARE SHOWING IN THAT COMMENT THAT KEEPS THE HATE OF ALL RELIGIONS AND HATE IN GENERAL GOING GOD FORGIVE YOUR SOUL (ATIF SALAM ALIKUM AND ALLAH KEEP YOU IN PEACE ALWAYS MY DEAR FRIEND INSHALLAH )AND I WILL SAY THIS ALSO I WAS BORN AMERICAN AND I WAS BORN CHRISTIAN BUT I AM NOW MUSLIM AND IF CHRISTIANS STUDYED THE BIBLE AND THE TORAH AS THEY SAY THEY DO THEY WOULD SEE THAT YES MOHAMMED(PBUH) IS THE LAST PROFIT IN THE BOOK OF SONG OF Solomon
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/T2RFSKPNSNML1F5FN
study and the place judgement where it is due it is not the fault of yourself but the fault of your fathers and there fathers that you have gone astray blessing to all and peace be with you
I suppose members of the peaceful religions are supposed to yell and kill others, and attempt to enforce laws which permit raping women, stoning them, etc. and then expect us to respect them after they’ve yelled and killed the unbelievers right?
you cant reach to anywhere with this islam-hating.
let me explain why islam is religion of the kind.
because many christian country went to africa and stole their everything and took them to their own country. when their people were being more rich african was dying because of poorness.(france,spain,england,usa,netherland,soviet union,belgium,austrialia,yugoslavia,denmark,portugal) but its not common to say that christians are devil for muslims. cause we know this religion is send by god too. and people make mistakes.
then now do you think islam is the worst thing on the world because of bad behavours of iran? or some terrorists using islam(read care i dont say muslim terrorist get the difference) to own some men who is ready to give his life to him?
you think this way cuz some rich media bosses want you to think this way. everybody knows what is happening in middle-east. but if you ask the question who are the monsters? the answer is going to be false.
guys to not believe doesnt mean to attack. if you dont believe just shut up and live your life in your way. do i talk about the crimes and inhuman bad happens which is usually made by the people who doesnt believe any god?
guys to not believe doesnt mean to attack. if you dont believe just shut up and live your life in your way. do i talk about the crimes and inhuman bad happens which is usually made by the people who doesnt believe any god?
if you want respect you have to show respect.
Why should I shut up? Do you or any other religious douchebag shut up about their religion? Ihave to put up with religious people all the time. As a result, they’re now going to have to put up with me.
Andre Thursday August 19th, 2010 @ 2:42pm
ilhan: Yes, nonbelieves still commit violent acts, and some have committed atrocities and attempted genocides, but they didn’t commit them in the name of atheism/antitheism/agnosticism or anything like that. Pol Pot is said to have been an atheist, but he didn’t do any of what he did because he didn’t believe in god. The famous crusaders, however, did what they did and killed hundreds of thousands in the name of their god. More recently, islamic terrorists have committed acts of terror in the name of their god, allah. Also recently, the jews have expelled palestinians from their homes and their land because their holy book tells them that land is their holy land, and somehow they have the right to kick people out who were living there relatively peacefully.
blackseptember Friday August 20th, 2010 @ 10:13pm
The crusaders defended themselves from Jihad dumbass. Where did you learn your history? A U.S. public school?
blackseptember Friday August 20th, 2010 @ 10:15pm
And I wouldn’t call the genocidal war that the Muslim world has been waging against Israel, “relatively peaceful.”
Andre Friday August 20th, 2010 @ 10:38pm
Crusades weren’t defensive at all.
I didn’t say Israel was peaceful.
By all means reread what I said, and also learn the definition of “relatively”.
No Longer Neutral Views Thursday August 19th, 2010 @ 12:27am
ilhan :if you dont believe just shut up and live your life in your way. do i talk about the crimes and inhuman bad happens which is usually made by the people who doesnt believe any god?
I advise you not to try to control what others do because you will fail every time.
If you tell us not to criticise your religion then we will do it more because we can.
If you don’t like what you read then fuck off or deal with it.
You don’t talk about the crimes and inhumanity of non-believers because the crimes of believers outweigh them and you know it.
Finally, who said we want your respect? I wipe my ass with your approval.
Allahu asghar bitch.
you never try to hear about my Islam’ Its not like You think, Islam means peace ,We know how to live in this world, Please Dont Make A Fuck with Us, Ok, Damn!!
I don’t care about a particular offshoot of islam. As a whole, it’s an irrational belief with lots of terror under it’s belt. As is christianity and many (if not all) other religions.
فَذَكِّرْ إِنَّمَا أَنْتَ مُذَكِّرٌ (21) لَسْتَ عَلَيْهِمْ بِمُسَيْطِرٍ (22) you know i am not surprised of your ways people because you are afraid of god you know that insults show that you have very weak personality i do not need to say uncut words or anything because i am muslim i believe in god and the judgment day you people do not need me you need minds your ignorance about my religion make you say your hhhhhhhhhh as you want it because you have no voice i hear only god voice his miracle the holy quran god forgive people with his mercy about every thing expect one thing to not believe in him i 1000% sure from my words because how to know my religion and not to believe it to Deny my god your god who created us and every thing is not good at all in my Opinion islam make people better it did many cool stuff like islam Spread with his goodness his mercy his morals not with sward or blood or Force islam is the window of comfort life islam teach people to respect the other no matter his skin Color or his believes or anything else islam is fair religion omg thank allah for every thing there is no god except allah
Same. I’ve been waiting for them to kick my ass for 3 years! Oh, but wait, they’re probably too busy, which cancels out the “omnipotent deity” argument.
I would be willing to wager that not only are we afraid of this nonexistent god that you speak so highly of, but that we also are afraid of the boogeymen living under our beds, and also afraid of Santa Claus refusing to deliver us presents each Christmas Eve.
Take your god and child-abusing prophet, and shove them up your ass, you ungrateful scum.
i hate the cold wars and Conflicts and fights you are talking in a messy low way i hate to say that but you attack your self, islam is islam no matter what you did or what you said unbeliever is normal word but Stupid is different
imho Patience is art and Carry plague is okay but your Illusions is Are not comparable and Unconvincing, i respect you but you not so when i said messy ,low way i meant at least to talk without dirty words if this is conversation i should say where is the laws i can not sue you on internet site because of cruel word i think i cleared my point and if my words hurt your feeling i apologize but who will apologize to me? and i am not think that people make mistakes when they ask about their rights life is so short
muslim girl :your Illusions is Are not comparable and Unconvincing
Well how exactly do you expect a couple of pages of comments to compete with your 15 years of indoctrination? You’re brainwashed beyond redemption and always will be.
muslim girl :when i said messy ,low way i meant at least to talk without dirty words if this is conversation i should say where is the laws i can not sue you on internet site because of cruel word i think i cleared my point and if my words hurt your feeling i apologize but who will apologize to me?
You did not and cannot hurt our feelings because your tripe is meaningless.
If your feelings have been hurt then let that be a lesson to you.
You will get no concessions here so if you can’t handle “street talk” then get off the street and get back into your bubble of ignorance.
Besides, shouldn’t you be a good little muslim and avoid this website until ramadan is over? These pages are full of what you would consider blasphemy.
Then tell your peers to stop blowing themselves up and taking innocents out with them.
There’s nothing more to be said so eat shit and die (after sunset of course).
blowing means fire and killers and Victims ((the play) one of shakespeare tales)hear me carefully muslims have no relation with Terrorists you said tell your peers who?i am sorry i think i did not meet these people yet if my religion mention the word(radical) i am not to be a muslim ,the Terrorists are our enemies they used the word of islam to disappear behind it, islam is the real mean of peace i think you lie you do not know any word about islam ,islam refuse Violence this is my religion
You might not like to call them Muslims but that is exactly how they see themselves.
They believe in the same god, same book and same prophet.
Islam doesn’t just mean peace. It also means submission. In fact it can have many meanings depending on context but you know this since you are egyptian.
As a (true) Muslim (apparently) it is your responsibility to eradicate extremism, not just dismiss the angry masses as misguided and not real Muslims.
They go to the same mosques and listen to the same sermons as the rest of you.
They form their hateful opinions in groups as well as individually.
They (not always) believe and follow shariah law even though it is medieval and barbaric.
Until you moderates collectively and publicly put down extremism, you will remain under the same banner as the violent among you.
It IS a religious problem, not cultural, since the violence can be seen from as far east as Indonesia, across all Islamic states to Morocco in the west.
religious problems are so much you mean like(ben-laden and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan)bombing of 11/9/2001 which Claimed the lives of 2997 people Muslim scholars called Osama bin Laden in the ground spoilers means he is Nasty killer and someone like him have no religion no heart no mercy he killed people women and children i do not think him pray for god at all some one fake like him he said that he is a muslim he lair but Jewish are more Worse they are more than ugly Monsters they start their Violence in Palestine year 1772 and
Israel was founded after the withdrawal of Britain from
Palestine and handed over a vast territory of the Zionist movement year 1948 and after Implementation of the agreements Rowe DS in 1949 Seized control of the Zionist movement more than 70% of the total area of Palestine
in 1967 Israel occupied the West Bank and Gaza Strip of Palestine, the Golan Heights from the territory of Syria, and Sinai, from the territory of Egypt and like that Israel seized control of the assembly at this stage, feelings of paranoia and racial superiority then War of Attrition led by Egypt and Israel forces that inflicted heavy losses such as the destruction of the port-Harbi (Eilat) and half of Israel’s fleet of marine then The Ramadan War in 1973 then Israel has drawn attention, is concerned with the rape of Jerusalem and the West Bank and Gaza Strip The Zionist have no promises no morals or mercy they are the Thieves of the land they kill to live if we will be fighters we should see the truth fright for the good americans you talk about Terrorists so talk about all Terrorists
Hal Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 9:57pm
muslim girl :religious problems are so much you mean like(ben-laden and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan)bombing of 11/9/2001 which Claimed the lives of 2997 people Muslim scholars called Osama bin Laden in the ground spoilers means he is Nasty killer and someone like him have no religion no heart no mercy he killed people women and children i do not think him pray for god at all some one fake like him he said that he is a muslim he lair
No I am not refering to 9/11. That was a unique event on a far larger scale than what I am talking about.
I know Pakistan is going through a massive tragedy at the moment but before the flooding, there were bombings going on there at a ridiculous rate. Weekly, we were seeing muslims killing other muslims. Why?
Iraq as well. At least they had the semi-justification that they felt they HAD to do it to fight an oppressive, and well armed power (their view).
Palestinians are the pioneers of this method, but they’ve been pushed to breaking point and held there for decades, and they have almost no alternatives.
Then you can find identical incidents happening in most islamic countries at some point or other in recent history up to today.
As for your belief that bin laden wasn’t a real muslim, then you are the polar opposite of correct.
He was as devoted as they come, but he had serious intolerance issues and genuinely believed that what he was doing can be of great benefit to islam.
His actions were politically motivated as much as his belief that god approved of them.
muslim girl :Jewish are more Worse they are more than ugly Monsters they start their Violence in Palestine year 1772 and
Israel was founded after the withdrawal of Britain from
Palestine and handed over a vast territory of the Zionist movement year 1948…
Thanks for the half-arsed history lesson. If you look further back you’ll find that the land has been conquered again and again for several millennia.
Almost always in the name of god. All because your fucking abrahamic religions had to originate there and apply undue spiritual value to a plot of land.
The way you write about jews/israelis (most likely interchangeable to you) shows that your disposition towards them is that of extreme abhorrence.
Fair enough, I can understand why you would think that.
Solidarity for your fellow muslim brethren I guess.
The brutality of the israeli government and military is indeed absolutely fucking disgusting and their attitude towards restraint is symptomatic of psychosis.
They frequently play deep psychological mind games to agitate the Palestinians.
For example, the day before the start of ramadan this year, the water supply was cut off to homes in Gaza to compromise peoples’ attempts at preparing feasts or performing wudu’.
To analogise israeli treatment of Palestinians, imagine a malevolent child torturing a caged animal with a stick.
Islamists, on the other hand, are not government officials. They are usually either commoners-turned-angry-lynch-mob, or delusional and unhinged zealots.
The problem begins earlier than the individual or the group. It begins with the wording and content of the qur’an itself – An outdated book of control that insists it should micromanage every aspect of its readers’ lives.
Ben Sunday September 19th, 2010 @ 1:54pm
This is brilliant. I cannot understand a single thing the frankly illiterate “Muslim girl” has wrriten, but all of Hal’s stuff is legible, rational and comprehensive. These dialogues – when you ignore the frightening insanity, credulity and stupidity of the believers – are just hilarious.
Muslim girl, an Egyptian man who killed his daughters in the USA, for
dating kufirs or kufars or infidles has fled back to Egypt, where the Egyptian government
has refused to cooperate with US authorities in returning the man to the
USA for trial. I guess honor killings are still acceptable in Egypt eh?
The girls were both teenagers.
Here’s the story of the honor killing committed by your Egyptian muslim
man in the USA:
http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/08/06/honor-killing-dad-secretly-taped-girls/
in Egypt honor crimes are Permissible like Husband killed his wife for Infidelity or wife killed her husband for infidelity both of them will Inherit and Adultery its punishment in law is from 3 to 7 years in jail because in the Faculty of law they study (International law and criminal law and civil law, Islamic law (the holy quran and Sunnah))they call this Defending Honor and Self-defense are in law but there is no father kill his children for making a mistake you know people who their children(teens) do this they get angry first and may Slap on the face or kick them out of house or tell them that they Renounce from them may they punish them but i never heard that father killed his daughters for making mistake or if he is a crazy he will kill his family then kill him self and egyptians see that dating is Deviation see americans as Perverts and americans see us retarded this is a culture shock
yes you want me to understand that Humiliation and insults and Lack of respect for religions and deny the truth as normal action ,you the idiot it is not me ,no hope for your attack
You’re being treated with a lack of respect because you’re a gibbering idiot, not because you’re muslim. Had you tried a more diplomatic approach then we could have had a civilised debate, but since you’re immune to reason, we have to resort to just pointing out your idiocy.
A counter-argument would be dismissed by you before you even read it so why waste unnecessary time on an insignificant insect who claims to only hear the voice of god (which, by the way, makes you an insane zealot)?
if (gibbering idiot , insignificant insect ,insane zealot and idiocy )is your tools your Opinion why you call me zealot? ,cant you see your words? if there is any misunderstand i think its from your side to write comments in site like this this is zeal and because you claims to be democracy( Different opinion does not spoil a warm ) my Defense is understandable but your attack is mocks
Democracy means everyone gets to talk. It certainly does not mean everyone gets to say anything they want and not get criticized when they say something stupid.
I’m not usually this sadistic but I am certainly enjoying seeing how personally you’re taking all this. You make yourself an easy target by being so easily offended.
PS gibbering idiot, insignificant insect and insane zealot are just temporary labels I’ve applied to you. Don’t worry, I’ll add to them over time.
Andre :@Kufar
The catholic church gave heavy support to the nazi movement in the 1930s. The crusades were some of the bloodiest wars in slightly more ancient history, and quite frankly, they’re all the same thing, derived from each other as well as older mythologies still. It doesn’t only matter what they’ve caused, but what they have the potential to cause.
Jesus, being dead, didn’t have much control over what the Catholic Church did or
did not do in his name. Just like not being alive, he didn’t have much control
over the atrocities committed in the Old Testament.
Nevertheless, Jesus never ordered the slaughter of anyone, for any reason unlike
MuhamMAD who had entire villages of Jews slaughtered and enslaved on his order as
well as assorted blasphemers who earned his wrath.
Andre :@Kufar
The catholic church gave heavy support to the nazi movement in the 1930s. The crusades were some of the bloodiest wars in slightly more ancient history, and quite frankly, they’re all the same thing, derived from each other as well as older mythologies still. It doesn’t only matter what they’ve caused, but what they have the potential to cause.
True enough. Although the First Crusade as well as the Spanish Reconquista
were aimed at getting rid of islam — a noble goal in and of itself, as
tens of MILLIONS of Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Christians, Jews, Bahais and
Zoroastrians have found out the hard way.
Ian :Dear Kufar,
Iran, Saudi Arabia and all other Islamic states that murder people for being critical of their fairy tales, can like the sweat off my hairy balls.
In Muslim Girl’s country of Egypt you and Andre would be in jail for
the crime of blasphemy and possibly worse, for Egypt has special
crimes against Islam that have more draconian punishments than mere
blasphemy.
Even worse, the UN is considering to initiate a worldwide ban on
blasphemy compliments of the OIC, an islamofascist organization that
annually pushes the UN to adopt this worldwide blasphemy ban.
BTW, Jordan has a standing arrest warrant for Netherlands PM Gert Wilders
for crimes against Islam.
I haven’t noticed any Christians or Jews threatening to murder anyone
for criticizing their faith — much less carry such threats out (as
was done to Theodore Van Gogh in the Netherlands).
when i said sue you i did not mean because you do not believe its for the
Defamation and insult the definition of defamation in the Egyptian Penal Code.
Article 303
Punishable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year and a fine of not less than two thousand and five hundred pounds and not more than seven thousand five hundred pounds, or either of these penalties the Egyptian laws Movable some from the French law unbeliever is not a crime
Fuck your penal code, it doesn’t apply to any of us.
Your president (The Laughing Cow) can go fuck himself for all I care.
That’s the problem that distinguishes islam from other religions (which are also bullshit). In islam, regular citizens often feel that they have a right to impose their laws on others, including brutal punishments like stoning. Other religions have generally stepped down to a lesser power than (inter)national laws, apart from israel, which is a psychotic state run by zionist cunts.
Egypt is retarded, ever come to that conclusion?
Jordan can’t arrest a non-citizen, it is against UN law.
muslim girl: we don’t live in Egypt, enough irrelevant bullshit please.
He’s on their radar now and he knows it so he would be a fool to push his luck.
I now avoid most Arabic countries where possible. This is coming from someone who even speaks their language! But I found that I’m still met with suspicion since I stand out as obviously westernised (long hair is a major tell… As is a sense of fashion).
What? No! How did we miss this? Smells like the work of the devil.
Too late to say la elah il’allah?
Fuck it, if we just go to Mecca and follow the crowd we may yet be redeemed.
Oh no, I forgot there’s little angels sitting on our shoulders taking note of everything we do.
If islamofascist states universally persecute people of other
faiths, what makes you think they wouldn’t be beneath or above
persecuting people of no faith at all? If you think islamofascist
terrorists would give you a pass because you’re an atheist think
again. Anyone NOT muslim is a kufar/infidel, think about that.
Have you received any death threats from your islamofascist fanbase
yet?
Pat Condell has received hundreds of death threats from Muslims.
Some of the threats have been very specific as to what they want
to do to him (e.g. remove his head).
Do I care? No.
Will I receive any? Not likely.
If I do, will I take them seriously? No.
Kufar Dawg Monday August 23rd, 2010 @ 7:58pm
Andre :Anyone who IS muslim is a sheep. A moron. A fool. Think about THAT!
Not quite. They haven’t taken over the Mid-East and N. Africa by being
sheep. It’s within the realm of possibility that you will live to see
the complete eradication of all faiths except Islam in the Mid-East
and N. Africa (with the possible exception of Israel). But maybe you
think that’s a good thing.
Andre :Crusades weren’t defensive at all.
I didn’t say Israel was peaceful.
By all means reread what I said, and also learn the definition of “relatively”.
The First Crusade wasn’t defensive? What happened at the
Gates of Vienna again? What was the Reconquista about again?
Maybe you would’ve preferred an islamofascist Eurabia to Europe?
It looks like you’ll get your wish, because that’s exactly what
Europe is becoming NOW.
i am still studying English in school but he is repeating the words blindly
Hypocrite really i have one word for you …………..,just make sure that you talk about me not yourself
i am not have time for you, my school will start 3/9/2010 so i will be so busy
but i will pray for all of you , God guide you but as you may know that God does not change a people until they change themselves
muslim girl :
i am not have time for you, my school will start 3/9/2010 so i will be so busy
but i will pray for all of you , God guide you but as you may know that God does not change a people until they change themselves
Kevin :It’s good that Christianity got all their killing done early, now they can just point the finger at how violent other religions are.
Religion itself is the problem.
I think there’s a subtle difference between nominally Christian nations and
islamofascist states. If you can’t see the difference maybe you should try
living in an islamofascist state and find out for yourself.
You don’t have any friends, kufar dog, do you?
Did they move on because of your overuse of the word islamofascist?
It’s getting very old indeed and you’re not impressing anyone here.
Are you trolling for the sake of trolling or is this going somewhere?
this is not a freedom of speak >>>>>>> what you do is a freedom of heate and heomilate others
we as a muslem can do the same for your bileves
we can juj cristians from what the cristian did in world war 1 and 2
and what cristian did for Native American and i should remamber u >>>> all the big massicare and bloodshit in the history is commeted by cristians
Wait a minute… you know we are! Since we’re bashing Islam, that must mean that we’re Christians. Yes, Nasser, we’re Christians and we make fun of Islam because we choose to follow another guy that doesn’t exist, either.
Native Americans killed in service for the United States and killed defending their Indian country is listed below in rough estimated numbers. A likely total of 100,000-500,000 Native Americans in the U.S. have died since 1776. The high end would be around a million. Native Americans are the have the highest mortality rate of any U.S. minority because of U.S. action and policy.
Get it into your fucking head, the guy running this site and those whom are it’s most-frequent readers/users, are a-theists/agnostics/humanists, etc. We don’t believe in Islam, we don’t believe in Christianity, we don’t believe in Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, Santa Claus or any other fucking religion. Non-worship of ‘A’ does not suppose worship of ‘B’, you utter pinhead.
You can list all the violent shit from all religions other than Islam, we’ll agree it’s violent shit, and that their religions are shit, but it doesn’t mean a fucking thing about yours. Yours being, likewise, a massive sack of shit. The End.
The Srebrenica massacre, also known as the Srebrenica genocide,[1][2][3][4][5] refers to the July 1995 killing of more than 8,000[6] Bosniak men and boys, as well as the ethnic cleansing of another 25,000–30,000 refugees, in and around the town of Srebrenica in Bosnia and Herzegovina, by units of the Army of Republika Srpska (VRS) under the command of General Ratko Mladić during the Bosnian War. A paramilitary unit from Serbia known as the Scorpions, officially part of the Serbian Interior Ministry until 1991,[7] participated in the massacre.[8][9] It is alleged that foreign volunteers including the Greek Volunteer Guard also participated.[10][11][12]
In April 1993 the United Nations had declared the besieged enclave of Srebrenica in the Drina Valley of north-eastern Bosnia a “safe area” under UN protection. However in July 1995 the United Nations Protection Force (UNPROFOR), represented on the ground by a 400-strong contingent of armed Dutch peacekeepers, failed to prevent the town’s capture by the VRS and the subsequent massacre by the Bosnian Serbs of more than 8,000 civilians and prisoners, mostly men and boys.[13][14][15][16]
The Srebrenica massacre is the largest mass murder in Europe since World War II.[17] In 2004, in a unanimous ruling on the “Prosecutor v. Krstić” case, the Appeals Chamber of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY), located in The Hague, ruled that the massacre of the enclave’s male inhabitants, accompanied by the forcible transfer of all of the women, children and elderly, constituted a crime of genocide.[18] Theodor Meron, the presiding judge, stated:
killed more than seventy thousand (as of little I recognized the air ) !! And that on Friday, June 15, 1099 (492 e). But perhaps ( I’m the air ) Muslim exaggerated .. Let us leave the modern historian Crusader ( William of Tyre ) .. Lim says : “We have rushed a crusader armies Through the streets of the city Mstelin swords, and killed all of the enemies encountered Regardless of age or condition and without discrimination … The alarming spread of massacres everywhere, jammed the severed heads in each Hand so could not go only on the bodies of people killed and at least (!!!) William : “Commanders had no princes !! Have risen earlier in the path for them .. And Have made a killing when they came indescribable .. . The convoy was followed by a crowd of people thirsty Of blood and is designed to genocide …. [ of course, must be a mob upon the religion of princes !! ] Say ( William) : ” Vuh tells us to prefer more glories European Newly Americanized ! ” . The massacre was committed in the place of the city Very frightening , and the bloodshed is so terrible suffering which even the victors Feelings of horror and disgust !! He says: ( and science Other leaders
May Allah bless all muslims. Those who oppose, will never understand, unless they are blessed by Allah, the all mighty.
Salam to all muslim brother/sisters.
And hi to my all non-muslims friends.
I haven’t read all the posts , but after reading a few, i got the idea that Islam is being targeted. If u have any questions about which aspect of Islam wrong, then please do post. i will reply u positively. It is an open question to all of u guys(those who oppose Islam).
Sorry for late reply, as we muslims have Holy month of Ramadan these days, so I was busy in praying and stuff.
My dear Hal, every aspect of Islam is right, If u have any thing that u feel that it is not right, then plz say so, I am here to answer. I know u will say: “every thing is wrong about Islam!”.
Lets just say, we start step by step. Otherwise we will end up saying to each other that “I am right and u r wrong”.
Just approach step by step. u tell me one thing wrong about islam, i will give u the justification about that one thing. Ok, in a friendly manner.
Andre Thursday August 26th, 2010 @ 9:04pm
Aren’t you not allowed to have non-muslim friends? Isn’t that a one way ticket to hell for you guys?
Who told u, it is not allowed to make non-muslim friends? There is no compulsion for us. we are even told not to hate non-muslim by their physical being, but if we r to hate some thing, that is his wrong belief, not himself.
It is instructed to us by our Profet Muhammad (P.B.U.H), it is better for one to make one person a muslim, than to kill 1000 non-muslims(Talking about those non-muslims, who harm muslim)
Islam promotes friendship to all, it is a propaganda against us muslims.
But u r not fully wrong. like in every religion, there are those who do not follow, or those who follow but wrongly. Same is the case in islam, there are some extremists in islam, they love to kill or very litter reason, they impose laws without tolerance etc. But to my belief, they r not muslims. They just use our names. Islam has nothing to do with it.
The most flexible religion, which can be adopted by human nature is Islam. By the way the word “Islam” means “Peace”
this is because you are lucky my school will start 18/9/2010 not 3/9/2010 ,so i want to talk first: if we will talk about the proof of god exist i see that the human brain can not realize the idea of god exist by itself and if you do not believe me try to creat a soul or control over yourself , the simplest idea made by human mind will be that thier is something or someone created you and control over your destiny and he will take you after death means there is another life is waiting for you and it is not your choice ,so the prophets were there before our creation (our birth), god send them to tell us about him(his exist) even the ancients egyptians were believers,prophets like(Adam, Noah, Abraham, Lot, Isaac, Jacob)all religions agree on them then come the messengers with god laws(the messege) in earth with moses thier son with Judaism , There is no doubt that the Jews were the chosen people of God and God loves them and distinguish them but is this choice and that excellence is absolute or terms?
It is well known that this choice was conditional on the acceptance of Jews of the apostles and prophets who God will send them before they have the people that these messengers? Is committed to the Covenant with God?
No. The evidence did not abide by the texts of the Torah ‘land was polluted under its inhabitants because they transgressed laws, changed the obligatory, reneged on the eternal covenant, therefore, the curse of the ground and ate punished those who dwell therein. So burned the earth’s population and remained a few people 54:5 u ‘. ‘Has returned to the sins of their forefathers, who refused to hear my they have gone after other gods to Iebduha now the house of Israel have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers R 11:10’. ‘Is a house is left unto you desolate’. then come chirst with Christianity ,That all the prophecies contained in the Torah, which predicts the coming of Christ had ended after the coming of Christ and the fact that the actual governing the Christ, he now runs his followers who believe in rule spiritually, not physically sentence where he says’ My kingdom is not of this world ,then christians said that there are 3 gods and christ is son god is this because of his Miracle that he born without father adam also born without father and Muhamed mentioned in The Old Testament and New Testament and the bible talked about the fake prophet that he will get punish on earth if this is true how could muhamed spread his religion on 23 years without any punish , islam also mentioned the other religion islam talked about kufar that they will live normaly in earth but thier punish will be after death , as you know muhamed is from the descendant of Ismael son of ibrahim and moses and Christ from the descendant of Isaac son of ibrahim
And moving the herd .The herd is the herd but different color hal advance from your level you think yourself hurt my feelings (Laughing Out Loud) By the way Take your time because i bought school stuff and I’ve prepared myself for the school, so i am not busy anymore
Im just so sorry for you and all those who follow your absurd ideas about islam. I know that you are aware of what you say,it is not because of illiteracy, you know the truth that islam is not the religion of cruelty. its full of love and happiness if you look at it fairly.i wish your followers that close their eyes and obey you could think alittle. anyway, if you believe it or not God doesnt need you, you need him. Islam is a universal religon and day to day its followers will be more and more, even if its bitter and intolerable to you.
The way I see it, there are 3 types of muslims. The 3rd is the only one I can respect.
1) The “terrorist” that we see on our western media. An angry minority that wants affirmative action against the whoring and debauchery of the infidels. Disliked by the world, including most Muslims.
2) The shariah law abiding citizen. The first category overlaps with this one. This Muslim oppresses his wife, follows Islam strictly to the letter and will shun modern standards of morality as they are deemed inferior to the authority of the qur’an. Adultery? Stoned to death. Theft? Cut off hands. Apostasy? Public execution. Mostly found in Saudi Arabia,Yemen, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
3) The peaceful Muslim. The most common and most modern version. Not necessarily very observant. Might only pray on Fridays or during ramadan. Mostly this relaxed Muslim might continue to believe either out of respect for the family, love of tradition or fear of god. Will not necessarily agree with some of Islam’s more questionable teachings but will still firmly defend Islam to outsiders.
muslim girl Wednesday September 1st, 2010 @ 3:08am
Do you become a psychoanalyst? imo muslims are only one type, it is not your first or second or third type it is more diffrent ,i do not think that you visit Saudi Arabia,Yemen, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan you do not know people until you live with them to Collect a detailed true image about them and the terrorist that you see on our western media is only in your media he is fake he is only muslim in id [2:9] And of the people there are some who say, ‘We believe in Allah and the Last Day;’ while they are not believers at all.[2:10] They would deceive Allah and those who believe, and they deceive none but themselves; only they perceive it not.
[2:12] And when it is said to them: ‘Create not disorder on the earth,’ they say: ‘We are only promoters of peace.’
[2:13] Beware! it is surely they who create disorder, but they do not perceive it.
from surat al baqarah
I am a muslim and i believe in one God and i bear witness that mohammed is the last prophet . Hal , andre : You know nothing about Mohammed , do you? Well , read about him and then tell me what do you all think but do me a favor , dont get this knowledge form anti-isalm books. You know islam teachings are telling me that you have your own relegion and and we have ours and if we are to debate you , we have to do it wisely. We believe in Christ but not the way Christians do , we believe he is one of Gods most respectful prophets and that he is not God.
anyway, if you dont believe in god in general, then i want you to answer this simple question: who created you , your mom , dad and the whole universe? dont bullshit me and say Nature coz it is God’s creation.
Nobody created us, read a bio-history textbook. What do I think of Mohammed? I think he’s a pedophile and psychopath. “don’t get this knowledge from anti-islam books.” <– Well of course a pro-islam book is going to give you a bunch of bullshit, you have to read the opposition to learn anything useful.
Also stop calling us Christians, we aren't deluded fucking morons like you, believing in fairy tales. And yes, islam is the same bullshit as christianity, it's just a different piece of a terrible trilogy.
muslim girl Wednesday September 1st, 2010 @ 4:05am
do you taking drugs? yes yes this drugs effects now you are talking about my example the greatest man in earth ever shut up Nasty
You are more stupid than I thought
it is better to you to stop your bullshit now,
biology book!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????
GRRRRRRRRR this is non sense. Lets just stop fighting. I am also muslim and reading alll these i am ANGRY AS EVER. But muslims don’t say anything. these…humans will learn…soon. (i said humans cuz ur not ANY religion. and at
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Fuck you allah. look at your religion, it is messy up this beautiful world. repent or go to hell just like your fucking parents, grand parents and etc
FYI HE DOESN’T HAVE ANY PARENTS OR GRANDPARENTS. And on the day of judgment u wil ALL be srry u ever said a word about islam. Hell fire is 10 TIMES HOTTER THAN regular fire. so beware. u better stop.
Just to follow up on this comment I’d like to say that I actually found a windproof lighter today a few hours after posting this comment.
Omen? So despite my defiance of “him”, he’s still on my side. Yeahhhhhhh.
ALL THOSE PPL WHO SAID GOD DOESN’T exist. well then who created earth and all the planets? who created humans??? who created it all? and don’t say no one because someone had to. :@@@@@@@@@@@@@ :( WELL THEN WHOOOOOOOOOOO????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? WHO???
Cute. labinot returns with his caps lock key activated.
HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN YOUR GOD’S LACK OF PRESENCE?!?!?!?!?!?!?! WHY ISN’T HE HELPING YOU NOW?!?!?!?!?! HMMMMMM?!?!?!?! WHYYYYYYYYY?!?!?!? WHY DOES HE DENY YOUR EXISTENCE?!?!?!
HEY LABINOT CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY PRAYERS ARE NEVER ANSWERED?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? WHY WOULD YOUR LOVING GOD ALLOW INNOCENT STARVING CHILDREN IN AFRICA TO LOSE THEIR LOVED ONES TO AIDS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! IF HE IS OMNIPOTENT AND OMNISCIENT THEN CERTAINLY HE HAS THE POWER TO DESTROY SIN AND MAKE ALL THINGS FLAWLESS IN THIS WORLD, CAN’T HE?!?!?!?!?!?!?! IF HE IS BENEVOLENT THEN THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR INNOCENT PEOPLE DYING IN POVERTY, WAITING FOR THEIR PRAYERS TO BE ANSWERED BY A CRUEL DEITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
muslim girl Wednesday September 1st, 2010 @ 2:08am
god created the universe in 6 days without fatigue he can creat universe in less than second but he is teach us to be patience, every thing around us good and bad for a reason , you want to know why he make two types two kinds up and down poverty and wealth Poor and rich ,he gave us the responsability for every thing ,it is a test for us to believe to help others to make a better world with his religion to choose ,he distinguish us than the other creatures by mind if god wanted all of us to be rich and believers and without diseases we would be but he test our patience and Faith , the hanger is not the worse thing it is a need to live but the evil is more worse with all types
he gave us the mind to believe in his exist without seeing him he told us in quraan about his punishment and forgiveness his hell and heaven his Fair judge he created people with both right and wrong to let them learn from thier experiences
“HEY LABINOT CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY PRAYERS ARE NEVER ANSWERED?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? WHY WOULD YOUR LOVING GOD ALLOW INNOCENT STARVING CHILDREN IN AFRICA TO LOSE THEIR LOVED ONES TO AIDS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! IF HE IS OMNIPOTENT AND OMNISCIENT THEN CERTAINLY HE HAS THE POWER TO DESTROY SIN AND MAKE ALL THINGS FLAWLESS IN THIS WORLD, CAN’T HE?!?!?!?!?!?!?! IF HE IS BENEVOLENT THEN THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR INNOCENT PEOPLE DYING IN POVERTY, WAITING FOR THEIR PRAYERS TO BE ANSWERED BY A CRUEL DEITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111”
Ok, as u not know, Allah has said, this is not the place for the result, this is the place for exam. Result will be there after the end of this world. So if he has to make every thing right here in this world, by himself, then its is not an exam. Every body is free and allowed to do what he wants to do here. But Allah has also told that who so ever will follow the truth, and live sinless life, he will be rewarded after death. Reward is not given in this world. So poverty, suffering, AIDS, all are exams, a test. yes u said why our prayers not get answered?. then let me tell u, they got answered, bc this is the promise of Allah not to reject any prayer, but if HE(Allah) does reject, then he knows better, that what we are asking is not good for us, because he knows better than us whats good for ur. And when a prayer is not accepted, due to reason sated above, then Allah has said that, the person will be rewarded for each unanswered prayer(on the day of judgment), and reward will be so great that if a person knows how much is the reward, then he would have wished that non of his prayers wold have gotten answered during his days on earth.
Ok, as u not know, Allah has said, this is not the place for the result, this is the place for exam. Result will be there after the end of this world. So if he has to make every thing right here in this world, by himself, then its is not an exam. Every body is free and allowed to do what he wants to do here. But Allah has also told that who so ever will follow the truth, and live sinless life, he will be rewarded after death.
But what is the point of this “exam”? Why does your god need to test us for? Is life all about just worrying whether or not you and the others you care about will make it to the pearly gates and be able to buttfuck 72 virgins?
Reward is not given in this world. So poverty, suffering, AIDS, all are exams, a test.
Yes, it’s a “test” from your loving god when he causes illnesses to your loved ones — just so they can die and leave the survivors grieving with a broken heart. Please don’t use the “but that’s why you have faith”, because this is an act of submission, more than anything else. Why should anyone submit themselves to the same damn monster that allowed their own loved ones suffer with little to no way of curing their diseases? Also, what about the amputees? Why won’t your god heal amputees? A man loses an arm in a car crash, and he is forever to live that way. Wow! What a loving god you worship! This is a god who won’t heal amputees who cry out in agonizing pain, feeling miserable and wishing they would just die already. Again, if i was god, I certainly would restore his/her limbs back into place, with or without prayer. What kind of a parent would let their own children just run up to the streets and get hit by a car without going after them to protect them from harm’s way? If you have kids, or plan to (I hope you don’t), then I’d like to see you do the same for your own children if one of them were to, for example, run up to the streets filled with lots of cars passing by. No loving parent would leave their own children unattended. Allah proves to be the exact opposite of this.
Answer me this: If a mere child who is only 8 years old contracts cancer, and this child dies, how can I love this god of yours for allowing it to happen? Why do we suffer for? If it’s because of “sin”, and your god “knows” the past, future, and present, then why damn all of humanity instead of preventing “sin” in the first place? After all, it’s your god; he’s supposed to be infinite in knowledge and abilities, so it would be possible to have an Earth with no “sin” to it. Therefore, there would be no need for repentance over fear of hell.
yes u said why our prayers not get answered?. then let me tell u, they got answered, bc this is the promise of Allah not to reject any prayer, but if HE(Allah) does reject, then he knows better, that what we are asking is not good for us, because he knows better than us whats good for ur. And when a prayer is not accepted, due to reason sated above, then Allah has said that, the person will be rewarded for each unanswered prayer(on the day of judgment), and reward will be so great that if a person knows how much is the reward, then he would have wished that non of his prayers wold have gotten answered during his days on earth.
Prayers are NEVER answered. If your god doesn’t reject prayer, then how come so many poor children living in poverty with little to no food or water are dying each and every 5 seconds as we speak? I’m certain they have been praying REAL hard for your god to supply them with the things they need in order to survive. However, instead of helping them out, he allows them to suffer excruciatingly slow deaths. Why is this? If you’re going to use the argument that this “test” is just so they can be accepted into “heaven”, then you have a very rotten mind. What kind of god is this? He’s certainly not a loving one. If I was a god who is infinitely able to provide, then I would be most willing to help those in need with everything that is required in order to survive: money, food, water, shelter, and medicine.
If your god is able to prevent diseases and suffering, but not willing to, then he is a malevolent bully. There’s no other way around it. If you’re going to deny this, then it’s clear to me that you will never understand.
Both the Koran AND the Bible are illiterate pieces of garbage that were pretty much written by MEN whose delusional minds convinced them that they had a spiritual connection with the two deities of these two books. Just look at all the contradictions, the scientific errors and the barbarity of it all, and it doesn’t take a Richard Dawkins to understand that these scriptures all contradict each other; therefore, only imperfect beings wrote those books. If all that has been written down for your Koran came straight from your god’s mouth, then he must be a total idiot for saying such nonsense. For example: The Sun moves around Earth? Are you sure? Science has proven that theory to be incorrect, as in fact it is the planet Earth and all other planets and stars that move around the Sun. Another example: Semen comes from an area “between our loins and ribs”? (86:5-7) Surely, you must have picked up an educative brochure on the male reproductive system when you were going through puberty and seeing zits all over your face? Because science (and common sense) has proven that semen comes from the testicles, not the area “between our loins and ribs.” Yes, you’re right about the Koran proving science (makes more sense than your holy book).
So, your god is supposed to be all knowing, yet he has to test us, when he should already know the result anyway.
Which prayers were answered? The prayers of all the sick, dying, and lonely in the world? Were their prayers answered? You say that your god doesn’t give what people ask for because “he knows it’s not good for them” yet clearly not being sick, dying, or lonely would be a good thing. So why doesn’t he answer these? Well probably because he doesn’t exist.
Do you seriously not see the insanity of what you’re saying? “When god doesn’t answer, he really did answer, only he answered it in the future after you died!” What a joke! You have no way to prove this other than “my favourite book says it works this way!!” This is completely ludicrous!
You say that everybody is free to do as they please, well then why do you guys always give credit to your god whenever someone does anything? This logic does NOT FLOW!
This system you have going is so incredibly flawed and easily used to exploit weak-minded people such as yourself to the point where it’s actually fascinating in a sick way.
I don’t think anyone should be fighting about religion it doesn’t matter what you believe in or what you don’t believe in, people should mind their own business….. everyone has their own choice they can worship what they want and if you don’t like it then all you can do is pray that they will be guided to what you think is the truth
by the way I am a convert, my mother is an atheist and she’s totally fine with my religion just like I am fine with her’s…true I may want her to also convert, but all I do is pray that she is guided to what I think is the truth
so stop arguing because its a bit silly I am sure you have better things to do
BECAUSE OUR GOD IS A KIND OF MYSTERY IAN
AND ANDRE HE HELPS ME ALOT. HE ALWAYS MAKES MY DAY THE BEST. AND GREENWORLD THEY ARE ANSWERED AND AS I SAID HE IS A KIND OF MYSTERY AND I AGREE WITH LABINOT.
NO THEY’RE NOT ANSWERED!!!!! EVERY FIVE SECONDS, A CHILD WILL DIE OF HUNGER!!!!!!!! WHERE’S YOUR GOD?!?!?!?!?!? OH, WAIT!!!!! HE WORKS IN “MYSTERIOUS WAYS”!!!!!!!! BUT WHY DOES HE NEED TO HIDE FROM US?!?!? WHAT FOR!?!?!?! ALL WE REQUIRE IS PROOF THAT HE EXISTS, ACTUALLY HEALS THE POOR AND DEFENSELESS, BUT THAT’S OUTBALANCED BY THE SHEER MAJORITY OF POVERTY RATES ALL OVER THE WORLD!!!!!! THE ONLY WAY THESE PEOPLE ARE BEING HELPED IN ANY WAY ARE THE KIND AND GENEROUS-MINDED PEOPLE WHO PAID THEIR OWN MONEY TO SPONSOR CHARITIES!!!!! WHAT ABOUT GOD?!?!?! WHERE’S HIS INVOLVEMENT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
muslim girl Wednesday September 1st, 2010 @ 2:04am
god created the universe in 6 days without fatigue he can creat universe in less than second but he is teach us to be patience, every thing around us good and bad for a reason , you want to know why he make two types two kinds up and down poverty and wealth Poor and rich ,he gave us the responsability for every thing ,it is a test for us to believe to help others to make a better world with his religion to choose ,he distinguish us than the other creatures by mind if god wanted all of us to be rich and believers and without diseases we would be but he test our patience and Faith , the hanger is not the worse thing it is a need to live but the evil is more worse with all types
he gave us the mind to believe in his exist without seeing him he told us in quraan about his punishment and forgiveness his hell and heaven his Fair judge he created people with both right and wrong to let them learn from thier experiences
wow you guyz are pathetic. man its not the religion its the people in the religion. Not all muslims are like that. you ppl should respect others religions. first of all you ppl need help. second of all arent all relgion pathetic in a way that is…….. You people should think before you talk and stop listening to the media…if you are smart enough its biased so stop swear about others prophet or messenger.
Not all Muslims are like what?
“The people” will always range from good to bad no matter what their background.
Organised religion itself IS the problem for so many reasons.
They control the behaviour and even emotions of those who follow and intrude on the lives of those who don’t.
They cause a great deal of friction on every level from personal to global, allowing division in communities and causing hatred on a massive scale.
Countless lives have been stripped from innocents for thousands of years in the name of religious sacrifice, martyrdom, crusading, ethnic purges and genocides.
Many more are being expired regularly in the bombings plaguing Pakistan and Iraq.
If your vengeful god hadn’t smitten my laptop then I might have spent longer extending this list of problems with religion but I’m not into typing essays on my phone so I’ll leave it for another time.
Religion is the problem, not the people. People are fallible, we all know that, and therefore so are the ideas of people. Religion was an idea. Fortunately, people are also able to recognize faulty ideas, and for the past 100 years we’ve been slowly looking at one of our biggest failures yet: religion.
death!!! ……. wait till that day when angel of death rips ur soul out ,,,,,,,,
remember today ,,, u were warned …. dnt talk about what you dont knw ,,, atleast learn about islam if u dare … dnt act like ignorant babies ,, atleast sicerely read a quran translaton , to find what is truth , and why its a miracle (quran) … i dare yu !! talking rubbish on the net …. islam is of peace ,,, a muslim is not a muslim if he is a terrorist ,,, …. and btw look at your dictionaries and see the meaning of terrorism ,,,,, stop acting folish ,,, and open ur eyes!!!!!!!!111….islam will never have the meaning of evil ……… evil is u …. who talk with no ilm (knowledge) , may god , the one and only ,, who created me and you ,,, the merciful , who made this world a trail ,,,,, show you and me the right path ,,,,, ( i dnt want any debates …. i just want you to think!!!!!!!!!!! ) may god give you hidaayah!!
Sorry for late reply, as we muslims have Holy month of Ramadan these days, so I was busy in praying and stuff.
My dear Hal, every aspect of Islam is right, If u have any thing that u feel that it is not right, then plz say so, I am here to answer. I know u will say: “every thing is wrong about Islam!”.
Lets just say, we start step by step. Otherwise we will end up saying to each other that “I am right and u r wrong”.
Just approach step by step. u tell me one thing wrong about islam, i will give u the justification about that one thing. Ok, in a friendly manner.
Who told u, it is not allowed to make non-muslim friends? There is no compulsion for us. we are even told not to hate non-muslim by their physical being, but if we r to hate some thing, that is his wrong belief, not himself.
It is instructed to us by our Profet Muhammad (P.B.U.H), it is better for one to make one person a muslim, than to kill 1000 non-muslims(Talking about those non-muslims, who harm muslim)
Islam promotes friendship to all, it is a propaganda against us muslims.
But u r not fully wrong. like in every religion, there are those who do not follow, or those who follow but wrongly. Same is the case in islam, there are some extremists in islam, they love to kill or very litter reason, they impose laws without tolerance etc. But to my belief, they r not muslims. They just use our names. Islam has nothing to do with it.
The most flexible religion, which can be adopted by human nature is Islam. By the way the word “Islam” means “Peace”
Yes, I said that. What are you going to do about it? Track me down? No, you’re just going to whine at me, Ian, Andre, and Hal about it. As far as my “true way of thinking”, yes, I have no regret for what I said. Islam is a delusional, sick death cult. Why should I feel ashamed for having no respect for the damages caused in the “name of God”? Why should I forgive the suicidal extremists and the Sharia law supporters? Thousands of lives are lost each and every single day here on Earth, all because of the disgusting things said in your holy books. Mohammed was a pedophile who married a 6-year-old girl and then fornicated her when she turned 9, for example. Yes, “shame” on us for not respecting Islam!
“I respect every religion, but the one accepted till the end of time is ISLAM, and only islam.”
Mr. Hammad, some Evangelical Christians would like to have a word with you.
I have no intentions to track u down, and i don’t care. because to me, u r less than a human, and u do have no heart for the feelings of others. And I am not whining at u or any body else. Its my deity to tell the truth, to save u guys.
And us said “Why should I forgive the suicidal extremists and the Sharia law supporters?”
u people are way misunderstanding us, Suicide is a sin in our religion, u r not allowed to through ur life away. It is an act of cowardice. He will be punished for this act. We never supported sucide. If some one does it, it is using the name of islam, he is not muslim.
and what do u think the word “Sharia” is. It simply says how to live ur life according to Islam, the way of life from waking up till sleep time.
U said. “Mohammed was a pedophile who married a 6-year-old girl and then fornicated her when she turned 9, for example. Yes, “shame” on us for not respecting Islam!”
Dude there is no such thing in Islam. we have our senses and brain with us, who would believe in such a man who does this. Can u support ur answer through any reference, that Muhammad (PBUH) did this? U r not to say what other people say, just answer my question by giving me evidence of Islaminc literature? I need reference to ur baseless comment. If u cant provide, then u have no right to say: “Mohammed was a pedophile who married a 6-year-old girl and then fornicated her when she turned 9, for example. Yes, “shame” on us for not respecting Islam!”
Its just a propaganda against Islam,to make u people believe that Islam is a bad religion. I wounder, from where u get this wrong info.
who r u and where r u from? and i think u r still too young to handle this complex matter.
Youe may say the truth, but these guys won’t listen to u, this is happening from the time of Profet Nooha (Alie-hiss-salaam). No body listened to him, saying he was crazy and stuff like that. we r only here to try, true belief will only be blessed by Allah, all-mighty.
right, you are very right i am egyptian and my name is esraa my age is 15 ,may i am too young but i see that i can help even 1% it is not shame or wrong to Defense about your believes ,it is the only thing that i see it right with no Doubt ,i love god i believe every word in his holy book ,i cant be silent with someone can not distinguish between the truth and the Illusions ,so they will Regret in a day that regret can not be useful for them they will not need to regret they will wish to back with time to think better and it is impossible ,they do not want to see, they are too wierd , i am trying but God does what He wills i always hear people say that Stubbornness generates disbelief when i was young i was not understand this sentence now i understand it and may be god made me see this site for a reason to change something or to realize something , when i was young i was always asking about people who are not muslims about thier place i believe that they need someone to help them to teach them to tell them may they have no idea i born a muslim which is great gift from god
yes ,agian and again because it is the truth god created me he control over my destiny he bless me and i am his slave ,There is no power nor might save in Allah , Praises be to Allah
it is Supposed to me to laugh or what? god control over all the worlds and all humans (everything), he is the lord of the worlds means you and me and every one else ( Whether you wish to or not)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah
god created creatures are called slaves because they Are created i can not explain it more but i understand it is like Wheat and
Bread there is no bread without wheat like there is no juice without water my meaning is we are creatures so there is Creator there is no god there is no us
Greenworld i am slave to my creator this is logical to me, the freedom thing can not be ably with god he is not like me, i can ask for freedom from any human any other human have no right in me but god have he give me everything ( life, food, water, cloths, house ,room ,school ,money ,mind, parents. sister and brother ,friends ,skin ,hair, eyes …….ect)
this is mental thing
My dears, At least read about Islam in Quran, sayings of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), then open ur mouth, if u dont like something. Don’t say what other people say. U ahve eyes, brain, thinking power, decide urself. Plz
By my brother named his with “warning” said it. This is the truth.
“death!!! ……. wait till that day when angel of death rips ur soul out ,,,,,,,,
remember today ,,, u were warned …. dnt talk about what you dont knw ,,, atleast learn about islam if u dare … dnt act like ignorant babies ,, atleast sicerely read a quran translaton , to find what is truth , and why its a miracle (quran) … i dare yu !! talking rubbish on the net …. islam is of peace ,,, a muslim is not a muslim if he is a terrorist ,,, …. and btw look at your dictionaries and see the meaning of terrorism ,,,,, stop acting folish ,,, and open ur eyes!!!!!!!!111….islam will never have the meaning of evil ……… evil is u …. who talk with no ilm (knowledge) , may god , the one and only ,, who created me and you ,,, the merciful , who made this world a trail ,,,,, show you and me the right path ,,,,, ( i dnt want any debates …. i just want you to think!!!!!!!!!!! ) may god give you hidaayah!!”
You’re full of shit. Where do you get off telling us to decide for ourselves? You’re the one following an ages old fairy tale of a religion. What’s wrong with islam you ask? It’s a fairy tale, it’s all bullshit. Your joke of a prophet was a pedophile, a sick man. I don’t give two shits about what you think your religion stands for, or what it may or may not have originally stood for, because today it represents only religious world conquest and fear. I’ve read your stupid books, I’ve read books about your stupid books, and I’ve already told you this. It’s garbage, nothing but bullshit that some idiot thought up in his head to trick people into following him.
You think you can impose your shariah law on the world because some book tells you to do so. A book written by men, not by some deity. It’s an invention of man to control the weak, such as yourself.
Then why haven’t any body being able to create the book of this caliber till now? It is a challenge to all u losers by Allah(it is said in Quran), to create even a single verse, of the same caliber as that book, this challenge is from 1400 years ago, no body could every do it.
This is because humans are not that much capable. Their brain also have a limit.
I am speaking politely, with good words so u do the same. why are u getting so angry about. If u have the “don’t know, don’t care attitude”, then why are u wasting ur time here, why u even bother to reply. when we say something that annoys u and u don’t have answer to that, u simply say “i don’t care”, or “what i have to do with ur bullshit” or stuff like that, honestly u r not even a man!, u cannot defend ur point with logic!
And us said, u have read Our beloved religion books, and book to our religious books, can u state the book names? writer names? i mean the one who wrote the books on our Religious books?
Wow, you’re telling me to use logic? I use nothing but logic. At this point on this particular blog however, we’ve answered all of your questions dozens of times, and you can simply find them yourself. We’ve repeated ourselves more than enough.
You’re so full of shit you can’t even realize the stupidity of the things you’re saying.
Ok, then if u have written the answer to my stupid question, then this page is too big to read now. So if u have typed the answer some where on this page, then u might have remembered some key words, do “Ctrl + F” and search it, copy and paste it here. So i get what i deserve, ur so called logical answer? Who told u to retype the whole thing.
Hi Andre.
you said:
“Nobody created us, read a bio-history textbook. What do I think of Mohammed? I think he’s a pedophile and psychopath. “don’t get this knowledge from anti-islam books.” <– Well of course a pro-islam book is going to give you a bunch of bullshit, you have to read the opposition to learn anything useful.
Also stop calling us Christians, we aren't deluded fucking morons like you, believing in fairy tales. And yes, islam is the same bullshit as christianity, it's just a different piece of a terrible trilogy."
well i can say "u have a Diarrhea of mouth."
Ok Andre, u think things just happen, as biology and science claims about the birth of humans?
ok, lets see what u claim:
1: U say the whole formation of galaxy was just an accident, as a result of big bang, or some other scientific phenomenon? (well some of it is true, Islam has said it in Quran 1400 years ago, but it was not an accident)
2: u say things here are going uncontrollably, without under the command of any one? no GOD(Allah)?
(A): It was a very very luck big bang, that caused earth to somehow move around the sun, in a very very precise manner, (If u have read science, as u referred biology, it means u have some know how about science) then u know that magnetic field is very sensitive to distance. try spinning a north pole magnet hanging with a thread(just like pendulum bob hangs with a thread) around a south pole of the other magnet, placing south pole in the center(or vice versa). It requires a very precise rotational velocity to cancel the centripetal force created by magnetic pull, otherwise they will just smash into one another. And now this huge ball of mud is rotating since thousands of years, and no body is looking over?
(B): After big bang, it some how, suddenly happened that thousands of species born after an explosion, what a lucky explosion!. And only Humans developed from single cell to multi-cellular specie, wow. Now think that thousands of years have passed, i haven't seen any single new intelligent or newly mutated specie. If this theory were to be true, then this phenomenon would have occurred in many other forms, because now the chances are even better, due to better climatic condition of earth, than were in early times. we are here on earth for over thousands of years, and we haven't seen any single cell, or multicellular organism to develop into a complex structure like human or close to that, or in some other form. No scientist claims about it? why??
"Human is the state of the art creation of Allah. He is better than any other creature. because allah gave him a power full brain"
My dear it is not an accident, or luck. Or some say that humans, some how just developed from monkeys to human form. Monkeys are still monkeys man, they are not developing in jungles, i haven't seen any monkey using spears and arrow and making homes, going to schools, they are same ever since.
Animals are born with their limited intellect, and they are intelligent by birth, intelligent enough to do what they are born to do, and gain a very little knowledge from out side environment to survive. No animal parent teaches their offspring how to live,eat etc, even if they teach, then it is in their inherent nature, they are bound to do so, bc they were born with it, and their offspring would do the same to their offspring and cycle continues. Only humans are born without intellect, and they have to learn every thing. An infant human child placed near a snake will feel no danger. but a child of mouse, will run away in an instant. So u say animal just some how learn without any one giving knowledge to them at their birth?.
Close to what i said above, is explained in Quran.
(C): U breath, digest, exhale, urinate, take nap, chew food, complex neuron structure of brain, complex blood pumping of heart, kidney functioning etc, just work some how, and developed on their own, without any one to create this complex structure?
u acknowledge that, lets say a car(vehicle) is made by human(by the knowledge that allah gave to him/her) with effort,hard work, time etc, u accept and acknowledge it(other than what i said in brackets about allah).
But if some one say that "I put some metal in one room and closed the door(sealed it), the other day i opened the door, there was a finished vehicle, having engine, seats, wiring, fuel, lights, wheels, glass etc"
who would believe such a stupid story? so all what i want to prove is that, things don't happen them selves, some has to do it. Ok, for instance, one would believe to some extent that that thing happened automatically, but there is a limit man, i mean the whole human is a very very complex machine, the whole phenomenon around the globe are too complex to understand, and are happening in a very very controlled way, so that we can survive. How can this happen automatically???? if car can not be built automatically, then how come the whole universe with that much detail?
without someone doing it(Allah) ?
(D): Ok now u believe so much in biology, i believe too, but not sooooo much.
We have so much technology, can we create a human being with out taking the sperms from any male? why haven't we been able to create a single sperm. as human is an accident, then making sperm should be a piece of cake.
ok lets lower down the difficulty level,because humans r too complex, can we create a SINGLE SEED, (on our own)of any plant/tree etc. how about rice, it is plain, uniform, white. it should be easy, but NO!!. We can go to space with a spaceship, because we have that much technology, but we can't even make a single grain of rice or any other seed.
and we don't know even know what gravity is and how it works yet!!
we can't even make a single fly out of our own. So u say it is a biological phenomenon, and there is no creator??
These are just glimpse dear. U don't have to get angry with me. May be i might have written some wrong concepts/phenomenon about science(as i am human, my knowledge is limited and humans are prone to error), but i made my point clear.
U can argue with me, u can reason with me. But saying all of the sudden that "This is crappy bullshit! etc." this is wrong. it means u r not willing to hear the truth.
So you’ve put words in my mouth here, and you’ve inferred that science claims everything happened by accident.
This is not true in the slightest.
You, however, claim that god did it. This is just too easy. Science strives to find answers, while you strive to avoid answers, by saying god did it.
I say again, you’re so full of shit that you don’t even realize it.
Hay man, what is this. lol. This is not even an answer? These are the questions where u religion less people can’t find the answer? Then what science explain about the creation? Nothing!!
What science has created? Nothing?
U haven’t answered even a single question of mine? i believe in science, I am engineer. But there is a limit to science and human thinking. So again, reply my issues raised in my big message above.
u can only say “I say again, you’re so full of *** that you don’t even realize it.”
what science claims then?, tell me. as i told u what i know. how can science tells? also go through all what i have written, an then answer.
U r constantly using bad word for our religious people, and our prophets who we care more than our own parents. Is this ur civilization? u have no right to say that. even if u don’t believe in our religion, then this doesn’t mean u should insult.
Because of this stupid attitude or you’s gets u cowards get killed, then u blame islam. U r the one violent, ur replies openly say so.
Hammad :U r constantly using bad word for our religious people,
Go cry us all a river, please.
and our prophets who we care more than our own parents.
You care more about an insane pedophile than your own two biological parents? This only reinforces my stance on how religion poisons everything. I would NEVER put anyone — let alone some invisible character — over two people that obviously exist. I don’t know how you grew up as a child, but I’m thankful for what my parents have and will continue to provide me with for a long time.
Is this ur civilization?
The Skep-Dicks Civilization. Loud and clear.
u have no right to say that. even if u don’t believe in our religion, then this doesn’t mean u should insult.
Did you bother reading the title of this site? It says IRRELIGION.ORG, so of course we have every single damn right to say whatever we want. And even if we don’t subscribe to your cult, that doesn’t mean we can’t say shit about it. If you can’t stand the heat, then get the hell out of the kitchen.
Because of this stupid attitude or you’s gets u cowards get killed, then u blame islam.
Your spelling and grammar could use some improvement before you call us “stupid cowards.” Only a coward would refrain from insulting Islam and your nonexistent prophet. Your words have no effect on us.
U r the one violent, ur replies openly say so.
You’re comparing our replies to suicide bombers and other extremists, the scums that mercilessly take away the lives of innocent people and leave surviving family members heartbroken for the rest of their lives? Fuck you.
Did you seriously just accuse the victim of the crime? Are you really going to pull that shit now? If a woman is wearing a short skirt, and someone rapes her, it’s not her fault. It’s the rapist’s fault! He raped her, she didn’t ask him to. This is a misidentification of victim/criminal and is a perfect example of why islam is so incredibly awful.
Fuck you for saying that, you sick person.
this is ridiculous you are not the woman who is wearing a short skirt you are this one who raped her you are not the victim you are the criminal because ( suicide bombers and other extremists, the scums that mercilessly take away the lives of innocent people and leave surviving family members heartbroken for the rest of their lives) first tell me Honestly how many people are dead in your country (america )
because of people said that they are muslim lets ignore now they muslims or liars and also tell me how many people Tortures because of your last President and raped then killed in without mercy way in arab countries like iraq or others ? then count and compare if our criminals make you feel awful that we did not catch them so watch from your criminals that you elected and Encourage and of course you will get shocked from the diffrence and you will discover by time that america and israel unity against arab muslim Terrorists is just Greed in the Middle East poor countries so you come to kill with Silly reasons for war like Nuclear weapons then we discover that there is nothing in iraq so mr bosh go away with his Scandals to prepare the world for another liar like obama (mr jew )
to be continued
Yeah I don’t live in america, kid. And do NOT call me the criminal. You are completely insane. You’re comparing me to murderers, when I’m the one speaking out against these murderers.
I didn’t say anything about your broken English, I commented on the fact that you can’t even identify who a victim is and who a criminal is.
This is islam in a nutshell, accusing women of allowing themselves to be raped, rather than accusing rapists of being disturbed freaks. Or accusing the rest of the world of being infidels rather than accusing their own psychotic freaks of terrorism and murder.
(On the subject of the USA, as muslim girl brought it up: Yeah, I’m aware that they’re pretty fucked up too, but that’s not what we’re talking about right now, is it? No, so stay on topic.)
Hi every one. I have read some one say who created GOD(Allah).
Well the thing is HE is so mighty that mere words cannot comprehend him. As our minds might think that there must have to be time in the beginning when GOD was born, back, way back in TIME. but u see every thing is a creation of GOD. so TIME itself is also his creation(written in Quran, if u need reference, I can give u the verse #). We are bound to follow the time, and hence we think accordingly the beginning and end of every thing. Meaning that we related things to time. But after death this curtain will be opened, and every body will realize.
So our mind is not mature enough to understand. As Time is GOD’s slave(his creation), so he is eternal, without any beginning and end, he i not bound to follow time. Beginning and ends are for us mortals, because we are the creation, not the creator.
Hammad :Hi every one. I have read some one say who created GOD(Allah).
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Well the thing is HE is so mighty that mere words cannot comprehend him. As our minds might think that there must have to be time in the beginning when GOD was born, back, way back in TIME. but u see every thing is a creation of GOD. so TIME itself is also his creation(written in Quran, if u need reference, I can give u the verse #). We are bound to follow the time, and hence we think accordingly the beginning and end of every thing. Meaning that we related things to time. But after death this curtain will be opened, and every body will realize.
You’re assuming that just because “there must be a God out there”, we have to go with Islam. But what if “God” (IF such a thing exists) is totally different from the God that your Koran talks about? What if there are MULTIPLE Gods? You are asserting something which has no rational basis. Science hasn’t figured everything out, sure, but we always change, and evolve for better understanding of our surroundings in the universe. Your religion, however, refuses to improve (as the rest of humanity has) and because of that, your emotional baggage will not overthrow the facts confirmed by science (and ONLY science alone).
So our mind is not mature enough to understand. As Time is GOD’s slave(his creation), so he is eternal, without any beginning and end, he i not bound to follow time. Beginning and ends are for us mortals, because we are the creation, not the creator.
Again, you are assuming that because there *must* be some sort of deity out there, you are choosing to throw yourself in with Allah. But what about Horus, Vishnu? Osiris? Zeus? Apollo? Odin? Thor? The list goes on… If you’re going to tell us that *your* God is the *true one*, then kindly focus on debunking the REST of the Gods that have been introduced into human culture before trying to put a leash on what we may or may not say.
Debunk one god, you’ve debunked them all.
Clearly that’s why religious people avoid debating existence with other creationists, since it would be entirely counterintuitive to their own goals.
Well, I’m open to the idea of spiritual planes possibly existing. What I’m NOT open to is assuming something exists without having any solid proof. I’m an atheist, but if there truly is an intelligent God (the Deist God is the only concept of a deity that makes sense to me), it most certainly is not Allah nor Yahweh.
I have no intentions to track u down, and i don’t care. because to me, u r less than a human, and u do have no heart for the feelings of others. And I am not whining at u or any body else. Its my deity to tell the truth, to save u guys.
And us said “Why should I forgive the suicidal extremists and the Sharia law supporters?”
u people are way misunderstanding us, Suicide is a sin in our religion, u r not allowed to through ur life away. It is an act of cowardice. He will be punished for this act. We never supported sucide. If some one does it, it is using the name of islam, he is not muslim.
and what do u think the word “Sharia” is. It simply says how to live ur life according to Islam, the way of life from waking up till sleep time.
U said. “Mohammed was a pedophile who married a 6-year-old girl and then fornicated her when she turned 9, for example. Yes, “shame” on us for not respecting Islam!”
Dude there is no such thing in Islam. we have our senses and brain with us, who would believe in such a man who does this. Can u support ur answer through any reference, that Muhammad (PBUH) did this? U r not to say what other people say, just answer my question by giving me evidence of Islaminc literature? I need reference to ur baseless comment. If u cant provide, then u have no right to say: “Mohammed was a pedophile who married a 6-year-old girl and then fornicated her when she turned 9, for example. Yes, “shame” on us for not respecting Islam!”
Its just a propaganda against Islam,to make u people believe that Islam is a bad religion. I wounder, from where u get this wrong info.
I have no intentions to track u down, and i don’t care. because to me, u r less than a human, and u do have no heart for the feelings of others. And I am not whining at u or any body else. Its my deity to tell the truth, to save u guys.
I’m “less than a human” because I choose to think for myself and not become just another slave unit (such as yourself) submitting to a higher authority to use for their own benefits. I do have hearts for the feelings of others, but I just don’t respect Islam and what it causes to humanity. No other cause of death has ever matched those that are influenced by religion/God. Simply put: Religion is the number one reason we have wars still going around. It is bullshit.
U said. “Mohammed was a pedophile who married a 6-year-old girl and then fornicated her when she turned 9, for example. Yes, “shame” on us for not respecting Islam!”
Dude there is no such thing in Islam. we have our senses and brain with us, who would believe in such a man who does this. Can u support ur answer through any reference, that Muhammad (PBUH) did this? U r not to say what other people say, just answer my question by giving me evidence of Islaminc literature? I need reference to ur baseless comment. If u cant provide, then u have no right to say: “Mohammed was a pedophile who married a 6-year-old girl and then fornicated her when she turned 9, for example. Yes, “shame” on us for not respecting Islam!”
Its just a propaganda against Islam,to make u people believe that Islam is a bad religion. I wounder, from where u get this wrong info.
You’re assuming that just because “there must be a God out there”, we have to go with Islam. But what if “God” (IF such a thing exists) is totally different from the God that your Koran talks about? What if there are MULTIPLE Gods? You are asserting something which has no rational basis. Science hasn’t figured everything out, sure, but we always change, and evolve for better understanding of our surroundings in the universe. Your religion, however, refuses to improve (as the rest of humanity has) and because of that, your emotional baggage will not overthrow the facts confirmed by science (and ONLY science alone).
Again, you are assuming that because there *must* be some sort of deity out there, you are choosing to throw yourself in with Allah. But what about Horus, Vishnu? Osiris? Zeus? Apollo? Odin? Thor? The list goes on… If you’re going to tell us that *your* God is the *true one*, then kindly focus on debunking the REST of the Gods that have been introduced into human culture before trying to put a leash on what we may or may not say.
If there are multiple gods, there will never be peace in the universe, it logical. One would say for example, I will bring the sun from one side, the other will say NO, i will bring the sun from the opposite side,(same with every decision) there will be fight amongst the creators, if they are more than one.
My dear, our religion, Islam has the very nature of adaptability to every era of human race, as the rules set in this religion are not by any human, but Allah. He(Allah) knows what sort of problems will occur till the end of time, so this religion if the way of life till the very end, bc it is perfect.
2: u keep saying about Science, Science. Science even do not understand what gravity is, how our brain works, how human came to existence, how universe was created.?
My dear, our religion, Islam has the very nature of adaptability to every era of human race, as the rules set in this religion are not by any human, but Allah. He(Allah) knows what sort of problems will occur till the end of time, so this religion if the way of life till the very end, bc it is perfect.
That’s a load of tripe. Islam is just another knockoff of Judaism, much like Christianity. I like how you think you know; you don’t even question your own religion’s atrocities. The rules of your religion are very much man-made. God was created by men.
2: u keep saying about Science, Science. Science even do not understand what gravity is, how our brain works, how human came to existence, how universe was created.?
2: u keep saying about Science, Science. Science even do not understand what gravity is, how our brain works, how human came to existence, how universe was created.?
Every one who needs the answer about the existence of the creator, see my this message, here gain and am copying it. And this time, come up with logical answer. (my issues raised are logical and so are my comments):
“Nobody created us, read a bio-history textbook. What do I think of Mohammed? I think he’s a pedophile and psychopath. “don’t get this knowledge from anti-islam books.” <– Well of course a pro-islam book is going to give you a bunch of bullshit, you have to read the opposition to learn anything useful.
Also stop calling us Christians, we aren't deluded fucking morons like you, believing in fairy tales. And yes, islam is the same bullshit as christianity, it's just a different piece of a terrible trilogy."
well i can say "u have a Diarrhea of mouth."
Ok Andre, u think things just happen, as biology and science claims about the birth of humans?
ok, lets see what u claim:
1: U say the whole formation of galaxy was just an accident, as a result of big bang, or some other scientific phenomenon? (well some of it is true, Islam has said it in Quran 1400 years ago, but it was not an accident)
2: u say things here are going uncontrollably, without under the command of any one? no GOD(Allah)?
(A): It was a very very luck big bang, that caused earth to somehow move around the sun, in a very very precise manner, (If u have read science, as u referred biology, it means u have some know how about science) then u know that magnetic field is very sensitive to distance. try spinning a north pole magnet hanging with a thread(just like pendulum bob hangs with a thread) around a south pole of the other magnet, placing south pole in the center(or vice versa). It requires a very precise rotational velocity to cancel the centripetal force created by magnetic pull, otherwise they will just smash into one another. And now this huge ball of mud is rotating since thousands of years, and no body is looking over?
(B): After big bang, it some how, suddenly happened that thousands of species born after an explosion, what a lucky explosion!. And only Humans developed from single cell to multi-cellular specie, wow. Now think that thousands of years have passed, i haven't seen any single new intelligent or newly mutated specie. If this theory were to be true, then this phenomenon would have occurred in many other forms, because now the chances are even better, due to better climatic condition of earth, than were in early times. we are here on earth for over thousands of years, and we haven't seen any single cell, or multicellular organism to develop into a complex structure like human or close to that, or in some other form. No scientist claims about it? why??
"Human is the state of the art creation of Allah. He is better than any other creature. because allah gave him a power full brain"
My dear it is not an accident, or luck. Or some say that humans, some how just developed from monkeys to human form. Monkeys are still monkeys man, they are not developing in jungles, i haven't seen any monkey using spears and arrow and making homes, going to schools, they are same ever since.
Animals are born with their limited intellect, and they are intelligent by birth, intelligent enough to do what they are born to do, and gain a very little knowledge from out side environment to survive. No animal parent teaches their offspring how to live,eat etc, even if they teach, then it is in their inherent nature, they are bound to do so, bc they were born with it, and their offspring would do the same to their offspring and cycle continues. Only humans are born without intellect, and they have to learn every thing. An infant human child placed near a snake will feel no danger. but a child of mouse, will run away in an instant. So u say animal just some how learn without any one giving knowledge to them at their birth?.
Close to what i said above, is explained in Quran.
(C): U breath, digest, exhale, urinate, take nap, chew food, complex neuron structure of brain, complex blood pumping of heart, kidney functioning etc, just work some how, and developed on their own, without any one to create this complex structure?
u acknowledge that, lets say a car(vehicle) is made by human(by the knowledge that allah gave to him/her) with effort,hard work, time etc, u accept and acknowledge it(other than what i said in brackets about allah).
But if some one say that "I put some metal in one room and closed the door(sealed it), the other day i opened the door, there was a finished vehicle, having engine, seats, wiring, fuel, lights, wheels, glass etc"
who would believe such a stupid story? so all what i want to prove is that, things don't happen them selves, some has to do it. Ok, for instance, one would believe to some extent that that thing happened automatically, but there is a limit man, i mean the whole human is a very very complex machine, the whole phenomenon around the globe are too complex to understand, and are happening in a very very controlled way, so that we can survive. How can this happen automatically???? if car can not be built automatically, then how come the whole universe with that much detail?
without someone doing it(Allah) ?
(D): Ok now u believe so much in biology, i believe too, but not sooooo much.
We have so much technology, can we create a human being with out taking the sperms from any male? why haven't we been able to create a single sperm. as human is an accident, then making sperm should be a piece of cake.
ok lets lower down the difficulty level,because humans r too complex, can we create a SINGLE SEED, (on our own)of any plant/tree etc. how about rice, it is plain, uniform, white. it should be easy, but NO!!. We can go to space with a spaceship, because we have that much technology, but we can't even make a single grain of rice or any other seed.
and we don't know even know what gravity is and how it works yet!!
we can't even make a single fly out of our own. So u say it is a biological phenomenon, and there is no creator??
These are just glimpse dear. U don't have to get angry with me. May be i might have written some wrong concepts/phenomenon about science(as i am human, my knowledge is limited and humans are prone to error), but i made my point clear.
U can argue with me, u can reason with me. But saying all of the sudden that "This is crappy bullshit! etc." this is wrong. it means u r not willing to hear the truth.
Ok Hammad, I’ve addressed your point (A) elsewhere on this thread so here I want to expand on the first half of point (B).
“Some say that humans somehow just developed from monkeys to human form.”
No learned person would say this because it’s an extreme distortion of the truth.
This point has come up before so I’ll break it down to digestable chunks:
Mankind and modern apes are both descended from a common (and obviously extinct) ancestor. We’ll call him Hal.
Monkeys and other primates are descended from another ancestor. We’ll call him Hammad.
Hal and Hammad are not the same species but they both descended from the same, even older ancestor.
Are you getting this so far? Let’s go back a bit further.
This ancient ape creature, along with other mammals (all of which are now extinct) can be traced back through the generations, using our steadily growing fossil record, from early mammals, back through lizards, amphibians, fish, worms, to minuscule multi celled creatures, to the simplest of life forms.
Moving parallel to this is the evolution of insects, arachnids and mollusks from crustaecans before them.
Modern birds evolved from dinosaurs. Look at an ostrich’s leg if you want proof.
Even flora has evolved through the ages.
Now we have a great versatility of trees, flowers and vegetation, all of which evolved from primitive ferns, grasses, mosses and algae.
There is of course another category of organism that deserves special mention as it is possibly the most successful creature on earth…
No, not the feeble humans, but our most formidable adversary, the virus.
If you claim that there is no evidence to support the theory of evolution then I propose that the resilience of the flu virus in its numerous iterations is proof of the contrary.
And if u say i am wrong about concept that “science says that, the creation of universe was an explosion, an accident”, then what is ur belief?, what ur science says?. share ur ideas plz. so i can answer accordingly to ur beliefs about science
Looks like I missed most of the party.
You raise many points, Hammad. I’ll provide some insight to as much of it as I can over the next few days but my laptop recently died so be patient please.
The main problems I’ve noticed with your argument are as follow:
1) You have a false understanding of evolution. To fully grasp it you need to go back to the very beginning of simple “life”, ie single celled organisms, protozoans, amino acids, algae, plankton, etc. You can’t just jump straight onto complex creatures right away.
You also need to shed this false notion of things happening “by accident”. That implies that in one instant there was no creature of a particular species, then suddenly it existed.
That’s not how it works. The evolutionary process is incremental and results can only be seen across a large period of time (possibly several hundred generations).
You say you’ve yet to find an animal that can process higher thinking such as using tools. This is happening all around us but you’ve obviously never watched a documentary about it. Type in some broad keywords into YouTube for examples, like “orangutan washing” or “chimp cracking nut” or “weaver bird” or “bower bird”.
2) The formation of stars and planets is a far more complicated process than you can imagine. You mockingly say “isn’t it lucky that earth fell into perfect orbit around the sun?” (Or something along those lines). This shows again that you only heard a warped, simplified view of the big bang theory. Earth isn’t a giant, pre-formed marble that just needed to be slotted into orbit. 5 billion years ago, there was no solid earth, but copious amounts of raw material and space dust that coalesced over millions of years to form the early earth. All the mass was brought together by its collective gravity. The heat and pressure generated brought the heaviest elements (such as iron) to the core where it melted and span at great speeds, causing the electromagnetic field that protected earth from the sun’s rays. This further allowed the development of an atmosphere which set the early conditions that allowed life to flourish. I’ve missed numerous vital details but you can easily research this topic further if you were so inclined.
3) Many Muslims claim that “doubt” is good as it is a motivation for deeper understanding, but that is not what I see from what you write. I want you to look at your holy book critically and question it yourself, as you would in any other aspect of your life.
Here’s a website that I found, it breaks down the quran in its entirety and annotates each questionable line. It points out fallacies and contradictions that devout Muslims might be too blind-sided to pick up on themselves. Peace.
Looks link u r the only one who I can reason with. I tried to open the link, but request timed out. I will try again some other time.
1:what i wanted to say was, as humans development took a very very long time, to be into its final form, as u say. My question was that, at the very beginning, there should also have to be other species that should have evolved during that much time, i.e., similar to humans, why aren’t they there any?
I specifically mentioned that animals also adapt to the environment they live in. I love to see the documentaries,national geographic, etc. For instance see this interesting crow video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGPGknpq3e0
here crow has adapted his way of life to cities. He even understands signal lights. I know all this stuff, but crow have been here for thousands of years now, but it haven’t developed neither physically nor mentally. but the development is only limited to a very little experience. Like if u pet some animal, he will recognize u.It means they learn. But it is not something that we do. I am here not talking about mental growth, but also physical growth. Like cockroaches, they are said to be there during the time of dinosaurs, 354–295 million years ago(Wikipedia). But none of them have evolved to be as intelligent as us or even close to us. Similarly there would have to be alot of animals, that would have been evolving in parallel with humans till the ancient times, but non are there. Ok I believe to some extent that their sizes might have gone bigger or smaller, but main stuff remains the same. yes every creature adapts it self to its environment, to survive, like that crow in you tube.
2: There is always some scientific phenomenon against every process, it is also written in Quran about big bang, it did happened(If u wanted the verse, i will provide). But who imitated the process, and such a complicated phenomenon have been working since millions of years passed, and being working flawlessly, it is surprising that there is no one to do it. Like i gave u the example of CAR, made automatically when some metal was put in a sealed room. it is not possible. What our science says about it? it also says that if u put some metal in closed room, even after trillion years, no car will be formed, or no nothing will form. Because it need some one to process it man. to make pistons(heart), to make light(eyes), to have exhaust(waste), to have a need for fuel(food). I am just saying it, otherwise there is nothing in common between us and a car.
Science is merely keeping up with, and understanding how things are made, like with the development of science, we learn how heart works, how kidneys work, but we are still learning how brain works(Because brain is not fully understood). Science is just learning what Allah has already made, and still learning. But things do not happen by them self.
And people say every thing they have in their mouth about our beloved profet, but if he was just a foolish(naoozubilla), or what ever people say, then how can Quran, the book given to him, said about big band 1400 years ago, which science is still trying figure out. Quran predicted too many things before its time, like Ferro(an evil man) his mummy discovered, Ship of Noha, it is discovered, it was said in Quran 1400 years ago. I don’t have time but i will tell u someother time that there are a lot of predictions in quran that are exactly there, happening now. No human is capable enough to predict such thing in 1400 years time span. there are a lot of scientific explanation in quran that were impossible to 1400 years ago without the knowledge of science(which now science confirms to be true), then how that book fore told such phenomenon, if it was written by a human?
Buy understanding how something happened over the course of time(be it million years or so) through science, doesn’t mean it is science who did it. I my self am a very scientific person I understand.
There is absolutely no reason for any other creatures to develop the same way we did. This is yet more misunderstanding of evolution.
As far as the random car idea goes, I’ll say this: putting it in a room with nothing else will have no results, true. If, however, a hurricane were to pass through a junkyard millions upon millions of times, or even billion upon billions of times, there is the possibility that the right parts will be thrown around at the right time to put a car together, or an airplane, or a toaster for that matter. Scrap metal in a room is a flawed analogy, whereas the random passing of hurricanes on a junkyard is a better one, as it takes into consideration an outside random force of nature.
The big bang is not a confirmed theory, and is merely speculation on what we know so far.
Predictions in the koran? Nostradamus made a lot of predictions as well, it’s really easy to use word games to predict just about anything, it doesn’t mean you’re actually reading into the future. All it is is taking advantage of man’s uncanny desire to know their own futures by playing mind tricks on them.
Science never claimed to DO anything, it merely seeks to understand that which nobody else understood before.
Andre raises some fair points here. The “car analogy” you used has been broken down by Richard dawkins in a book called the blond watchmaker. Also there is no final product of evolution. Every living creature, including man, is an intermediary stage. We will all continue to evolve.
Alright alright I meant blind. Cursed predictive/proximity text.
warning Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 12:22pm
“Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path)”. al baqara(18)
ur thinking is in a small box ,,,,,,, i pray allah to open ur minds and hearts …..
everything is in the quran !!!!! ….
every single thing science has been able to find !!!!!!!!!!…
science evolves around the quran … everything is clear ,,, praise be to god!!!!
In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves). (10)
When it is said to them: “Make not mischief on the earth,” they say: “Why, we only Want to make peace!” (11)
Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise (it) not.(12)
(al baqara 10 – 11)
Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of night and day,- there are indeed Signs “for men of understanding”,- al imran (190)
if u guys wanted to know truth sincerely,,, u will know insha allah,,,…….. i guranty …. u guys just like mocking and wasting your times typing words wich u will grieve and regret in that 6 feet hole!!!! stop wasting time !!!!! read quran (the miracle)
i dare you …. stop acting like deaf dumb blind ,,,,, dnt be in this box .. where u only beleive what you hear ….. jews , control the whole world , they got the media , america , europe …. u just listen to every single it they say about islam ….. think bout ur grade??? have you got a free mind???/ ..,,, deaf dumb blind ,,, dnt be ,,,
god is merciful …… learn about islam and talk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
go to the source !!!! QURAN !!!
“Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path)”. al baqara(18)
ur thinking is in a small box ,,,,,,, i pray allah to open ur minds and hearts …..
everything is in the quran !!!!! ….
every single thing science has been able to find !!!!!!!!!!…
science evolves around the quran … everything is clear ,,, praise be to god!!!!
In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves). (10)
When it is said to them: “Make not mischief on the earth,” they say: “Why, we only Want to make peace!” (11)
Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise (it) not.(12)
(al baqara 10 – 11)
Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of night and day,- there are indeed Signs “for men of understanding”,- al imran (190)
if u guys wanted to know truth sincerely,,, u will know insha allah,,,…….. i guranty …. u guys just like mocking and wasting your times typing words wich u will grieve and regret in that 6 feet hole!!!! stop wasting time !!!!! read quran (the miracle)
i dare you …. stop acting like deaf dumb blind ,,,,, dnt be in this box .. where u only beleive what you hear ….. jews , control the whole world , they got the media , america , europe …. u just listen to every single it they say about islam ….. think bout ur grade??? have you got a free mind???/ ..,,, deaf dumb blind ,,, dnt be ,,,
god is merciful …… learn about islam and talk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
go to the source !!!! QURAN !!! this is the test brothers …. u are been monitored every second!!!!! dnt waste ur time ……… stop talking rubbish and try to have the ilm (knowledge)i warn you!!!!!!!!! stop before u greive and regret!!!!!!1111111111
may god give us hidaayah ,,, …
all muslim brothers and sister!!!!! may god bless you … masha allah!!! …
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
When the victory of Allah has come and the conquest, (1) And you see the people entering into the religion of Allah in multitudes, (2) Then exalt [Him] with praise of your Lord and ask forgiveness of Him. Indeed, He is ever Accepting of repentance. (3) (An-nasr)
Hi “warning” where r u from? what u do? whats ur age?
My dear they will not listen to the warnings of Quran, when they don’t believe I Quran.
They need the so called scientific proof!!. And yet they don’t know that science is not here to prove Islam, but Islam is here to prove science. As science confirms after, what is said centuries ago in Quran and Hadees
Dear Greenworld? are u asking something? These are the questions for science.
I don’t quite understand what u wanted to say, Please elaborate.
If u want the answer to ur questions according to Quran, then its ok, if u ask i will provide u. (even though no religion is here to teach science or confirm it, but our creator Allah, has told the secrets of this world 1400 years ago , so we can recognize him with the power of science. And there was no chance that Muhammad(P.B.U.H) would use scientific equipments in that time to say such facts, that science is confirming now)
for example:
Narrated Abu Huraira: “Allah’s Apostle said, “If a fly falls in the vessel of any of you, let him dip all of it (into the vessel) and then throw it away, for in one of its wings there is a disease and in the other there is healing (antidote for it) i.e. the treatment for that disease.” (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 673)”
Narrated Abu Huraira: “The Prophet said “If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease.” (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 537)”
How could Muhammad (P.B.U.H) could have said such a thing 1400 years back, with out any scientific equipment, and science now confirms it. Who would say that if a House fly falls into your food, instead of taking it out immediately, one should intentionally dip it in. Human logic would say no, this is wrong. But now as we have science we confirmed that Muhammad(P.B.U.H) said correct.
this is only one example, there are a lot many examples like these in islamic teachings
Its not me, your science says so(and was said by Prophet centuries ago). The fly carries the germs on its one wing, and cure (antibiotic) for the same type of germs on the other wing. Be it bacteria, virus etc. so by dipping it in, the effect cancels itself
It is scientifically proven by non muslim scientist.
No Hammad, it doesn’t work that way. Flies are filthy creatures that carry bacteria ALL OVER their bodies, and may transmit other contagions and parasites through their faeces, bites or even by contaminating food with their eggs.
This “antidote on the wing” idea is preposterous and has no basis in modern science.
u question is the same as, “have u seen atom, electron, neutron, if not then why u believe it”. We believe it because it is scientific fact, we read about atoms and stuff. But when the reference is from Prophet, we dont agree, even if it is scientifically proven.
we just say: Muhammad, the lord of Flies(Nao-zu-billah)
or just blow away the topic by just saying,: “eww! its disgusting, who would spoil his food”. etc.
My dear Hal, i am not saying this to u, but this is what those people say who don’t want to believe. Reference is there, research is there, no one can defy it.
This right here is why for the most part I refuse to even try with you people.
You have absolutely no basic understanding of modern science, yet claim that you do with posts like your more recent ones.
You make bad analogies and you present bad science. Quite frankly I wouldn’t even call it science.
The closest thing to the crap you’re saying about flies is that a snake bite, for one example, which is venomous and can harm humans, can often be cured by extracting venom from the same type of snake and engineering an antivirus from it. This takes lots of work, and is not as simple as you make it sound with your comments about flies.
Hi Andre, what is ur qualification?
“You have absolutely no basic understanding of modern science, yet claim that you do with posts like your more recent ones.”
how qualified u think u r brat?
And if u disagree, then prove me wrong!!!! bring any scientific evidence that proves me wrong SCIENTIFICALLY!!!
This is no reply: “that i dont believe in this bulshit etc.”
Some idiot like your self must have said the same thing back in those days, when some scients were researching the snakes venom.
and it is not like creating medicine from flies, but the Prophet meant was that, if the fly accidentally falls in the drink, to nullify the harmful germs in the fly, one should dip it fully, and then through the fly away.
see, i quoted the reference here for ur convenience:
“Ordinarily when a fly touches a liquid food it infects the liquid with its pathogens, so it must be dipped in order to release also the antidote for those pathogens to act as a counter balance to the pathogens. ”
this line is taken from yet another website:
http://www.islam-a2z.com/some_of_the_prophet.htm
I have heard that a non-muslim scientist tested 100 scientific sayings of Muhammad (P.B.U.H), and out of 100, 97 were true. And the for the other 3, he never mind testing, because it was enough proof. Saying about the “Fly”, was also one of them
I chose to ignore your helpful links since I prefer to do my own research. A website with the word islam in it is hardly going to be neutral, and you’ve already shown your eagerness to accept substandard proofs as absolute.
You mentioned several times that the qur’an can prove its miracle by describing the big bang.
I’m guessing you’re refering to surat al-anbiya (21: the prophets). Here are the relevant verses for those who want a quick reference:
21:30 Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then we parted them,..
21:33 And he it is who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They float, each in orbit.
If you submitted the above text to any scientific academy as proof of the description of the big bang, you would be laughed out of the building.
First of all, it’s vague and sparce on details, do you not agree? Before you give me your spiel about the difference between tafsir and ta’wil I should direct you to a more likely source to the origin of this notion.
I recommend you read some Greek mythology. In particular, the story of the castration of Uranus by the titan Cronus.
In the Greek myths, it was believed that Uranus (the sky) permanently enveloped Gaia (the earth) and endlessly coupled with her. This coupling caused her to become impregnated with the first generation of titans, the problem was that he never ceased to couple and these titans became trapped within her, causing great discomfort. As an act of desperation, Gaia created within her a sickle that she gave to her trapped unborn titan, Cronus, so he may castrate his father Uranus, freeing all the titans within Gaia and CAUSING THE HEAVEN TO PART FROM EARTH, therefore creating the horizon. That is quite clearly the basis for the above verses, but modified to suit a monotheistic culture.
Looking at the verse 33, one should immediately notice that the sun is INCORRECTLY described as “floating” or orbiting around a seemingly fixed earth (this point is reiterated time and again throughout the qur’an).
You can use that clue to establish that the “perspective” of the qur’an is an earthbound one looking up at the sky, further proving it was written by men, not a god that encompasses all of time and space.
Hal, just letting you know… I’m sorry for what I said a few months ago. I just thought someone was impersonating you, but then I saw that that “impostor” had the same user icon as yours, so.. yeah.
Anyway, keep it up with your arguments. It’s good to have an ex-Muslim (assuming you were) proving these silly people wrong. You’re much better at this than I am. So thanks!
That’s cool. Thanks for understanding. I thought it was an impostor because of how Andre reacted to it.
Do you have an account on the forums? I would like to add you to my instant messengers (if you use any). Just PM me there and I’ll give you my screen names.
1: Ok do your research on the saying about the “Fly”. And also please inform me about ur findings. But I won’t accept any biased response from those who don’t experiment and just say things. Ok?
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2: Now secondly u referenced some verses:
a)——-Hal u r wrong again. One can not understand the meaning of quran correctly, just by reading its translation, without the full knowledge of Hadith. Hadith interprets Quran(and u said it yourself). I know this might not convince u, bc even some Muslims in the modern era are not accepting this fact, because they say we got brains and we can understand mere translation of quran, and they eventually interpret it wrong. It ok, it’s ok. Not ur fault, u won’t listen.
There are numerous places where the meaning of the quran even reverses(If a common reader reinterprets it), that’s why we have scholars who interpret islam properly.
B)——Sun is flotation in the universe. isn’t it?
It seems alright to me, I mean sun is not placed on a horizontal surface, it is floating in space. And so are all the planets. (This is very right, and considering the time when it was said, it’s a miracle for a man of that era to say such a thing, unless wisdom was relayed to him by Allah)
c)——And every thing is rotating in its orbit, isn’t it?
Quran is true here also. Think about it, if this book was just a fraud, then who could have said such thing as floating around their orbit, 1400 years ago?
d)——U said: “Looking at the verse 33, one should immediately notice that the sun is INCORRECTLY described as “floating” or orbiting around a SEEMINGLY FIXED EARTH (this point is reiterated time and again throughout the qur’an)”.
I have read again the translation, just now (the world earth, is not even used in that verse), it is not mentioned any where in verse #33, nor it seem like, that earth is fixed. I am quoting the translation of verse# 33, directly from quran here:
“The one Allah, who created day and night, sun and the moon. Each one of them is floating in THEIR OWN orbit”
Other translation would be:
“He is the one who created day and night, sun and the moon. Each one of them is floating in THEIR RESPECTIVE orbit”
So it is clear that each has its own orbit, not one orbit, i.e., And in this verse it is written no where that they are orbiting the “earth”. If that were the case then this verse would not have specifically mentioned “THEIR OWN orbit”. (Again considering the time when it was said, it’s a miracle for a man of that era to say such a thing)
And the word “ORBIT” confirms that they are not fixed but moving, as u might have assumed them to be fixed buy misinterpreting the word floating(as object floating on the surface of the sea, may be misinterpreted as stationary).
I am afraid to say that your interpretation was wrong!
In the whole quran, there is not a single verse which specifically say that sun revolve around the earth. (As far as my knowledge goes)
Also in normal speech we sometime (in fact most of the time) use earth as our reference point, and say sun to be moving. We do not mean it literally, but we just keep the old convention, like for instance:
“sun will rise from the east”
OR
“sun is at the top at 12 O’clock”
OR
“I feel so sad when the sun is drowning in the ocean” etc.
These are just used as a figure of speech, like we normally do in our daily language. Same is the case in Quran. I am not talking about this verse # 33. Because this verse is crystal clear, because it specifically relates, orbit and stuff, that’s why it was written clearly.
But in other cases, where the reason is not to specifically relate the planets, then casual figure of speech might be used, where it may seem like the earth is fixed and sun is orbiting it. It’s a common sense.
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3: U are quite right that the information is VAGUE AND SPARSE on details, as there are reasons:
1)–because as I said earlier, to fully understand it u have to have full knowledge of Arabic language and Hadith. For this reason there are Muslim scholars who have inherited this knowledge directly from Muhammad(P.B.U.H), they can understand Arabic fully. And this knowledge is passed on from generation to generation. An Islamic scholar is ONLY the one who can tell his generations back till Muhammad (P.B.U.H). Any other person who learnt Islam on his own is not an Islamic scholar.
2)—When u see: E=mc2, no one say that it is “VAGUE AND SPARSE” because it is just a result of a lot of research, every body believes it. Similarly, in the Holy Quran, only E=mc2 sort of thing is written, the main thing not the whole story, as the agenda of the book is different, it is not here to explain scientific phenomenon. Also Arabic is a very complex, artistic and poetical language by nature! A single word can mean a host of meanings. So only the one with true knowledge of Arabic fully understands it.
3)—A religion and its Book is there to instruct his believers how to follow the religion, so quran is not here to speak the topics of science or to prove it, this book was written for entirely different purpose, even then it is true to science. Like big bang, Islam has nothing to do with it, but to provide just the idea to people, how their earth was created, hint was given in quran by Allah (But how can a man think of such a thing in that era???),
4)—And by the way science also have no concrete evidence of Big Bang, research is still on its way, neither the evolution of man form single cellular organism is scientifically proven. They are all theories, and are doubtful, like light: being wave nature or particle nature or both!
4: U know it’s a miracle of this book that it easily gets memorized (the entire book!). Even a 6,7 year old can do it(in just 1.5 to 2 years only). I have also memorized 15 chapters. (Half of quran).
It seems impossible. But Allah has said that he made is easy for us to remember.
The whole quran man!!!
I am tired now, I haven’t slept because I was typing u this reply. And I also have to submit my Master’s thesis soon, so I will be busy for few days. But if I get some time I will reply to your questions.
And Hal, were u Muslim initially and converted to atheism? Bc Greenworld said so
So I can see that only the first little bit about the fly is directed at me. I’ve done this research. I know how this works. I HAVE to know how this works as I spend weeks at a time in the woods sometimes, it’s just knowledge that comes with the hobby.
Furthermore, don’t tell us that we need to do research when we tell you that you’re wrong, as your only source is a 1400 year old book with no basis in modern science whatsoever.
B. Okay, the first person to say that the earth circled the sun lived over 2000 years ago, not your prophet. The knowledge was there, it was just more commonly rejected as Christianity was the powerhouse religion for all of those years.
C. Not everything orbits the sun, just the planets within our solar system. Our sun is just another star in a galaxy of billions of stars, and our galaxy is just another galaxy in a universe of billions of galaxies. Our sun isn’t even close at all to the centre of our own galaxy, let alone the universe.
D. It’s no miracle at all for someone to say these things 1400 years ago! The idea is over 2000 years old!!
Somewhat related: how old does the koran say that the earth is?
Why exactly are some verses in your book “crystal clear” while others are “normal speech” as you have put it here? Shouldn’t they all be crystal clear? Why would a god as you define one write a book like this? Wouldn’t he be beyond “normal speech”?
1. So only a “true islamic scholar” can read the koran, but then you exclude the fact that these guys can also just decide what it means based on what they want it to mean. They don’t have to tell you what it really says, they could just as easily add to it if they wanted to.
2. You cannot compare Einstein’s famous equation to your book, they have nothing to do with one another.
3. Again, ideas about a big bang aren’t all that new. It’s not at all extraordinary for these ideas to be floating around back then, IF they even did at all, because like I said, your “true islamic scholars” can change the koran whenever they please and you’ll blindly believe them when they said the passage was always there.
4. So what you’re saying is, because science doesn’t know EVERYTHING, your book automatically does? It doesn’t work that way, bud.
4.2 I could memorize any book with enough practice. A few years ago I could easily recide pi to 35 decimal places. Your book isn’t special. In fact I know a few people who have entire chapters of The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy memorized. Does that make Douglas Adams a holy prophet and his book a holder of ultimate truths?
who told u that i have no scientific knowledge. I am compairing the old book to modern science.
Just going to woods doesn’t mean that us can see microscopic stuff, or u take the whole laboratory with u?lol
or your research is just limited to visual entertainment!!
Fool, this in not how modern research is done, u have to have a lab. Mr. Tarzan
and look who is talking “don’t tell US that we need to do research when we tell you that you’re wrong”.
who is this “Us”? i mean u and what army?
“I know how this works. I HAVE to know how this works as I spend weeks at a time in the woods sometimes, it’s just knowledge that comes with the hobby.”
so will our little Mr.Tarzan explain us Muslims (stone aged people), how u performed ur research in jungle? as u said u know how it works.
Wow.
You really are stupid.
Did I say I did the research in the woods?
No.
I said I did the research, because I have to know these things if I’m going to spend time in the woods.
You fucking moron.
Now u spilled it out, ur true self that is. “like u said you **** moron”.
All ur arguments r wrong.
1:what you researched, what was the experimental setup, and what were the results when u dipped the fly
2: what is the name of that person, who said 2000 years ago about the earth revolving the sun? any historical reference? evidence about the existence of that man?
3: U said by referring me that “C. Not everything orbits the sun, just the planets within our solar system.”. Oh man, u ignorance knows no limits. Who on earth told u that i said every thing revolves around the sun. I was giving the explanation of the translation of verse # 33 of surah “Al-Ambiya”. Where is it said every thing is floating in ITS OWN ORBIT. I never said that every thing revolves around sun.
4: u asked how old is the earth according to quran, well I don’t know yet, but i will find it for u. Yes it is said that earth was there before the creation of ADAM, even 1000s of years back. and at that time jinnat used to live on eath, and they are created out of fire
5: I said, when in ur own language, u are saying some scientific fact, or explain some scientific phenomenon, u use precise words to explain the situation. but when u r talking casually, this to not hold true, as i gave the examples above. As quran is also written in some language(Arabic), so it also uses the same concept. U deliberately asked that question, though I made it clear earlier. thats because truth heart ur feelings
6: Andre why u go to school, college or university? why are there teacher, professors, when there are books available?. U have the book, u can read and understand it, why do we need to have schools and universities? One can read himself?
The reason is simple, one cannot understand fully from the book unless some one teach it.Take any subject, teacher is required.
Similarly an Islamic Scholar is the one who teaches Quran and Hadith. so simple yet ur thick brain….
7: It is the honor of E=mc2 that I used it to explain the concept about the comprehensive nature of Quran.
8. u said “So what you’re saying is, because science doesn’t know EVERYTHING, your book automatically does? It doesn’t work that way, bud.”
science is just a child which is still developing. It just says that it has merely understood just how things work, needless to say, science still has to move a long way to understand how we, our self work fully!! Science can tell how tings are done, but can never tell who did it.
9: U said”I could memorize any book with enough practice. A few years ago I could easily recide pi to 35 decimal places. Your book isn’t special. In fact I know a few people who have entire chapters of The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy memorized.
Dude don’t make me laugh. remembering pi to 35 decimal places, tells how stupid u r to waste ur time over nothing. secondly, this is nothing compared to memorizing Quran. pi to 35 decimals equals to just 2 or three verses of quran(merely 2 to 3 lines). And to non arab it is similar to memorize, pi to more than million decimal place. as memorizing non native language is even more difficult to memorize.
And u mentioned memorizing,”Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy”. Please be informed, i am saying, memorizing word by word, not just narrating the tale. I memorized word by word half of quran. And we listen to each others quran in Holy Ramadan Month of ramadan. I mean, one person recites while other listens, without looking the book, and even the error of an alphabet in this listening process is considered as mistake!! Its miracle.
Sorry dude, if I hurt your feelings. I am sorry if I said u a “Tarzan” or “ignorant fool” or “Brat”. These words really have nothing to do with our conversation.
what is ur qualification?
“You have absolutely no basic understanding of modern science, yet claim that you do with posts like your more recent ones.”
how qualified u think u r brat?
And if u disagree, then prove me wrong!!!! bring any scientific evidence that proves me wrong SCIENTIFICALLY!!!
This is no reply: “that i dont believe in this bulshit etc.”
Some idiot like your self must have said the same thing back in those days, when some scients were researching the snakes venom.
and it is not like creating medicine from flies, but the Prophet meant was that, if the fly accidentally falls in the drink, to nullify the harmful germs in the fly, one should dip it fully, and then through the fly away.
Truly, there is not.
Oh but wait, reading OTHER books other than your koran and it’s related garbage WOULD be a sort of “medicine” for stupidity!
Dipping the fly in completely would just add more germs, not get rid of them. Have fun getting sick and enjoy your fly larvae infused water. I’m sure it’s delicious!
Hammad:
There are a few movies that you should watch.
They’re more directed towards Christianity, but the basic premise applies to islam as well.
The Root of all Evil – Richard Dawkins
Religulous – Bill Maher
The Genius of Charles Darwin – Richard Dawkins
I’ll come back with more to add to this list when I find the titles. If you want science, this is where you’re going to get it. There was a special on TV on our discovery channel recently with Stephen Hawking as well, I’ll see if I can find the title of that, it will respond to a lot of your comments you’ve made here.
I think the documentary you’re referring to, with Hawking and Dawkins is called Genius of Britain, unless if there’s a newer one I’m not aware of. GoB has 5 episodes and is definitely worth a watch.
I think they’re two different ones, as I’ve been meaning to find the one you’ve just mentioned as well. Genius of Darwin is a 2 parter and it loosely follows Darwin’s life and his voyages on The Beagle, but mostly looks at his accomplishments.
There was a film made last year about the life of Darwin. It’s called “Creation”. Could have been much better but probably still worth a watch. The Genius of Darwin is much better.
Genius of Britain basically summarizes the accomplishments of Britain’s greatest scientists from the 17th century to date.
Co-presented by various scientists including Hawking & Dawkins.
They even interview each other in an almost surreal scene where Hawking asks Dawkins what is his obsession with God.
I’ll definitely have to find both of these then. I have several others including The Four Horsemen and The Enemies of Reason that I have yet to watch as well.
made by allah for allah Tuesday November 16th, 2010 @ 6:26pm
these books are written by the devil they are lies that fooled man
Hammad look! Another future-telling prophet!
http://www.wimp.com/predictingfuture/
Wow, it’s absolutely a miracle that someone in the ’60s could have these ideas of the future!
How amazing!
Islam is a fastest growing religion due to some reason, because it is true religion. U will see when death with come, then your screams and sorrow wont do any thing. Like ferro did, when he was dying due to drowning.
And Allah said in Quran that I will preserve his body as a symbol for others, so his body was found lately and is in the Museum.
Those people existed, as indicated buy Islamic teachings, but they disobeyed Allah, and were destroyed, the way they were destroyed is also written in Islamic history, and they are being discovered now, but we Muslims know 1400 years back!!!
U may say, we are disobeying too, why don’t we get destroyed, it is because Muhammad (P.B.U.H) prayed that my people till the end of time should not be eradicated on mass scale like other nations got wiped out entirely. other wise according to the so called “Darwin theory of :the survival of the fittest”, they should have survived till now, bc they were better then us in strength.
Same goes with the ship of Noah. being discovered now, but mentioned way earlier in Islam that it got discovered. with shape and structure matched as described in islam. And surprisingly it is your science that even futher validates the time period of these prehistoric stuff through carbon dating or what so ever.
But what can we say, u are already filled with hate, i say the “glass of water is Half Full”, but your thinking say no!, “The glass of water is Half empty”
The images you have linked are fake, and were proven to be so a long time ago. Look at the tags on the images! Worth1000 is a popular photoshop website where amateurs across the world make interesting images with photoshop and other image editing software. Others say copyright 2000 cornell university program of computer graphics. Come on, now you’re just falling prey to even more than your silly book.
As for you next point, that is NOT at all what Darwin’s theory dealt with. What you are talking about now is social darwinism and we atheists reject that concept wholeheartedly.
When did they discover noah’s ark? That boat never existed but by all means show me some papers on the subject. Science does not validate your theories through carbon dating. Don’t make me laugh.
Hell, the article you linked states that Brahma created those giant people, not allah. Good job with that one. Did you read that page or just look at the pictures?
I also have to wonder if you read the disclaimer at the bottom of the page.
” The content that is published contains rumors, nicotine, speculation, beautiful girls, funny pictures, assumptions, opinions, ugly people, and factual information. Postings may contain erroneous or inaccurate information.”
Only some of the posts on this website are factual, but apparently most of them are just for a fun read, or a joke. Today you’ve only proven your incredible lack of an ability to do any sort of proper research.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071214-giant-skeleton_2.html
Here’s the source that the website you linked cites.
Hoax.
Way to fuck up, bud.
You really blew it this time.
Here, you don’t even have to go to my link to read the best part.
How the Image Was Made
IronKite started with an aerial photo of a mastodon excavation in Hyde Park, New York, in 2000. He then digitally superimposed a human skeleton over the beast’s remains.
The later addition of a digging man presented the biggest technical challenge.
“If you look, he’s holding a yellow-handled shovel, but there’s nothing on the end,” IronKite said.
“Originally, the spade end was there. But [it] looked like it was occupying the exact same space as the skeleton’s temple, making the whole thing look fake.
“Now it looks like he’s just holding a stick, and people don’t notice. It’s funny.”
IronKite also altered the color of the man’s clothing to create a “uniform tie-in” with the white-shirted observer peering down from the wooden platform.
The two figures work to exaggerate the scale of the skeleton, he added.
(Related: “Shark ‘Photo of the Year’ Is E-Mail Hoax” [March 8, 2005].)
IronKite said he’s tickled that the picture—which took only about an hour and a half to create—has generated so much Internet attention.
“I laugh myself silly when some guy claims to know someone who was there, or even goes so far as to claim that he or she was there when they found the skeleton and took the picture,” IronKite said.
“Sometimes people seem so desperate to believe in something that they lie to themselves, or exaggerate in order to make their own argument stronger.”
this time i am with andre i had read about this before all of you in one of egyptian newspaper
quraan say that Folk of aad Sculpture houses in the mountains also thier bodies were Enormous
I. .. After eight hours of death wrapped leg to leg. And tends nose .. And stiffened organs
II .. After 12 hours of death … Blood accumulates in the elbows
and knees , .. In mid back of the body
III … After three days … Bloated abdomen from the decomposition of materials
IV .. Two weeks after … Burst abdomen Badawi Maktoum troubleshooting fluids and materials dissolved ..
V. … After four weeks … Melt the eyes, falling teeth .. And drops the scalp and eyelashes, and eyebrows.
VI … Three months after the body becomes like gel .. So that the features disappear .. It is difficult to distinguish between the head and feet
VII .. 6 months after the body begins to melt and mix with the soil
VIII .. After a full year .. You can only find the bones and begin to fade out in this period
IX .. No remains of the body but coffin
so after our death with few period we became soil dust
this is was the idea of pharoah Mummification they protect the body or bones of the body from decomposition of its materials and islam say that we created from dust and after death nothing will remain but dust but islam did not say search about ancient people or they may be exist anything from them until now
also the images were so normal it was Skeleton but with zoom there is no missing parts lik Mummies and other ancient stuff so it is fake
it is impossible to find body since thousands of years without cover
Its ok. Those figures might not be true. I admit. And Andre, I have already seen that url:http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071214-giant-skeleton_2.html,,before sending u the posts. But its very human nature to cover up things they gather, and tell them as hoax. But it might not be true as u said.
And muslim girl, what about the bones of the dinosaurs. Just asking for info, how their remains were found?
For some thing to be called as scientific phenomenon, there are different stages into which the problem goes through, like abstract/Idea, hypothesis, experimentation etc. When something gets experimentally proven, then it is tested under numerous conditions. Then it becomes a fundamental law or truth.
But in the case of Big Bang, only idea, and hypothesis is there, No experimental evidence. And yet u believe in it so much.
This in not how science works.
2ndly, We have no experimental evidence that human evolution was from single cellar organism. And u guys curse time, that it is a time consuming phenomenon, so cannot be tested experimentally. If cannot be tested, then it is not scientific phenomenon.
i asked questions about evolution earlier, and no body dared to answer them. Hal tried to answer(by wrongly interpreting my message) but then my response(clarification) to his reply was unanswered(i am pasting my “clarification” in my next post again).
Without experimentation, it is no science, but stupid theories by the scientists. like Darwin theory, that got rejected, and so will the evolution theory, some day.
whether Big bang exists or not, whether sun revolves around the earth or earth revolves around the sun, this has nothing to do with quran and islam. Though hint of big bang is provided in the quran. And it is not specifically mentioned any where about the rotation of the sun around the earth or opposite.
Because it is a religious book, it basically has nothing to do with science, yet what this book says do not conflict with science.
Ur beliefs just revolve around untested theories
And yes about the bones of huge skeleton, I believed that they might not the actual stuff, as u said, because in Quran it is never said that Allah preserved those large skeletons.
whether Big bang exists or not, whether sun revolves around the earth or earth revolves around the sun, this has nothing to do with quran and islam. Though hint of big bang is provided in the quran. And it is not specifically mentioned any where about the rotation of the sun around the earth or opposite.
I thought I cited the passages from the Koran supporting such a claim? In case you overlooked them, here they are again: 21:33 & 35:13
All I ask is how you can rationalize this? Because it appears to be a literal assumption. And since Muslims claim that the Koran is the “Word of God”, wouldn’t this contradict his alleged “infinite knowledge”? Please answer me this.
“Looks link u r the only one who I can reason with. I tried to open the link, but request timed out. I will try again some other time.
1:what i wanted to say was, as humans development took a very very long time, to be into its final form, as u say. My question was that, at the very beginning, there should also have to be other species that should have evolved during that much time, i.e., similar to humans, why aren’t they there any?
I specifically mentioned that animals also adapt to the environment they live in. I love to see the documentaries,national geographic, etc. For instance see this interesting crow video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGPGknpq3e0
here crow has adapted his way of life to cities. He even understands signal lights. I know all this stuff, but crow have been here for thousands of years now, but it haven’t developed neither physically nor mentally. but the development is only limited to a very little experience. Like if u pet some animal, he will recognize u.It means they learn. But it is not something that we do. I am here not talking about mental growth, but also physical growth. Like cockroaches, they are said to be there during the time of dinosaurs, 354–295 million years ago(Wikipedia). But none of them have evolved to be as intelligent as us or even close to us. Similarly there would have to be alot of animals, that would have been evolving in parallel with humans till the ancient times, but non are there. Ok I believe to some extent that their sizes might have gone bigger or smaller, but main stuff remains the same. yes every creature adapts it self to its environment, to survive, like that crow in you tube.
2: There is always some scientific phenomenon against every process, it is also written in Quran about big bang, it did happened(If u wanted the verse, i will provide). But who imitated the process, and such a complicated phenomenon have been working since millions of years passed, and being working flawlessly, it is surprising that there is no one to do it. Like i gave u the example of CAR, made automatically when some metal was put in a sealed room. it is not possible. What our science says about it? it also says that if u put some metal in closed room, even after trillion years, no car will be formed, or no nothing will form. Because it need some one to process it man. to make pistons(heart), to make light(eyes), to have exhaust(waste), to have a need for fuel(food). I am just saying it, otherwise there is nothing in common between us and a car.
Science is merely keeping up with, and understanding how things are made, like with the development of science, we learn how heart works, how kidneys work, but we are still learning how brain works(Because brain is not fully understood). Science is just learning what Allah has already made, and still learning. But things do not happen by them self.
And people say every thing they have in their mouth about our beloved profet, but if he was just a foolish(naoozubilla), or what ever people say, then how can Quran, the book given to him, said about big band 1400 years ago, which science is still trying figure out. Quran predicted too many things before its time, like Ferro(an evil man) his mummy discovered, Ship of Noha, it is discovered, it was said in Quran 1400 years ago. I don’t have time but i will tell u someother time that there are a lot of predictions in quran that are exactly there, happening now. No human is capable enough to predict such thing in 1400 years time span. there are a lot of scientific explanation in quran that were impossible to 1400 years ago without the knowledge of science(which now science confirms to be true), then how that book fore told such phenomenon, if it was written by a human?
Buy understanding how something happened over the course of time(be it million years or so) through science, doesn’t mean it is science who did it. I my self am a very scientific person I understand.
“These guys have already gotten the answer worked out ahead of time,” he said, “and then they go out to prove it.” – Quote from the second link.
This is not the scientific method, this is backwards.
I doubt you’ll read any of these, but now you can’t say this information isn’t readily available.
I say again, you do not know how to perform proper research. There are dozens more pages like the four I’ve linked here, a quick google search will find them easily. Amazingly one of these sites appears to be a religious website itself, denouncing the find as a hoax. The writer himself is a Christian.
Why do you do this? Why do you ask us to provide our research when you can’t even properly research something yourself?
I’ll add that this seems not to have been proven to certainly be a hoax as of yet, but I’m confident more information will appear in years to come that will debunk this find even more. There is already way more than enough information to suspend judgement, and lean toward disbelief of the claim.
Thank you for the compliment Hammad, my default stance with new people is that of respect until I feel they’ve lost their right to it. You’ve been polite and respectful to me so far so I will extend the same courtesy.
I’m quite busy at the moment but I will set aside any plans this evening to answer as many of your questions as I am able to.
As for your older post on evolution, I gave an answer to part (A) and the first half of (B) further up the page. Maybe comment #235 or thereabouts. I will add to it over the next few days but it’s somewhat difficult until I get my laptop back.
on a separate note, I was asked by you and Greenworld about my background. Well my parents are Palestinians, I grew up in Kuwait as a Muslim. Became somewhat interested in history, theology and nature in my early 20s. That led me to question the inconsistencies I could see with religion. Confirmed atheism soon followed. That’s my story in a nutshell.
Only my dad is Muslim, but he’s fairly moderate. And I’m about 50% Palestinian (from his side, of course). Also, you said something about you having long hair? Mine is long too, in case that sparks any mutual interest between the two of us. However, I never was a Muslim. Instead, I was a Christian (thanks to the majority of my family members being raised Catholic and then becoming born-again Evangelicals) when I believed.
Now u spilled it out, ur true self that is. “like u said you **** moron”.
All ur arguments r wrong.
1:what you researched, what was the experimental setup, and what were the results when u dipped the fly
2: what is the name of that person, who said 2000 years ago about the earth revolving the sun? any historical reference? evidence about the existence of that man?
3: U said by referring me that “C. Not everything orbits the sun, just the planets within our solar system.”. Oh man, u ignorance knows no limits. Who on earth told u that i said every thing revolves around the sun. I was giving the explanation of the translation of verse # 33 of surah “Al-Ambiya”. Where is it said every thing is floating in ITS OWN ORBIT. I never said that every thing revolves around sun.
4: u asked how old is the earth according to quran, well I don’t know yet, but i will find it for u. Yes it is said that earth was there before the creation of ADAM, even 1000s of years back. and at that time jinnat used to live on eath, and they are created out of fire
5: I said, when in ur own language, u are saying some scientific fact, or explain some scientific phenomenon, u use precise words to explain the situation. but when u r talking casually, this to not hold true, as i gave the examples above. As quran is also written in some language(Arabic), so it also uses the same concept. U deliberately asked that question, though I made it clear earlier. thats because truth heart ur feelings
6: Andre why u go to school, college or university? why are there teacher, professors, when there are books available?. U have the book, u can read and understand it, why do we need to have schools and universities? One can read himself?
The reason is simple, one cannot understand fully from the book unless some one teach it.Take any subject, teacher is required.
Similarly an Islamic Scholar is the one who teaches Quran and Hadith. so simple yet ur thick brain….
7: It is the honor of E=mc2 that I used it to explain the concept about the comprehensive nature of Quran.
8. u said “So what you’re saying is, because science doesn’t know EVERYTHING, your book automatically does? It doesn’t work that way, bud.”
science is just a child which is still developing. It just says that it has merely understood just how things work, needless to say, science still has to move a long way to understand how we, our self work fully!! Science can tell how tings are done, but can never tell who did it.
9: U said”I could memorize any book with enough practice. A few years ago I could easily recide pi to 35 decimal places. Your book isn’t special. In fact I know a few people who have entire chapters of The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy memorized.
Dude don’t make me laugh. remembering pi to 35 decimal places, tells how stupid u r to waste ur time over nothing. secondly, this is nothing compared to memorizing Quran. pi to 35 decimals equals to just 2 or three verses of quran(merely 2 to 3 lines). And to non arab it is similar to memorize, pi to more than million decimal place. as memorizing non native language is even more difficult to memorize.
And u mentioned memorizing,”Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy”. Please be informed, i am saying, memorizing word by word, not just narrating the tale. I memorized word by word half of quran. And we listen to each others quran in Holy Ramadan Month of ramadan. I mean, one person recites while other listens, without looking the book, and even the error of an alphabet in this listening process is considered as mistake!! Its miracle.
Sorry dude, if I hurt your feelings. I am sorry if I said u a “Tarzan” or “ignorant fool” or “Brat”. These words really have nothing to do with our conversation.
Thursday August 12th, 2010 @ 6:57am
Fuck off Hasib. Would you people stop invoking me?
I’m trying to balance the universe and you’re a distraction!
Friday August 27th, 2010 @ 11:54pm
Fuck you allah. look at your religion, it is messy up this beautiful world. repent or go to hell just like your fucking parents, grand parents and etc
Tuesday August 31st, 2010 @ 9:40pm
wat no no no no no no u r sooooo dumb to say that
islam is beautiful in everyway god is one so respect that
u dont see A single muslim cussing out ur religion okay den
all im asking 4 u 2 do is not 2 tlk bad bout allah
if ur not gonna say something good dont say it at all
Tuesday August 31st, 2010 @ 10:16pm
Why can’t he? This site is all for free speech. You also have the right to say that atheists are “evil” and “immoral” people (even though that’s far from the truth, compared to the brutal savagery carried out in the name of your God throughout history).
Saturday August 14th, 2010 @ 6:13am
TO. Writer and reader
SORRY FOR YOU .YOU DONT KNOW ENYTHING ABOUT ISLAM.
DONT KNOW ABOUT .MOHAMMAD. THE LAST MASNGER.
Because illiteracy , YOU DONT KNOW HISTORY
ALL THE ISLAM IS Kindness .
YOU ARE LAIR AND YOU DON believe GOD.
Saturday August 14th, 2010 @ 6:36am
Yes because illiteracy. Very good.
Saturday August 14th, 2010 @ 9:11am
A liar? Please, do tell about my lies..
Saturday August 14th, 2010 @ 1:40pm
No no, he said lair. You are lair. I think it might be an obscure way of calling you a whore.
Saturday August 14th, 2010 @ 4:26pm
I didn’t know we were all lairs! And who is this “Don” that you speak of? Sounds like the Mafia to me… better go now.
Wednesday August 18th, 2010 @ 7:09pm
…says the person who writes in mosty capitals…
Friday August 27th, 2010 @ 11:56pm
muslim you are bending so much for what. you must direct the right direction to face allah or a dead bloack. please you are educated. dont listen to your parents they are dead and are in hell. killing others is not what you should be doing. come and know the true GOD
Sunday August 15th, 2010 @ 10:29pm
when did u make this site?
Sunday August 15th, 2010 @ 11:31pm
What makes you immediately jump to the conclusion that someone had to make this site? Just because it exists, does not imply that it was created!!
Monday August 16th, 2010 @ 3:11am
This site is akbar. Ian is its prophet.
Monday August 16th, 2010 @ 7:36am
Praise be to me.
Monday August 16th, 2010 @ 10:53am
So Ian (pbuh), how would you like to have me set you up with my niece?
She’s only 6 so you might need to wait a couple of years.
Then we can go behead a few unbelievers and rip down some idols.
I invited Gabriel and Iblis but they haven’t got back to me yet.
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 2:28pm
this is poroof that atheists are religion… they WORSHIP the devil!!!
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 5:54pm
No abdul, this is proof that you have no sense of humour.
Monday August 16th, 2010 @ 1:31pm
shut up you idiot ..
you mindless idiot ..
wht do you get out of this and fighting nuthing ..
so wht do it ?
brainless… tht is wht you lot are
Monday August 16th, 2010 @ 2:07pm
Who? Us? Yeah I suppose we are fighting nothing.
Monday August 16th, 2010 @ 2:08pm
In a certain sense, that is.
Monday August 16th, 2010 @ 8:21pm
@andre i was just asking when he made this site?? wats UR problem??
Monday August 16th, 2010 @ 8:38pm
This makes me wonder why you’re the only one who didn’t understand the joke.
Wednesday August 18th, 2010 @ 8:57am
islam is peacefull islam is not violent some people talk too much about islam without knowing anything about it except what they hear or see in the media dont beleive evreything the media say if you was a christian(Religious christian) you would be angry if someone made cartoons that is insalting to jesus so we have the right to be angry and the people who did this must be punished
Wednesday August 18th, 2010 @ 9:07am
Wednesday August 18th, 2010 @ 11:20pm
Haha, Buddy Jesus!! I loved that movie, man! Kevin Smith is a damn funny/good director & actor, I’ll give him that.
Wednesday August 18th, 2010 @ 11:19am
Look at the bookends of your post. Now bow your head in shame and walk away.
Friday August 27th, 2010 @ 11:58pm
come to Christ. He is truftfully peaceful not like islam teaching you to kill. you are now in the new generatuion wake up you fool.
Saturday August 28th, 2010 @ 3:18am
Sure I’ll come to christ. Come all over his face.
Wednesday August 18th, 2010 @ 7:13pm
I suppose members of the peaceful religions are supposed to yell and kill others, and attempt to enforce laws which permit raping women, stoning them, etc. and then expect us to respect them after they’ve yelled and killed the unbelievers right?
Wednesday August 18th, 2010 @ 10:02pm
you cant reach to anywhere with this islam-hating.
let me explain why islam is religion of the kind.
because many christian country went to africa and stole their everything and took them to their own country. when their people were being more rich african was dying because of poorness.(france,spain,england,usa,netherland,soviet union,belgium,austrialia,yugoslavia,denmark,portugal) but its not common to say that christians are devil for muslims. cause we know this religion is send by god too. and people make mistakes.
then now do you think islam is the worst thing on the world because of bad behavours of iran? or some terrorists using islam(read care i dont say muslim terrorist get the difference) to own some men who is ready to give his life to him?
you think this way cuz some rich media bosses want you to think this way. everybody knows what is happening in middle-east. but if you ask the question who are the monsters? the answer is going to be false.
Wednesday August 18th, 2010 @ 10:16pm
I have no idea why you guys keep thinking we’re Christians..
WE DON’T BELIEVE IN ANY GODS. GET IT IN YOUR HEAD.
Wednesday August 18th, 2010 @ 11:43pm
That’s just the typical black-and-white perspective of the typical religious dolt.
“Oh, you hate Mohammed? Then you’re a Christian!”
“Oh, you hate Jesus? You’re a Satan-worshiper!”
Thursday August 19th, 2010 @ 12:26am
haha
Thursday August 19th, 2010 @ 5:27am
guys to not believe doesnt mean to attack. if you dont believe just shut up and live your life in your way. do i talk about the crimes and inhuman bad happens which is usually made by the people who doesnt believe any god?
if you want respect you have to show respect.
Thursday August 19th, 2010 @ 7:44am
Why should I shut up? Do you or any other religious douchebag shut up about their religion? Ihave to put up with religious people all the time. As a result, they’re now going to have to put up with me.
Thursday August 19th, 2010 @ 2:42pm
ilhan: Yes, nonbelieves still commit violent acts, and some have committed atrocities and attempted genocides, but they didn’t commit them in the name of atheism/antitheism/agnosticism or anything like that. Pol Pot is said to have been an atheist, but he didn’t do any of what he did because he didn’t believe in god. The famous crusaders, however, did what they did and killed hundreds of thousands in the name of their god. More recently, islamic terrorists have committed acts of terror in the name of their god, allah. Also recently, the jews have expelled palestinians from their homes and their land because their holy book tells them that land is their holy land, and somehow they have the right to kick people out who were living there relatively peacefully.
Friday August 20th, 2010 @ 10:13pm
The crusaders defended themselves from Jihad dumbass. Where did you learn your history? A U.S. public school?
Friday August 20th, 2010 @ 10:15pm
And I wouldn’t call the genocidal war that the Muslim world has been waging against Israel, “relatively peaceful.”
Friday August 20th, 2010 @ 10:38pm
Crusades weren’t defensive at all.
I didn’t say Israel was peaceful.
By all means reread what I said, and also learn the definition of “relatively”.
Thursday August 19th, 2010 @ 12:27am
Religious Person, Riddle Me This..
A Reason To believe In God.
And I Will Submit to Him Eternally
Thursday August 19th, 2010 @ 1:50am
Reason to Believe = Eternal Submission.
Thursday August 19th, 2010 @ 5:53am
I advise you not to try to control what others do because you will fail every time.
If you tell us not to criticise your religion then we will do it more because we can.
If you don’t like what you read then fuck off or deal with it.
You don’t talk about the crimes and inhumanity of non-believers because the crimes of believers outweigh them and you know it.
Finally, who said we want your respect? I wipe my ass with your approval.
Allahu asghar bitch.
Friday August 20th, 2010 @ 5:54pm
MUSLIM = Men Under Stupid Laws Instituted by MohamMad
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 2:29pm
shut up
Saturday August 21st, 2010 @ 3:36am
you never try to hear about my Islam’ Its not like You think, Islam means peace ,We know how to live in this world, Please Dont Make A Fuck with Us, Ok, Damn!!
Saturday August 21st, 2010 @ 7:51pm
I don’t care about a particular offshoot of islam. As a whole, it’s an irrational belief with lots of terror under it’s belt. As is christianity and many (if not all) other religions.
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 2:29pm
liar shut the fuck up andrew you make shits of nothing at all
Saturday August 21st, 2010 @ 9:01pm
فَذَكِّرْ إِنَّمَا أَنْتَ مُذَكِّرٌ (21) لَسْتَ عَلَيْهِمْ بِمُسَيْطِرٍ (22) you know i am not surprised of your ways people because you are afraid of god you know that insults show that you have very weak personality i do not need to say uncut words or anything because i am muslim i believe in god and the judgment day you people do not need me you need minds your ignorance about my religion make you say your hhhhhhhhhh as you want it because you have no voice i hear only god voice his miracle the holy quran god forgive people with his mercy about every thing expect one thing to not believe in him i 1000% sure from my words because how to know my religion and not to believe it to Deny my god your god who created us and every thing is not good at all in my Opinion islam make people better it did many cool stuff like islam Spread with his goodness his mercy his morals not with sward or blood or Force islam is the window of comfort life islam teach people to respect the other no matter his skin Color or his believes or anything else islam is fair religion omg thank allah for every thing there is no god except allah
Saturday August 21st, 2010 @ 9:23pm
I’m afraid of gods? HahahaHAhAHhAhahaha
Hey god(s), KISS MY ASS.
*waits for those mighty gods to do something*
…
……
Thought so.
Saturday August 21st, 2010 @ 9:36pm
Same. I’ve been waiting for them to kick my ass for 3 years! Oh, but wait, they’re probably too busy, which cancels out the “omnipotent deity” argument.
Saturday August 21st, 2010 @ 9:48pm
I would be willing to wager that not only are we afraid of this nonexistent god that you speak so highly of, but that we also are afraid of the boogeymen living under our beds, and also afraid of Santa Claus refusing to deliver us presents each Christmas Eve.
Take your god and child-abusing prophet, and shove them up your ass, you ungrateful scum.
Saturday August 21st, 2010 @ 9:04pm
hal shut up
Saturday August 21st, 2010 @ 9:34pm
How effective, telling someone who calls bullshit on your beliefs to “shut up” when you don’t like their answers.
Saturday August 21st, 2010 @ 9:06pm
the true believers have no crimes
Saturday August 21st, 2010 @ 9:26pm
Lol. You’re insane.
Saturday August 21st, 2010 @ 9:34pm
Get off the pot.
Saturday August 21st, 2010 @ 9:25pm
i hate the cold wars and Conflicts and fights you are talking in a messy low way i hate to say that but you attack your self, islam is islam no matter what you did or what you said unbeliever is normal word but Stupid is different
Saturday August 21st, 2010 @ 9:37pm
We talk in a “messy, low way” because we’re skep-dicks who practice the Art of Tough Love towards your brainwashed cult. Same applies to Christians.
Saturday August 21st, 2010 @ 10:28pm
What does the cold war have to do with this?
Oh almost forgot, you’re an idiot.
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 12:25am
-:D bfn and ty
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 1:02am
imho Patience is art and Carry plague is okay but your Illusions is Are not comparable and Unconvincing, i respect you but you not so when i said messy ,low way i meant at least to talk without dirty words if this is conversation i should say where is the laws i can not sue you on internet site because of cruel word i think i cleared my point and if my words hurt your feeling i apologize but who will apologize to me? and i am not think that people make mistakes when they ask about their rights life is so short
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 9:29am
Well how exactly do you expect a couple of pages of comments to compete with your 15 years of indoctrination? You’re brainwashed beyond redemption and always will be.
You did not and cannot hurt our feelings because your tripe is meaningless.
If your feelings have been hurt then let that be a lesson to you.
You will get no concessions here so if you can’t handle “street talk” then get off the street and get back into your bubble of ignorance.
Besides, shouldn’t you be a good little muslim and avoid this website until ramadan is over? These pages are full of what you would consider blasphemy.
Then tell your peers to stop blowing themselves up and taking innocents out with them.
There’s nothing more to be said so eat shit and die (after sunset of course).
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 12:31pm
blowing means fire and killers and Victims ((the play) one of shakespeare tales)hear me carefully muslims have no relation with Terrorists you said tell your peers who?i am sorry i think i did not meet these people yet if my religion mention the word(radical) i am not to be a muslim ,the Terrorists are our enemies they used the word of islam to disappear behind it, islam is the real mean of peace i think you lie you do not know any word about islam ,islam refuse Violence this is my religion
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 12:52pm
You might not like to call them Muslims but that is exactly how they see themselves.
They believe in the same god, same book and same prophet.
Islam doesn’t just mean peace. It also means submission. In fact it can have many meanings depending on context but you know this since you are egyptian.
As a (true) Muslim (apparently) it is your responsibility to eradicate extremism, not just dismiss the angry masses as misguided and not real Muslims.
They go to the same mosques and listen to the same sermons as the rest of you.
They form their hateful opinions in groups as well as individually.
They (not always) believe and follow shariah law even though it is medieval and barbaric.
Until you moderates collectively and publicly put down extremism, you will remain under the same banner as the violent among you.
It IS a religious problem, not cultural, since the violence can be seen from as far east as Indonesia, across all Islamic states to Morocco in the west.
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 5:49pm
religious problems are so much you mean like(ben-laden and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan)bombing of 11/9/2001 which Claimed the lives of 2997 people Muslim scholars called Osama bin Laden in the ground spoilers means he is Nasty killer and someone like him have no religion no heart no mercy he killed people women and children i do not think him pray for god at all some one fake like him he said that he is a muslim he lair but Jewish are more Worse they are more than ugly Monsters they start their Violence in Palestine year 1772 and
Israel was founded after the withdrawal of Britain from
Palestine and handed over a vast territory of the Zionist movement year 1948 and after Implementation of the agreements Rowe DS in 1949 Seized control of the Zionist movement more than 70% of the total area of Palestine
in 1967 Israel occupied the West Bank and Gaza Strip of Palestine, the Golan Heights from the territory of Syria, and Sinai, from the territory of Egypt and like that Israel seized control of the assembly at this stage, feelings of paranoia and racial superiority then War of Attrition led by Egypt and Israel forces that inflicted heavy losses such as the destruction of the port-Harbi (Eilat) and half of Israel’s fleet of marine then The Ramadan War in 1973 then Israel has drawn attention, is concerned with the rape of Jerusalem and the West Bank and Gaza Strip The Zionist have no promises no morals or mercy they are the Thieves of the land they kill to live if we will be fighters we should see the truth fright for the good americans you talk about Terrorists so talk about all Terrorists
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 9:57pm
No I am not refering to 9/11. That was a unique event on a far larger scale than what I am talking about.
I know Pakistan is going through a massive tragedy at the moment but before the flooding, there were bombings going on there at a ridiculous rate. Weekly, we were seeing muslims killing other muslims. Why?
Iraq as well. At least they had the semi-justification that they felt they HAD to do it to fight an oppressive, and well armed power (their view).
Palestinians are the pioneers of this method, but they’ve been pushed to breaking point and held there for decades, and they have almost no alternatives.
Then you can find identical incidents happening in most islamic countries at some point or other in recent history up to today.
As for your belief that bin laden wasn’t a real muslim, then you are the polar opposite of correct.
He was as devoted as they come, but he had serious intolerance issues and genuinely believed that what he was doing can be of great benefit to islam.
His actions were politically motivated as much as his belief that god approved of them.
Thanks for the half-arsed history lesson. If you look further back you’ll find that the land has been conquered again and again for several millennia.
Almost always in the name of god. All because your fucking abrahamic religions had to originate there and apply undue spiritual value to a plot of land.
The way you write about jews/israelis (most likely interchangeable to you) shows that your disposition towards them is that of extreme abhorrence.
Fair enough, I can understand why you would think that.
Solidarity for your fellow muslim brethren I guess.
The brutality of the israeli government and military is indeed absolutely fucking disgusting and their attitude towards restraint is symptomatic of psychosis.
They frequently play deep psychological mind games to agitate the Palestinians.
For example, the day before the start of ramadan this year, the water supply was cut off to homes in Gaza to compromise peoples’ attempts at preparing feasts or performing wudu’.
To analogise israeli treatment of Palestinians, imagine a malevolent child torturing a caged animal with a stick.
Islamists, on the other hand, are not government officials. They are usually either commoners-turned-angry-lynch-mob, or delusional and unhinged zealots.
The problem begins earlier than the individual or the group. It begins with the wording and content of the qur’an itself – An outdated book of control that insists it should micromanage every aspect of its readers’ lives.
Sunday September 19th, 2010 @ 1:54pm
This is brilliant. I cannot understand a single thing the frankly illiterate “Muslim girl” has wrriten, but all of Hal’s stuff is legible, rational and comprehensive. These dialogues – when you ignore the frightening insanity, credulity and stupidity of the believers – are just hilarious.
Monday August 23rd, 2010 @ 12:32am
Muslim girl, an Egyptian man who killed his daughters in the USA, for
dating kufirs or kufars or infidles has fled back to Egypt, where the Egyptian government
has refused to cooperate with US authorities in returning the man to the
USA for trial. I guess honor killings are still acceptable in Egypt eh?
The girls were both teenagers.
Here’s the story of the honor killing committed by your Egyptian muslim
man in the USA:
http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/08/06/honor-killing-dad-secretly-taped-girls/
Monday August 23rd, 2010 @ 1:37pm
in Egypt honor crimes are Permissible like Husband killed his wife for Infidelity or wife killed her husband for infidelity both of them will Inherit and Adultery its punishment in law is from 3 to 7 years in jail because in the Faculty of law they study (International law and criminal law and civil law, Islamic law (the holy quran and Sunnah))they call this Defending Honor and Self-defense are in law but there is no father kill his children for making a mistake you know people who their children(teens) do this they get angry first and may Slap on the face or kick them out of house or tell them that they Renounce from them may they punish them but i never heard that father killed his daughters for making mistake or if he is a crazy he will kill his family then kill him self and egyptians see that dating is Deviation see americans as Perverts and americans see us retarded this is a culture shock
Monday August 23rd, 2010 @ 3:31pm
Are you suggesting that it’s ok for a husband to kill his wife if she has an affair?
Monday August 23rd, 2010 @ 3:39pm
Seems she is.
She’s a fucking psycho..
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 1:38am
yes you want me to understand that Humiliation and insults and Lack of respect for religions and deny the truth as normal action ,you the idiot it is not me ,no hope for your attack
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 10:26am
You’re being treated with a lack of respect because you’re a gibbering idiot, not because you’re muslim. Had you tried a more diplomatic approach then we could have had a civilised debate, but since you’re immune to reason, we have to resort to just pointing out your idiocy.
A counter-argument would be dismissed by you before you even read it so why waste unnecessary time on an insignificant insect who claims to only hear the voice of god (which, by the way, makes you an insane zealot)?
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 11:11am
if (gibbering idiot , insignificant insect ,insane zealot and idiocy )is your tools your Opinion why you call me zealot? ,cant you see your words? if there is any misunderstand i think its from your side to write comments in site like this this is zeal and because you claims to be democracy( Different opinion does not spoil a warm ) my Defense is understandable but your attack is mocks
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 11:13am
Democracy means everyone gets to talk. It certainly does not mean everyone gets to say anything they want and not get criticized when they say something stupid.
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 11:54am
I’m not usually this sadistic but I am certainly enjoying seeing how personally you’re taking all this. You make yourself an easy target by being so easily offended.
PS gibbering idiot, insignificant insect and insane zealot are just temporary labels I’ve applied to you. Don’t worry, I’ll add to them over time.
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 12:32pm
really you well add, i do not care
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 3:38pm
Jesus, being dead, didn’t have much control over what the Catholic Church did or
did not do in his name. Just like not being alive, he didn’t have much control
over the atrocities committed in the Old Testament.
Nevertheless, Jesus never ordered the slaughter of anyone, for any reason unlike
MuhamMAD who had entire villages of Jews slaughtered and enslaved on his order as
well as assorted blasphemers who earned his wrath.
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 3:41pm
True enough. Although the First Crusade as well as the Spanish Reconquista
were aimed at getting rid of islam — a noble goal in and of itself, as
tens of MILLIONS of Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Christians, Jews, Bahais and
Zoroastrians have found out the hard way.
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 3:48pm
In Muslim Girl’s country of Egypt you and Andre would be in jail for
the crime of blasphemy and possibly worse, for Egypt has special
crimes against Islam that have more draconian punishments than mere
blasphemy.
Even worse, the UN is considering to initiate a worldwide ban on
blasphemy compliments of the OIC, an islamofascist organization that
annually pushes the UN to adopt this worldwide blasphemy ban.
BTW, Jordan has a standing arrest warrant for Netherlands PM Gert Wilders
for crimes against Islam.
I haven’t noticed any Christians or Jews threatening to murder anyone
for criticizing their faith — much less carry such threats out (as
was done to Theodore Van Gogh in the Netherlands).
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 6:13pm
when i said sue you i did not mean because you do not believe its for the
Defamation and insult the definition of defamation in the Egyptian Penal Code.
Article 303
Punishable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year and a fine of not less than two thousand and five hundred pounds and not more than seven thousand five hundred pounds, or either of these penalties the Egyptian laws Movable some from the French law unbeliever is not a crime
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 7:56pm
Fuck your penal code, it doesn’t apply to any of us.
Your president (The Laughing Cow) can go fuck himself for all I care.
That’s the problem that distinguishes islam from other religions (which are also bullshit). In islam, regular citizens often feel that they have a right to impose their laws on others, including brutal punishments like stoning. Other religions have generally stepped down to a lesser power than (inter)national laws, apart from israel, which is a psychotic state run by zionist cunts.
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 6:44pm
Egypt is retarded, ever come to that conclusion?
Jordan can’t arrest a non-citizen, it is against UN law.
muslim girl: we don’t live in Egypt, enough irrelevant bullshit please.
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 8:25pm
I’ll bet if Geert Wilders goes to any islamofascist state
he’ll be arrested and turned over to Jordan forthwith —
if not killed outright.
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 8:37pm
He’s on their radar now and he knows it so he would be a fool to push his luck.
I now avoid most Arabic countries where possible. This is coming from someone who even speaks their language! But I found that I’m still met with suspicion since I stand out as obviously westernised (long hair is a major tell… As is a sense of fashion).
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 7:14pm
Wait guys… I think we might be wrong.
Their book says they’re right.
Shit.
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 7:40pm
What? No! How did we miss this? Smells like the work of the devil.
Too late to say la elah il’allah?
Fuck it, if we just go to Mecca and follow the crowd we may yet be redeemed.
Oh no, I forgot there’s little angels sitting on our shoulders taking note of everything we do.
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 10:12pm
If islamofascist states universally persecute people of other
faiths, what makes you think they wouldn’t be beneath or above
persecuting people of no faith at all? If you think islamofascist
terrorists would give you a pass because you’re an atheist think
again. Anyone NOT muslim is a kufar/infidel, think about that.
Sunday August 22nd, 2010 @ 11:14pm
Anyone who IS muslim is a sheep. A moron. A fool. Think about THAT!
Monday August 23rd, 2010 @ 12:28am
Have you received any death threats from your islamofascist fanbase
yet?
Pat Condell has received hundreds of death threats from Muslims.
Some of the threats have been very specific as to what they want
to do to him (e.g. remove his head).
Monday August 23rd, 2010 @ 12:37am
Do I care? No.
Will I receive any? Not likely.
If I do, will I take them seriously? No.
Monday August 23rd, 2010 @ 7:58pm
Not quite. They haven’t taken over the Mid-East and N. Africa by being
sheep. It’s within the realm of possibility that you will live to see
the complete eradication of all faiths except Islam in the Mid-East
and N. Africa (with the possible exception of Israel). But maybe you
think that’s a good thing.
Monday August 23rd, 2010 @ 2:06am
:D ♥ i luv islam ♥ i luv god ♥ i luv muslims ♥:D & ۩ ramadan kareem ۩
Monday August 23rd, 2010 @ 3:39pm
….. okay……..
Monday August 23rd, 2010 @ 6:54pm
No wonder most nonreligious people have higher IQs than most religious people.
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 2:30pm
way to go muslim girl! how old are you where do you live????
Monday August 23rd, 2010 @ 1:21pm
I wonder if that’s what Theodore Van Gogh thought?
Monday August 23rd, 2010 @ 2:47pm
I wonder if that matters in the slightest?
Monday August 23rd, 2010 @ 7:56pm
The First Crusade wasn’t defensive? What happened at the
Gates of Vienna again? What was the Reconquista about again?
Maybe you would’ve preferred an islamofascist Eurabia to Europe?
It looks like you’ll get your wish, because that’s exactly what
Europe is becoming NOW.
Monday August 23rd, 2010 @ 10:18pm
Crusade, the word, is an offensive movement.
What you’re saying is irrelevant, I would prefer neither.
Tuesday August 24th, 2010 @ 2:46pm
What you prefer is becoming increasingly irrelevant in Europe/Eurabia.
Tuesday August 24th, 2010 @ 5:04pm
What I prefer was irrelevant from the start.
Try harder, kid.
Tuesday August 24th, 2010 @ 12:13am
please if anyone can not talk Arabic he should not embarrass himself the word kufar is plural ,the single is kafir
Tuesday August 24th, 2010 @ 12:47am
You’re much worse with English.
Tuesday August 24th, 2010 @ 11:56am
Very true. Hypocrisy is rife in this girl.
Tuesday August 24th, 2010 @ 5:22pm
i am still studying English in school but he is repeating the words blindly
Hypocrite really i have one word for you …………..,just make sure that you talk about me not yourself
i am not have time for you, my school will start 3/9/2010 so i will be so busy
but i will pray for all of you , God guide you but as you may know that God does not change a people until they change themselves
Tuesday August 24th, 2010 @ 6:49pm
I’ll pray to Vishnu for you, too.
Tuesday August 24th, 2010 @ 6:50pm
may Thor have mercy on your souls.
Tuesday August 24th, 2010 @ 7:14pm
It seems you made a tenfold error in your word count.
And yes I am adamantly calling you a hypocrite.
Go back to school. Learn something worthwhile.
Tuesday August 24th, 2010 @ 9:12pm
Damn you beat me to it.
Tuesday August 24th, 2010 @ 12:31am
It’s good that Christianity got all their killing done early, now they can just point the finger at how violent other religions are.
Religion itself is the problem.
Tuesday August 24th, 2010 @ 2:49pm
I think there’s a subtle difference between nominally Christian nations and
islamofascist states. If you can’t see the difference maybe you should try
living in an islamofascist state and find out for yourself.
Tuesday August 24th, 2010 @ 3:23pm
You don’t have any friends, kufar dog, do you?
Did they move on because of your overuse of the word islamofascist?
It’s getting very old indeed and you’re not impressing anyone here.
Are you trolling for the sake of trolling or is this going somewhere?
Tuesday August 24th, 2010 @ 5:05pm
I would almost swear this Kufar guy was in one of my poli-sci courses last year in University.
Wednesday August 25th, 2010 @ 11:49am
this is not a freedom of speak >>>>>>> what you do is a freedom of heate and heomilate others
we as a muslem can do the same for your bileves
we can juj cristians from what the cristian did in world war 1 and 2
and what cristian did for Native American and i should remamber u >>>> all the big massicare and bloodshit in the history is commeted by cristians
Wednesday August 25th, 2010 @ 1:29pm
Well, we aren’t christians, but yes, you can say all you want about them.
Thursday August 26th, 2010 @ 10:39pm
Wait a minute… you know we are! Since we’re bashing Islam, that must mean that we’re Christians. Yes, Nasser, we’re Christians and we make fun of Islam because we choose to follow another guy that doesn’t exist, either.
Wednesday August 25th, 2010 @ 11:53am
Native Americans killed in service for the United States and killed defending their Indian country is listed below in rough estimated numbers. A likely total of 100,000-500,000 Native Americans in the U.S. have died since 1776. The high end would be around a million. Native Americans are the have the highest mortality rate of any U.S. minority because of U.S. action and policy.
the Killer Was Cristians and Church builders
Sunday September 19th, 2010 @ 2:07pm
Get it into your fucking head, the guy running this site and those whom are it’s most-frequent readers/users, are a-theists/agnostics/humanists, etc. We don’t believe in Islam, we don’t believe in Christianity, we don’t believe in Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, Santa Claus or any other fucking religion. Non-worship of ‘A’ does not suppose worship of ‘B’, you utter pinhead.
You can list all the violent shit from all religions other than Islam, we’ll agree it’s violent shit, and that their religions are shit, but it doesn’t mean a fucking thing about yours. Yours being, likewise, a massive sack of shit. The End.
Wednesday August 25th, 2010 @ 12:00pm
The Srebrenica massacre, also known as the Srebrenica genocide,[1][2][3][4][5] refers to the July 1995 killing of more than 8,000[6] Bosniak men and boys, as well as the ethnic cleansing of another 25,000–30,000 refugees, in and around the town of Srebrenica in Bosnia and Herzegovina, by units of the Army of Republika Srpska (VRS) under the command of General Ratko Mladić during the Bosnian War. A paramilitary unit from Serbia known as the Scorpions, officially part of the Serbian Interior Ministry until 1991,[7] participated in the massacre.[8][9] It is alleged that foreign volunteers including the Greek Volunteer Guard also participated.[10][11][12]
In April 1993 the United Nations had declared the besieged enclave of Srebrenica in the Drina Valley of north-eastern Bosnia a “safe area” under UN protection. However in July 1995 the United Nations Protection Force (UNPROFOR), represented on the ground by a 400-strong contingent of armed Dutch peacekeepers, failed to prevent the town’s capture by the VRS and the subsequent massacre by the Bosnian Serbs of more than 8,000 civilians and prisoners, mostly men and boys.[13][14][15][16]
The Srebrenica massacre is the largest mass murder in Europe since World War II.[17] In 2004, in a unanimous ruling on the “Prosecutor v. Krstić” case, the Appeals Chamber of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY), located in The Hague, ruled that the massacre of the enclave’s male inhabitants, accompanied by the forcible transfer of all of the women, children and elderly, constituted a crime of genocide.[18] Theodor Meron, the presiding judge, stated:
Wednesday August 25th, 2010 @ 1:34pm
This has nothing to do with native americans or christians…
Wednesday August 25th, 2010 @ 12:10pm
killed more than seventy thousand (as of little I recognized the air ) !! And that on Friday, June 15, 1099 (492 e). But perhaps ( I’m the air ) Muslim exaggerated .. Let us leave the modern historian Crusader ( William of Tyre ) .. Lim says : “We have rushed a crusader armies Through the streets of the city Mstelin swords, and killed all of the enemies encountered Regardless of age or condition and without discrimination … The alarming spread of massacres everywhere, jammed the severed heads in each Hand so could not go only on the bodies of people killed and at least (!!!) William : “Commanders had no princes !! Have risen earlier in the path for them .. And Have made a killing when they came indescribable .. . The convoy was followed by a crowd of people thirsty Of blood and is designed to genocide …. [ of course, must be a mob upon the religion of princes !! ] Say ( William) : ” Vuh tells us to prefer more glories European Newly Americanized ! ” . The massacre was committed in the place of the city Very frightening , and the bloodshed is so terrible suffering which even the victors Feelings of horror and disgust !! He says: ( and science Other leaders
Wednesday August 25th, 2010 @ 7:23pm
islam is the most peaceful religon look im jewish lame!
Thursday August 26th, 2010 @ 10:31pm
Islam is the most PIECE-ful religion. Look, I’m an infidel — lame!
Thursday August 26th, 2010 @ 10:34pm
I didn’t know switching my e-mail would make me PINK! Gay.
Thursday August 26th, 2010 @ 10:35pm
Phew.
Wednesday August 25th, 2010 @ 7:24pm
islam is better than any other religon and u know it!
Wednesday August 25th, 2010 @ 8:20pm
Oh totally. I so agree with you. I find it hard to believe anyone can be so right!
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 2:31pm
wait andrew are you NOW saying u want to be muslim? we’ll help you
Thursday August 26th, 2010 @ 2:16pm
Lslam is good nothing else
Thursday August 26th, 2010 @ 2:40pm
Spelling is even better.
Thursday August 26th, 2010 @ 6:26pm
May Allah bless all muslims. Those who oppose, will never understand, unless they are blessed by Allah, the all mighty.
Salam to all muslim brother/sisters.
And hi to my all non-muslims friends.
I haven’t read all the posts , but after reading a few, i got the idea that Islam is being targeted. If u have any questions about which aspect of Islam wrong, then please do post. i will reply u positively. It is an open question to all of u guys(those who oppose Islam).
Thursday August 26th, 2010 @ 6:32pm
So which aspect of islam is right?
Thursday September 2nd, 2010 @ 4:19pm
Sorry for late reply, as we muslims have Holy month of Ramadan these days, so I was busy in praying and stuff.
My dear Hal, every aspect of Islam is right, If u have any thing that u feel that it is not right, then plz say so, I am here to answer. I know u will say: “every thing is wrong about Islam!”.
Lets just say, we start step by step. Otherwise we will end up saying to each other that “I am right and u r wrong”.
Just approach step by step. u tell me one thing wrong about islam, i will give u the justification about that one thing. Ok, in a friendly manner.
Thursday August 26th, 2010 @ 9:04pm
Aren’t you not allowed to have non-muslim friends? Isn’t that a one way ticket to hell for you guys?
Thursday September 2nd, 2010 @ 4:37pm
Hi Andre.
Who told u, it is not allowed to make non-muslim friends? There is no compulsion for us. we are even told not to hate non-muslim by their physical being, but if we r to hate some thing, that is his wrong belief, not himself.
It is instructed to us by our Profet Muhammad (P.B.U.H), it is better for one to make one person a muslim, than to kill 1000 non-muslims(Talking about those non-muslims, who harm muslim)
Islam promotes friendship to all, it is a propaganda against us muslims.
But u r not fully wrong. like in every religion, there are those who do not follow, or those who follow but wrongly. Same is the case in islam, there are some extremists in islam, they love to kill or very litter reason, they impose laws without tolerance etc. But to my belief, they r not muslims. They just use our names. Islam has nothing to do with it.
The most flexible religion, which can be adopted by human nature is Islam. By the way the word “Islam” means “Peace”
Thursday August 26th, 2010 @ 10:36pm
Slamming Islam is even better.
Friday August 27th, 2010 @ 12:06am
Gonna have to agree with the world that is coloured fairly similarly to the colour of earth.
Saturday August 28th, 2010 @ 11:49pm
this is because you are lucky my school will start 18/9/2010 not 3/9/2010 ,so i want to talk first: if we will talk about the proof of god exist i see that the human brain can not realize the idea of god exist by itself and if you do not believe me try to creat a soul or control over yourself , the simplest idea made by human mind will be that thier is something or someone created you and control over your destiny and he will take you after death means there is another life is waiting for you and it is not your choice ,so the prophets were there before our creation (our birth), god send them to tell us about him(his exist) even the ancients egyptians were believers,prophets like(Adam, Noah, Abraham, Lot, Isaac, Jacob)all religions agree on them then come the messengers with god laws(the messege) in earth with moses thier son with Judaism , There is no doubt that the Jews were the chosen people of God and God loves them and distinguish them but is this choice and that excellence is absolute or terms?
It is well known that this choice was conditional on the acceptance of Jews of the apostles and prophets who God will send them before they have the people that these messengers? Is committed to the Covenant with God?
No. The evidence did not abide by the texts of the Torah ‘land was polluted under its inhabitants because they transgressed laws, changed the obligatory, reneged on the eternal covenant, therefore, the curse of the ground and ate punished those who dwell therein. So burned the earth’s population and remained a few people 54:5 u ‘. ‘Has returned to the sins of their forefathers, who refused to hear my they have gone after other gods to Iebduha now the house of Israel have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers R 11:10’. ‘Is a house is left unto you desolate’. then come chirst with Christianity ,That all the prophecies contained in the Torah, which predicts the coming of Christ had ended after the coming of Christ and the fact that the actual governing the Christ, he now runs his followers who believe in rule spiritually, not physically sentence where he says’ My kingdom is not of this world ,then christians said that there are 3 gods and christ is son god is this because of his Miracle that he born without father adam also born without father and Muhamed mentioned in The Old Testament and New Testament and the bible talked about the fake prophet that he will get punish on earth if this is true how could muhamed spread his religion on 23 years without any punish , islam also mentioned the other religion islam talked about kufar that they will live normaly in earth but thier punish will be after death , as you know muhamed is from the descendant of Ismael son of ibrahim and moses and Christ from the descendant of Isaac son of ibrahim
Sunday August 29th, 2010 @ 12:48am
So you’re just going to ramble on about bullshit until you go to school?
Sunday August 29th, 2010 @ 6:21am
You’re talking out of your ass again.
Sunday August 29th, 2010 @ 6:26am
achhooooooo! my apologies, i’m religiously intolerant! n00bs…
Sunday August 29th, 2010 @ 9:40pm
And moving the herd .The herd is the herd but different color hal advance from your level you think yourself hurt my feelings (Laughing Out Loud) By the way Take your time because i bought school stuff and I’ve prepared myself for the school, so i am not busy anymore
Sunday August 29th, 2010 @ 10:16pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuation
Sunday August 29th, 2010 @ 10:43pm
Well that pretty much covers it.
Monday August 30th, 2010 @ 6:00am
Aaaah well everybody’s heard about the herd, the b b b b bird is the word.
Well don’t you know about the herd?
Monday August 30th, 2010 @ 1:53pm
Im just so sorry for you and all those who follow your absurd ideas about islam. I know that you are aware of what you say,it is not because of illiteracy, you know the truth that islam is not the religion of cruelty. its full of love and happiness if you look at it fairly.i wish your followers that close their eyes and obey you could think alittle. anyway, if you believe it or not God doesnt need you, you need him. Islam is a universal religon and day to day its followers will be more and more, even if its bitter and intolerable to you.
Monday August 30th, 2010 @ 2:52pm
Nobody needs a god, let alone an imaginary one.
Monday August 30th, 2010 @ 6:09pm
The way I see it, there are 3 types of muslims. The 3rd is the only one I can respect.
1) The “terrorist” that we see on our western media. An angry minority that wants affirmative action against the whoring and debauchery of the infidels. Disliked by the world, including most Muslims.
2) The shariah law abiding citizen. The first category overlaps with this one. This Muslim oppresses his wife, follows Islam strictly to the letter and will shun modern standards of morality as they are deemed inferior to the authority of the qur’an. Adultery? Stoned to death. Theft? Cut off hands. Apostasy? Public execution. Mostly found in Saudi Arabia,Yemen, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
3) The peaceful Muslim. The most common and most modern version. Not necessarily very observant. Might only pray on Fridays or during ramadan. Mostly this relaxed Muslim might continue to believe either out of respect for the family, love of tradition or fear of god. Will not necessarily agree with some of Islam’s more questionable teachings but will still firmly defend Islam to outsiders.
Wednesday September 1st, 2010 @ 3:08am
Do you become a psychoanalyst? imo muslims are only one type, it is not your first or second or third type it is more diffrent ,i do not think that you visit Saudi Arabia,Yemen, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan you do not know people until you live with them to Collect a detailed true image about them and the terrorist that you see on our western media is only in your media he is fake he is only muslim in id [2:9] And of the people there are some who say, ‘We believe in Allah and the Last Day;’ while they are not believers at all.[2:10] They would deceive Allah and those who believe, and they deceive none but themselves; only they perceive it not.
[2:12] And when it is said to them: ‘Create not disorder on the earth,’ they say: ‘We are only promoters of peace.’
[2:13] Beware! it is surely they who create disorder, but they do not perceive it.
from surat al baqarah
Wednesday September 1st, 2010 @ 3:32am
You’re in denial if you think the people I described don’t exist.
Monday August 30th, 2010 @ 7:47pm
I am a muslim and i believe in one God and i bear witness that mohammed is the last prophet . Hal , andre : You know nothing about Mohammed , do you? Well , read about him and then tell me what do you all think but do me a favor , dont get this knowledge form anti-isalm books. You know islam teachings are telling me that you have your own relegion and and we have ours and if we are to debate you , we have to do it wisely. We believe in Christ but not the way Christians do , we believe he is one of Gods most respectful prophets and that he is not God.
anyway, if you dont believe in god in general, then i want you to answer this simple question: who created you , your mom , dad and the whole universe? dont bullshit me and say Nature coz it is God’s creation.
Monday August 30th, 2010 @ 8:17pm
Nobody created us, read a bio-history textbook. What do I think of Mohammed? I think he’s a pedophile and psychopath. “don’t get this knowledge from anti-islam books.” <– Well of course a pro-islam book is going to give you a bunch of bullshit, you have to read the opposition to learn anything useful.
Also stop calling us Christians, we aren't deluded fucking morons like you, believing in fairy tales. And yes, islam is the same bullshit as christianity, it's just a different piece of a terrible trilogy.
Wednesday September 1st, 2010 @ 4:05am
do you taking drugs? yes yes this drugs effects now you are talking about my example the greatest man in earth ever shut up Nasty
You are more stupid than I thought
it is better to you to stop your bullshit now,
biology book!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????
your biology book will enter you heaven
looser
Monday August 30th, 2010 @ 8:54pm
Andre has pretty much said what I was thinking here.
All your questions have already been answered.
Read through the previous page if you really want.
Wednesday September 1st, 2010 @ 4:11am
aha you are the second member of this Mafia so you are going with the herd
Wednesday September 1st, 2010 @ 5:29am
Yeah something like that. Keep blathering.
Monday August 30th, 2010 @ 11:27pm
GRRRRRRRRR this is non sense. Lets just stop fighting. I am also muslim and reading alll these i am ANGRY AS EVER. But muslims don’t say anything. these…humans will learn…soon. (i said humans cuz ur not ANY religion. and at
Indonesian
Fuck you allah. look at your religion, it is messy up this beautiful world. repent or go to hell just like your fucking parents, grand parents and etc
FYI HE DOESN’T HAVE ANY PARENTS OR GRANDPARENTS. And on the day of judgment u wil ALL be srry u ever said a word about islam. Hell fire is 10 TIMES HOTTER THAN regular fire. so beware. u better stop.
Tuesday August 31st, 2010 @ 1:14am
Only 10? Well gee, that’s not so bad.
Tuesday August 31st, 2010 @ 3:39am
So is hellfire is a little bit like my windproof lighter then?
Tuesday August 31st, 2010 @ 12:33pm
Just to follow up on this comment I’d like to say that I actually found a windproof lighter today a few hours after posting this comment.
Omen? So despite my defiance of “him”, he’s still on my side. Yeahhhhhhh.
Tuesday August 31st, 2010 @ 12:01am
ALL THOSE PPL WHO SAID GOD DOESN’T exist. well then who created earth and all the planets? who created humans??? who created it all? and don’t say no one because someone had to. :@@@@@@@@@@@@@ :( WELL THEN WHOOOOOOOOOOO????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? WHO???
Tuesday August 31st, 2010 @ 12:08am
WHO CREATED YOUR GOD! DON’T SAY NO ONE CREATED YOUR GOD CAUSE SOMEONE HAD TO HAVE! WHO CREATED HIM/HER/THEM!!!!!!!
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
WHY HAVEN’T YOU ANSWERED THIS QUESTION YET!!??!?!?!?!?!
WHOOOOOOO!
Tuesday August 31st, 2010 @ 12:03pm
NO ONE CREATED HIM. IF SOMEONE WOULD CREATE HIM THEN HE WOULD NOT BE A GOD. HE IS ETERNAL (WITHOUT BEGINING AND WITHOUT END)
Tuesday August 31st, 2010 @ 12:04pm
NO ONE CREATED THE UNIVERSE. IF SOMEONE WOULD CREATE IT THEN IT WOULD NOT BE THE UNIVERSE. IT IS ETERNAL (WITHOUT BEGINING AND WITHOUT END)
Tuesday August 31st, 2010 @ 12:14pm
Ah labinot, welcome back. I see you couldn’t wait until Ramadan is over. Now go wash the blasphemy out of your eyes.
Tuesday August 31st, 2010 @ 12:46pm
Cute. labinot returns with his caps lock key activated.
HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN YOUR GOD’S LACK OF PRESENCE?!?!?!?!?!?!?! WHY ISN’T HE HELPING YOU NOW?!?!?!?!?! HMMMMMM?!?!?!?! WHYYYYYYYYY?!?!?!? WHY DOES HE DENY YOUR EXISTENCE?!?!?!
Tuesday August 31st, 2010 @ 7:02pm
HEY LABINOT CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY PRAYERS ARE NEVER ANSWERED?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? WHY WOULD YOUR LOVING GOD ALLOW INNOCENT STARVING CHILDREN IN AFRICA TO LOSE THEIR LOVED ONES TO AIDS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! IF HE IS OMNIPOTENT AND OMNISCIENT THEN CERTAINLY HE HAS THE POWER TO DESTROY SIN AND MAKE ALL THINGS FLAWLESS IN THIS WORLD, CAN’T HE?!?!?!?!?!?!?! IF HE IS BENEVOLENT THEN THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR INNOCENT PEOPLE DYING IN POVERTY, WAITING FOR THEIR PRAYERS TO BE ANSWERED BY A CRUEL DEITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
Wednesday September 1st, 2010 @ 2:08am
god created the universe in 6 days without fatigue he can creat universe in less than second but he is teach us to be patience, every thing around us good and bad for a reason , you want to know why he make two types two kinds up and down poverty and wealth Poor and rich ,he gave us the responsability for every thing ,it is a test for us to believe to help others to make a better world with his religion to choose ,he distinguish us than the other creatures by mind if god wanted all of us to be rich and believers and without diseases we would be but he test our patience and Faith , the hanger is not the worse thing it is a need to live but the evil is more worse with all types
he gave us the mind to believe in his exist without seeing him he told us in quraan about his punishment and forgiveness his hell and heaven his Fair judge he created people with both right and wrong to let them learn from thier experiences
Sunday September 19th, 2010 @ 2:09pm
You, are without a shadow of doubt, a cretin.
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 5:50am
Hi Greenworld
“HEY LABINOT CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY PRAYERS ARE NEVER ANSWERED?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? WHY WOULD YOUR LOVING GOD ALLOW INNOCENT STARVING CHILDREN IN AFRICA TO LOSE THEIR LOVED ONES TO AIDS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! IF HE IS OMNIPOTENT AND OMNISCIENT THEN CERTAINLY HE HAS THE POWER TO DESTROY SIN AND MAKE ALL THINGS FLAWLESS IN THIS WORLD, CAN’T HE?!?!?!?!?!?!?! IF HE IS BENEVOLENT THEN THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR INNOCENT PEOPLE DYING IN POVERTY, WAITING FOR THEIR PRAYERS TO BE ANSWERED BY A CRUEL DEITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111”
Ok, as u not know, Allah has said, this is not the place for the result, this is the place for exam. Result will be there after the end of this world. So if he has to make every thing right here in this world, by himself, then its is not an exam. Every body is free and allowed to do what he wants to do here. But Allah has also told that who so ever will follow the truth, and live sinless life, he will be rewarded after death. Reward is not given in this world. So poverty, suffering, AIDS, all are exams, a test. yes u said why our prayers not get answered?. then let me tell u, they got answered, bc this is the promise of Allah not to reject any prayer, but if HE(Allah) does reject, then he knows better, that what we are asking is not good for us, because he knows better than us whats good for ur. And when a prayer is not accepted, due to reason sated above, then Allah has said that, the person will be rewarded for each unanswered prayer(on the day of judgment), and reward will be so great that if a person knows how much is the reward, then he would have wished that non of his prayers wold have gotten answered during his days on earth.
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 3:51pm
But what is the point of this “exam”? Why does your god need to test us for? Is life all about just worrying whether or not you and the others you care about will make it to the pearly gates and be able to buttfuck 72 virgins?
Yes, it’s a “test” from your loving god when he causes illnesses to your loved ones — just so they can die and leave the survivors grieving with a broken heart. Please don’t use the “but that’s why you have faith”, because this is an act of submission, more than anything else. Why should anyone submit themselves to the same damn monster that allowed their own loved ones suffer with little to no way of curing their diseases? Also, what about the amputees? Why won’t your god heal amputees? A man loses an arm in a car crash, and he is forever to live that way. Wow! What a loving god you worship! This is a god who won’t heal amputees who cry out in agonizing pain, feeling miserable and wishing they would just die already. Again, if i was god, I certainly would restore his/her limbs back into place, with or without prayer. What kind of a parent would let their own children just run up to the streets and get hit by a car without going after them to protect them from harm’s way? If you have kids, or plan to (I hope you don’t), then I’d like to see you do the same for your own children if one of them were to, for example, run up to the streets filled with lots of cars passing by. No loving parent would leave their own children unattended. Allah proves to be the exact opposite of this.
Answer me this: If a mere child who is only 8 years old contracts cancer, and this child dies, how can I love this god of yours for allowing it to happen? Why do we suffer for? If it’s because of “sin”, and your god “knows” the past, future, and present, then why damn all of humanity instead of preventing “sin” in the first place? After all, it’s your god; he’s supposed to be infinite in knowledge and abilities, so it would be possible to have an Earth with no “sin” to it. Therefore, there would be no need for repentance over fear of hell.
Prayers are NEVER answered. If your god doesn’t reject prayer, then how come so many poor children living in poverty with little to no food or water are dying each and every 5 seconds as we speak? I’m certain they have been praying REAL hard for your god to supply them with the things they need in order to survive. However, instead of helping them out, he allows them to suffer excruciatingly slow deaths. Why is this? If you’re going to use the argument that this “test” is just so they can be accepted into “heaven”, then you have a very rotten mind. What kind of god is this? He’s certainly not a loving one. If I was a god who is infinitely able to provide, then I would be most willing to help those in need with everything that is required in order to survive: money, food, water, shelter, and medicine.
If your god is able to prevent diseases and suffering, but not willing to, then he is a malevolent bully. There’s no other way around it. If you’re going to deny this, then it’s clear to me that you will never understand.
Both the Koran AND the Bible are illiterate pieces of garbage that were pretty much written by MEN whose delusional minds convinced them that they had a spiritual connection with the two deities of these two books. Just look at all the contradictions, the scientific errors and the barbarity of it all, and it doesn’t take a Richard Dawkins to understand that these scriptures all contradict each other; therefore, only imperfect beings wrote those books. If all that has been written down for your Koran came straight from your god’s mouth, then he must be a total idiot for saying such nonsense. For example: The Sun moves around Earth? Are you sure? Science has proven that theory to be incorrect, as in fact it is the planet Earth and all other planets and stars that move around the Sun. Another example: Semen comes from an area “between our loins and ribs”? (86:5-7) Surely, you must have picked up an educative brochure on the male reproductive system when you were going through puberty and seeing zits all over your face? Because science (and common sense) has proven that semen comes from the testicles, not the area “between our loins and ribs.” Yes, you’re right about the Koran proving science (makes more sense than your holy book).
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 4:37pm
So, your god is supposed to be all knowing, yet he has to test us, when he should already know the result anyway.
Which prayers were answered? The prayers of all the sick, dying, and lonely in the world? Were their prayers answered? You say that your god doesn’t give what people ask for because “he knows it’s not good for them” yet clearly not being sick, dying, or lonely would be a good thing. So why doesn’t he answer these? Well probably because he doesn’t exist.
Do you seriously not see the insanity of what you’re saying? “When god doesn’t answer, he really did answer, only he answered it in the future after you died!” What a joke! You have no way to prove this other than “my favourite book says it works this way!!” This is completely ludicrous!
You say that everybody is free to do as they please, well then why do you guys always give credit to your god whenever someone does anything? This logic does NOT FLOW!
This system you have going is so incredibly flawed and easily used to exploit weak-minded people such as yourself to the point where it’s actually fascinating in a sick way.
Tuesday August 31st, 2010 @ 8:01pm
I don’t think anyone should be fighting about religion it doesn’t matter what you believe in or what you don’t believe in, people should mind their own business….. everyone has their own choice they can worship what they want and if you don’t like it then all you can do is pray that they will be guided to what you think is the truth
by the way I am a convert, my mother is an atheist and she’s totally fine with my religion just like I am fine with her’s…true I may want her to also convert, but all I do is pray that she is guided to what I think is the truth
so stop arguing because its a bit silly I am sure you have better things to do
Tuesday August 31st, 2010 @ 8:09pm
Nah not much else to do these days.
And stop calling atheism a religion, it’s by definition a lack of religion.
Tuesday August 31st, 2010 @ 8:15pm
Even better: Lack of Gods!
Tuesday August 31st, 2010 @ 8:42pm
BECAUSE OUR GOD IS A KIND OF MYSTERY IAN
AND ANDRE HE HELPS ME ALOT. HE ALWAYS MAKES MY DAY THE BEST. AND GREENWORLD THEY ARE ANSWERED AND AS I SAID HE IS A KIND OF MYSTERY AND I AGREE WITH LABINOT.
Tuesday August 31st, 2010 @ 8:57pm
NO THEY’RE NOT ANSWERED!!!!! EVERY FIVE SECONDS, A CHILD WILL DIE OF HUNGER!!!!!!!! WHERE’S YOUR GOD?!?!?!?!?!? OH, WAIT!!!!! HE WORKS IN “MYSTERIOUS WAYS”!!!!!!!! BUT WHY DOES HE NEED TO HIDE FROM US?!?!? WHAT FOR!?!?!?! ALL WE REQUIRE IS PROOF THAT HE EXISTS, ACTUALLY HEALS THE POOR AND DEFENSELESS, BUT THAT’S OUTBALANCED BY THE SHEER MAJORITY OF POVERTY RATES ALL OVER THE WORLD!!!!!! THE ONLY WAY THESE PEOPLE ARE BEING HELPED IN ANY WAY ARE THE KIND AND GENEROUS-MINDED PEOPLE WHO PAID THEIR OWN MONEY TO SPONSOR CHARITIES!!!!! WHAT ABOUT GOD?!?!?! WHERE’S HIS INVOLVEMENT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Wednesday September 1st, 2010 @ 2:04am
god created the universe in 6 days without fatigue he can creat universe in less than second but he is teach us to be patience, every thing around us good and bad for a reason , you want to know why he make two types two kinds up and down poverty and wealth Poor and rich ,he gave us the responsability for every thing ,it is a test for us to believe to help others to make a better world with his religion to choose ,he distinguish us than the other creatures by mind if god wanted all of us to be rich and believers and without diseases we would be but he test our patience and Faith , the hanger is not the worse thing it is a need to live but the evil is more worse with all types
he gave us the mind to believe in his exist without seeing him he told us in quraan about his punishment and forgiveness his hell and heaven his Fair judge he created people with both right and wrong to let them learn from thier experiences
Wednesday September 1st, 2010 @ 2:52am
Really? This old tired ass story?
Seriously, come back with something a little bit more solid.
Wednesday September 1st, 2010 @ 3:31am
talk in a respectable way or………
Wednesday September 1st, 2010 @ 5:31am
Respect must be earned. You have a very large hill to climb.
Tuesday August 31st, 2010 @ 9:26pm
Man made God.
We created him.
You wanted creation? There it fucking is.
Wednesday September 1st, 2010 @ 4:16am
Retarded mental one of mafia guys looser
Wednesday September 1st, 2010 @ 4:39am
I don’t understand the statement, these words are disorganized.
Wednesday September 1st, 2010 @ 2:59pm
I think she was talking about my Mafia comment, because some Muslim guy said “Don” instead of “Don’t.” Still, it’s muslim girl.
Tuesday August 31st, 2010 @ 9:31pm
u need to shut mouth cuz u dont noe wat ur tlkin bout
islam teaches to be peaceful nd kind to ur brothers nd sisters
Tuesday August 31st, 2010 @ 10:15pm
Learn to spell, and I may just type you up a decent, rational response.
Tuesday August 31st, 2010 @ 11:14pm
Oh believe me, good sir, I know exactly what I’m talking about.
Wednesday September 1st, 2010 @ 4:39am
Or what?
Wednesday September 1st, 2010 @ 5:40am
Or nothing. Her threats are as futile and impotent as her god.
Wednesday September 1st, 2010 @ 3:00pm
She may call the cops on uh. Oh, no!
Wednesday September 1st, 2010 @ 7:57am
wow you guyz are pathetic. man its not the religion its the people in the religion. Not all muslims are like that. you ppl should respect others religions. first of all you ppl need help. second of all arent all relgion pathetic in a way that is…….. You people should think before you talk and stop listening to the media…if you are smart enough its biased so stop swear about others prophet or messenger.
Wednesday September 1st, 2010 @ 8:36am
Not all Muslims are like what?
“The people” will always range from good to bad no matter what their background.
Organised religion itself IS the problem for so many reasons.
They control the behaviour and even emotions of those who follow and intrude on the lives of those who don’t.
They cause a great deal of friction on every level from personal to global, allowing division in communities and causing hatred on a massive scale.
Countless lives have been stripped from innocents for thousands of years in the name of religious sacrifice, martyrdom, crusading, ethnic purges and genocides.
Many more are being expired regularly in the bombings plaguing Pakistan and Iraq.
If your vengeful god hadn’t smitten my laptop then I might have spent longer extending this list of problems with religion but I’m not into typing essays on my phone so I’ll leave it for another time.
Wednesday September 1st, 2010 @ 12:46pm
Religion is the problem, not the people. People are fallible, we all know that, and therefore so are the ideas of people. Religion was an idea. Fortunately, people are also able to recognize faulty ideas, and for the past 100 years we’ve been slowly looking at one of our biggest failures yet: religion.
Wednesday September 1st, 2010 @ 2:49pm
Religion is the problem, but ignorant human beings are keeping it alive. It needs to leave me alone.
Thursday September 2nd, 2010 @ 2:51pm
death!!! ……. wait till that day when angel of death rips ur soul out ,,,,,,,,
remember today ,,, u were warned …. dnt talk about what you dont knw ,,, atleast learn about islam if u dare … dnt act like ignorant babies ,, atleast sicerely read a quran translaton , to find what is truth , and why its a miracle (quran) … i dare yu !! talking rubbish on the net …. islam is of peace ,,, a muslim is not a muslim if he is a terrorist ,,, …. and btw look at your dictionaries and see the meaning of terrorism ,,,,, stop acting folish ,,, and open ur eyes!!!!!!!!111….islam will never have the meaning of evil ……… evil is u …. who talk with no ilm (knowledge) , may god , the one and only ,, who created me and you ,,, the merciful , who made this world a trail ,,,,, show you and me the right path ,,,,, ( i dnt want any debates …. i just want you to think!!!!!!!!!!! ) may god give you hidaayah!!
Thursday September 2nd, 2010 @ 2:54pm
We think a lot. You’re the one who needs to get started.
Thursday September 2nd, 2010 @ 6:22pm
Angel of Death:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MgwYpH3jzw
Fuck yeah.
Thursday September 2nd, 2010 @ 4:22pm
Sorry for late reply, as we muslims have Holy month of Ramadan these days, so I was busy in praying and stuff.
My dear Hal, every aspect of Islam is right, If u have any thing that u feel that it is not right, then plz say so, I am here to answer. I know u will say: “every thing is wrong about Islam!”.
Lets just say, we start step by step. Otherwise we will end up saying to each other that “I am right and u r wrong”.
Just approach step by step. u tell me one thing wrong about islam, i will give u the justification about that one thing. Ok, in a friendly manner.
Thursday September 2nd, 2010 @ 4:37pm
Hi Andre.
Who told u, it is not allowed to make non-muslim friends? There is no compulsion for us. we are even told not to hate non-muslim by their physical being, but if we r to hate some thing, that is his wrong belief, not himself.
It is instructed to us by our Profet Muhammad (P.B.U.H), it is better for one to make one person a muslim, than to kill 1000 non-muslims(Talking about those non-muslims, who harm muslim)
Islam promotes friendship to all, it is a propaganda against us muslims.
But u r not fully wrong. like in every religion, there are those who do not follow, or those who follow but wrongly. Same is the case in islam, there are some extremists in islam, they love to kill or very litter reason, they impose laws without tolerance etc. But to my belief, they r not muslims. They just use our names. Islam has nothing to do with it.
The most flexible religion, which can be adopted by human nature is Islam. By the way the word “Islam” means “Peace”
Thursday September 2nd, 2010 @ 4:42pm
Hi Greenworld!
You said:
“Slamming Islam is even better.”
So this is ur true nature and way of thinking?! And u blame islam for being extreme! shame on u man.
I respect every religion, but the one accepted till the end of time is ISLAM, and only islam.
Thursday September 2nd, 2010 @ 6:16pm
Yes, I said that. What are you going to do about it? Track me down? No, you’re just going to whine at me, Ian, Andre, and Hal about it. As far as my “true way of thinking”, yes, I have no regret for what I said. Islam is a delusional, sick death cult. Why should I feel ashamed for having no respect for the damages caused in the “name of God”? Why should I forgive the suicidal extremists and the Sharia law supporters? Thousands of lives are lost each and every single day here on Earth, all because of the disgusting things said in your holy books. Mohammed was a pedophile who married a 6-year-old girl and then fornicated her when she turned 9, for example. Yes, “shame” on us for not respecting Islam!
“I respect every religion, but the one accepted till the end of time is ISLAM, and only islam.”
Mr. Hammad, some Evangelical Christians would like to have a word with you.
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 5:35am
I have no intentions to track u down, and i don’t care. because to me, u r less than a human, and u do have no heart for the feelings of others. And I am not whining at u or any body else. Its my deity to tell the truth, to save u guys.
And us said “Why should I forgive the suicidal extremists and the Sharia law supporters?”
u people are way misunderstanding us, Suicide is a sin in our religion, u r not allowed to through ur life away. It is an act of cowardice. He will be punished for this act. We never supported sucide. If some one does it, it is using the name of islam, he is not muslim.
and what do u think the word “Sharia” is. It simply says how to live ur life according to Islam, the way of life from waking up till sleep time.
U said. “Mohammed was a pedophile who married a 6-year-old girl and then fornicated her when she turned 9, for example. Yes, “shame” on us for not respecting Islam!”
Dude there is no such thing in Islam. we have our senses and brain with us, who would believe in such a man who does this. Can u support ur answer through any reference, that Muhammad (PBUH) did this? U r not to say what other people say, just answer my question by giving me evidence of Islaminc literature? I need reference to ur baseless comment. If u cant provide, then u have no right to say: “Mohammed was a pedophile who married a 6-year-old girl and then fornicated her when she turned 9, for example. Yes, “shame” on us for not respecting Islam!”
Its just a propaganda against Islam,to make u people believe that Islam is a bad religion. I wounder, from where u get this wrong info.
Thursday September 2nd, 2010 @ 4:52pm
Hi muslim girl.
who r u and where r u from? and i think u r still too young to handle this complex matter.
Youe may say the truth, but these guys won’t listen to u, this is happening from the time of Profet Nooha (Alie-hiss-salaam). No body listened to him, saying he was crazy and stuff like that. we r only here to try, true belief will only be blessed by Allah, all-mighty.
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 1:21am
right, you are very right i am egyptian and my name is esraa my age is 15 ,may i am too young but i see that i can help even 1% it is not shame or wrong to Defense about your believes ,it is the only thing that i see it right with no Doubt ,i love god i believe every word in his holy book ,i cant be silent with someone can not distinguish between the truth and the Illusions ,so they will Regret in a day that regret can not be useful for them they will not need to regret they will wish to back with time to think better and it is impossible ,they do not want to see, they are too wierd , i am trying but God does what He wills i always hear people say that Stubbornness generates disbelief when i was young i was not understand this sentence now i understand it and may be god made me see this site for a reason to change something or to realize something , when i was young i was always asking about people who are not muslims about thier place i believe that they need someone to help them to teach them to tell them may they have no idea i born a muslim which is great gift from god
Alhamdulillahi Rab Alaalameen
if Allah wills (InshAllah) Allah with us
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 1:27am
So again… god did it.
You can’t do or figure anything out for yourself.
God does it all for you.
How sad and disheartening that is.
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 2:11am
yes ,agian and again because it is the truth god created me he control over my destiny he bless me and i am his slave ,There is no power nor might save in Allah , Praises be to Allah
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 2:14am
Pretty sad that you can’t even tie your own shoes.
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 2:40am
Freedom is not a good thing anyway. Please stay that way. Thanks.
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 5:55am
Great saying, my little sister
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 7:56am
thanks man, i respect this
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 1:55am
I have Curiosity to know where are you from too?
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 2:57am
it is Supposed to me to laugh or what? god control over all the worlds and all humans (everything), he is the lord of the worlds means you and me and every one else ( Whether you wish to or not)
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 4:12am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah
god created creatures are called slaves because they Are created i can not explain it more but i understand it is like Wheat and
Bread there is no bread without wheat like there is no juice without water my meaning is we are creatures so there is Creator there is no god there is no us
Greenworld i am slave to my creator this is logical to me, the freedom thing can not be ably with god he is not like me, i can ask for freedom from any human any other human have no right in me but god have he give me everything ( life, food, water, cloths, house ,room ,school ,money ,mind, parents. sister and brother ,friends ,skin ,hair, eyes …….ect)
this is mental thing
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 5:58am
I am a born muslim (Alhamdulillah), and I am from Pakistan.
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 8:05am
great, muslims country so you are not arabic ,nice to meet you any way your first language is Urdu right?
Tuesday January 25th, 2011 @ 5:59am
i am from pakistan to!!!!!!! hammad and muslim girl talk more here,,, these pests need to be seen the truth.
Thursday September 2nd, 2010 @ 4:58pm
My dears, At least read about Islam in Quran, sayings of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), then open ur mouth, if u dont like something. Don’t say what other people say. U ahve eyes, brain, thinking power, decide urself. Plz
By my brother named his with “warning” said it. This is the truth.
“death!!! ……. wait till that day when angel of death rips ur soul out ,,,,,,,,
remember today ,,, u were warned …. dnt talk about what you dont knw ,,, atleast learn about islam if u dare … dnt act like ignorant babies ,, atleast sicerely read a quran translaton , to find what is truth , and why its a miracle (quran) … i dare yu !! talking rubbish on the net …. islam is of peace ,,, a muslim is not a muslim if he is a terrorist ,,, …. and btw look at your dictionaries and see the meaning of terrorism ,,,,, stop acting folish ,,, and open ur eyes!!!!!!!!111….islam will never have the meaning of evil ……… evil is u …. who talk with no ilm (knowledge) , may god , the one and only ,, who created me and you ,,, the merciful , who made this world a trail ,,,,, show you and me the right path ,,,,, ( i dnt want any debates …. i just want you to think!!!!!!!!!!! ) may god give you hidaayah!!”
Thursday September 2nd, 2010 @ 5:53pm
You’re full of shit. Where do you get off telling us to decide for ourselves? You’re the one following an ages old fairy tale of a religion. What’s wrong with islam you ask? It’s a fairy tale, it’s all bullshit. Your joke of a prophet was a pedophile, a sick man. I don’t give two shits about what you think your religion stands for, or what it may or may not have originally stood for, because today it represents only religious world conquest and fear. I’ve read your stupid books, I’ve read books about your stupid books, and I’ve already told you this. It’s garbage, nothing but bullshit that some idiot thought up in his head to trick people into following him.
You think you can impose your shariah law on the world because some book tells you to do so. A book written by men, not by some deity. It’s an invention of man to control the weak, such as yourself.
Thursday September 2nd, 2010 @ 6:48pm
Hi Andre:
Then why haven’t any body being able to create the book of this caliber till now? It is a challenge to all u losers by Allah(it is said in Quran), to create even a single verse, of the same caliber as that book, this challenge is from 1400 years ago, no body could every do it.
This is because humans are not that much capable. Their brain also have a limit.
I am speaking politely, with good words so u do the same. why are u getting so angry about. If u have the “don’t know, don’t care attitude”, then why are u wasting ur time here, why u even bother to reply. when we say something that annoys u and u don’t have answer to that, u simply say “i don’t care”, or “what i have to do with ur bullshit” or stuff like that, honestly u r not even a man!, u cannot defend ur point with logic!
And us said, u have read Our beloved religion books, and book to our religious books, can u state the book names? writer names? i mean the one who wrote the books on our Religious books?
Thursday September 2nd, 2010 @ 11:01pm
Wow, you’re telling me to use logic? I use nothing but logic. At this point on this particular blog however, we’ve answered all of your questions dozens of times, and you can simply find them yourself. We’ve repeated ourselves more than enough.
You’re so full of shit you can’t even realize the stupidity of the things you’re saying.
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 6:03am
Ok, then if u have written the answer to my stupid question, then this page is too big to read now. So if u have typed the answer some where on this page, then u might have remembered some key words, do “Ctrl + F” and search it, copy and paste it here. So i get what i deserve, ur so called logical answer? Who told u to retype the whole thing.
Thursday September 2nd, 2010 @ 10:54pm
“We have thinking power.” That’s classic.
Thursday September 2nd, 2010 @ 6:26pm
Hi Andre.
you said:
“Nobody created us, read a bio-history textbook. What do I think of Mohammed? I think he’s a pedophile and psychopath. “don’t get this knowledge from anti-islam books.” <– Well of course a pro-islam book is going to give you a bunch of bullshit, you have to read the opposition to learn anything useful.
Also stop calling us Christians, we aren't deluded fucking morons like you, believing in fairy tales. And yes, islam is the same bullshit as christianity, it's just a different piece of a terrible trilogy."
well i can say "u have a Diarrhea of mouth."
Ok Andre, u think things just happen, as biology and science claims about the birth of humans?
ok, lets see what u claim:
1: U say the whole formation of galaxy was just an accident, as a result of big bang, or some other scientific phenomenon? (well some of it is true, Islam has said it in Quran 1400 years ago, but it was not an accident)
2: u say things here are going uncontrollably, without under the command of any one? no GOD(Allah)?
(A): It was a very very luck big bang, that caused earth to somehow move around the sun, in a very very precise manner, (If u have read science, as u referred biology, it means u have some know how about science) then u know that magnetic field is very sensitive to distance. try spinning a north pole magnet hanging with a thread(just like pendulum bob hangs with a thread) around a south pole of the other magnet, placing south pole in the center(or vice versa). It requires a very precise rotational velocity to cancel the centripetal force created by magnetic pull, otherwise they will just smash into one another. And now this huge ball of mud is rotating since thousands of years, and no body is looking over?
(B): After big bang, it some how, suddenly happened that thousands of species born after an explosion, what a lucky explosion!. And only Humans developed from single cell to multi-cellular specie, wow. Now think that thousands of years have passed, i haven't seen any single new intelligent or newly mutated specie. If this theory were to be true, then this phenomenon would have occurred in many other forms, because now the chances are even better, due to better climatic condition of earth, than were in early times. we are here on earth for over thousands of years, and we haven't seen any single cell, or multicellular organism to develop into a complex structure like human or close to that, or in some other form. No scientist claims about it? why??
"Human is the state of the art creation of Allah. He is better than any other creature. because allah gave him a power full brain"
My dear it is not an accident, or luck. Or some say that humans, some how just developed from monkeys to human form. Monkeys are still monkeys man, they are not developing in jungles, i haven't seen any monkey using spears and arrow and making homes, going to schools, they are same ever since.
Animals are born with their limited intellect, and they are intelligent by birth, intelligent enough to do what they are born to do, and gain a very little knowledge from out side environment to survive. No animal parent teaches their offspring how to live,eat etc, even if they teach, then it is in their inherent nature, they are bound to do so, bc they were born with it, and their offspring would do the same to their offspring and cycle continues. Only humans are born without intellect, and they have to learn every thing. An infant human child placed near a snake will feel no danger. but a child of mouse, will run away in an instant. So u say animal just some how learn without any one giving knowledge to them at their birth?.
Close to what i said above, is explained in Quran.
(C): U breath, digest, exhale, urinate, take nap, chew food, complex neuron structure of brain, complex blood pumping of heart, kidney functioning etc, just work some how, and developed on their own, without any one to create this complex structure?
u acknowledge that, lets say a car(vehicle) is made by human(by the knowledge that allah gave to him/her) with effort,hard work, time etc, u accept and acknowledge it(other than what i said in brackets about allah).
But if some one say that "I put some metal in one room and closed the door(sealed it), the other day i opened the door, there was a finished vehicle, having engine, seats, wiring, fuel, lights, wheels, glass etc"
who would believe such a stupid story? so all what i want to prove is that, things don't happen them selves, some has to do it. Ok, for instance, one would believe to some extent that that thing happened automatically, but there is a limit man, i mean the whole human is a very very complex machine, the whole phenomenon around the globe are too complex to understand, and are happening in a very very controlled way, so that we can survive. How can this happen automatically???? if car can not be built automatically, then how come the whole universe with that much detail?
without someone doing it(Allah) ?
(D): Ok now u believe so much in biology, i believe too, but not sooooo much.
We have so much technology, can we create a human being with out taking the sperms from any male? why haven't we been able to create a single sperm. as human is an accident, then making sperm should be a piece of cake.
ok lets lower down the difficulty level,because humans r too complex, can we create a SINGLE SEED, (on our own)of any plant/tree etc. how about rice, it is plain, uniform, white. it should be easy, but NO!!. We can go to space with a spaceship, because we have that much technology, but we can't even make a single grain of rice or any other seed.
and we don't know even know what gravity is and how it works yet!!
we can't even make a single fly out of our own. So u say it is a biological phenomenon, and there is no creator??
These are just glimpse dear. U don't have to get angry with me. May be i might have written some wrong concepts/phenomenon about science(as i am human, my knowledge is limited and humans are prone to error), but i made my point clear.
U can argue with me, u can reason with me. But saying all of the sudden that "This is crappy bullshit! etc." this is wrong. it means u r not willing to hear the truth.
Thursday September 2nd, 2010 @ 11:10pm
So you’ve put words in my mouth here, and you’ve inferred that science claims everything happened by accident.
This is not true in the slightest.
You, however, claim that god did it. This is just too easy. Science strives to find answers, while you strive to avoid answers, by saying god did it.
I say again, you’re so full of shit that you don’t even realize it.
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 6:16am
Hay man, what is this. lol. This is not even an answer? These are the questions where u religion less people can’t find the answer? Then what science explain about the creation? Nothing!!
What science has created? Nothing?
U haven’t answered even a single question of mine? i believe in science, I am engineer. But there is a limit to science and human thinking. So again, reply my issues raised in my big message above.
u can only say “I say again, you’re so full of *** that you don’t even realize it.”
what science claims then?, tell me. as i told u what i know. how can science tells? also go through all what i have written, an then answer.
Thursday September 2nd, 2010 @ 6:53pm
U r constantly using bad word for our religious people, and our prophets who we care more than our own parents. Is this ur civilization? u have no right to say that. even if u don’t believe in our religion, then this doesn’t mean u should insult.
Because of this stupid attitude or you’s gets u cowards get killed, then u blame islam. U r the one violent, ur replies openly say so.
Thursday September 2nd, 2010 @ 10:50pm
Go cry us all a river, please.
You care more about an insane pedophile than your own two biological parents? This only reinforces my stance on how religion poisons everything. I would NEVER put anyone — let alone some invisible character — over two people that obviously exist. I don’t know how you grew up as a child, but I’m thankful for what my parents have and will continue to provide me with for a long time.
The Skep-Dicks Civilization. Loud and clear.
Did you bother reading the title of this site? It says IRRELIGION.ORG, so of course we have every single damn right to say whatever we want. And even if we don’t subscribe to your cult, that doesn’t mean we can’t say shit about it. If you can’t stand the heat, then get the hell out of the kitchen.
Your spelling and grammar could use some improvement before you call us “stupid cowards.” Only a coward would refrain from insulting Islam and your nonexistent prophet. Your words have no effect on us.
You’re comparing our replies to suicide bombers and other extremists, the scums that mercilessly take away the lives of innocent people and leave surviving family members heartbroken for the rest of their lives? Fuck you.
Thursday September 2nd, 2010 @ 11:04pm
Did you seriously just accuse the victim of the crime? Are you really going to pull that shit now? If a woman is wearing a short skirt, and someone rapes her, it’s not her fault. It’s the rapist’s fault! He raped her, she didn’t ask him to. This is a misidentification of victim/criminal and is a perfect example of why islam is so incredibly awful.
Fuck you for saying that, you sick person.
Thursday September 2nd, 2010 @ 11:57pm
What do you expect? People like Hammed can’t even spell or speak in coherent sentences. They make both of us look like Richard Dawkins clones!
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 5:27am
this is ridiculous you are not the woman who is wearing a short skirt you are this one who raped her you are not the victim you are the criminal because ( suicide bombers and other extremists, the scums that mercilessly take away the lives of innocent people and leave surviving family members heartbroken for the rest of their lives) first tell me Honestly how many people are dead in your country (america )
because of people said that they are muslim lets ignore now they muslims or liars and also tell me how many people Tortures because of your last President and raped then killed in without mercy way in arab countries like iraq or others ? then count and compare if our criminals make you feel awful that we did not catch them so watch from your criminals that you elected and Encourage and of course you will get shocked from the diffrence and you will discover by time that america and israel unity against arab muslim Terrorists is just Greed in the Middle East poor countries so you come to kill with Silly reasons for war like Nuclear weapons then we discover that there is nothing in iraq so mr bosh go away with his Scandals to prepare the world for another liar like obama (mr jew )
to be continued
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 1:20pm
Yeah I don’t live in america, kid. And do NOT call me the criminal. You are completely insane. You’re comparing me to murderers, when I’m the one speaking out against these murderers.
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 6:31am
English has nothing to do with it. Is is just a typing mistake. Try not to move away from the topic, by just saying ill worlds and stupid comments
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 1:23pm
I didn’t say anything about your broken English, I commented on the fact that you can’t even identify who a victim is and who a criminal is.
This is islam in a nutshell, accusing women of allowing themselves to be raped, rather than accusing rapists of being disturbed freaks. Or accusing the rest of the world of being infidels rather than accusing their own psychotic freaks of terrorism and murder.
(On the subject of the USA, as muslim girl brought it up: Yeah, I’m aware that they’re pretty fucked up too, but that’s not what we’re talking about right now, is it? No, so stay on topic.)
Thursday September 2nd, 2010 @ 7:33pm
Hi every one. I have read some one say who created GOD(Allah).
Well the thing is HE is so mighty that mere words cannot comprehend him. As our minds might think that there must have to be time in the beginning when GOD was born, back, way back in TIME. but u see every thing is a creation of GOD. so TIME itself is also his creation(written in Quran, if u need reference, I can give u the verse #). We are bound to follow the time, and hence we think accordingly the beginning and end of every thing. Meaning that we related things to time. But after death this curtain will be opened, and every body will realize.
So our mind is not mature enough to understand. As Time is GOD’s slave(his creation), so he is eternal, without any beginning and end, he i not bound to follow time. Beginning and ends are for us mortals, because we are the creation, not the creator.
Thursday September 2nd, 2010 @ 10:35pm
…
You’re assuming that just because “there must be a God out there”, we have to go with Islam. But what if “God” (IF such a thing exists) is totally different from the God that your Koran talks about? What if there are MULTIPLE Gods? You are asserting something which has no rational basis. Science hasn’t figured everything out, sure, but we always change, and evolve for better understanding of our surroundings in the universe. Your religion, however, refuses to improve (as the rest of humanity has) and because of that, your emotional baggage will not overthrow the facts confirmed by science (and ONLY science alone).
Again, you are assuming that because there *must* be some sort of deity out there, you are choosing to throw yourself in with Allah. But what about Horus, Vishnu? Osiris? Zeus? Apollo? Odin? Thor? The list goes on… If you’re going to tell us that *your* God is the *true one*, then kindly focus on debunking the REST of the Gods that have been introduced into human culture before trying to put a leash on what we may or may not say.
Thursday September 2nd, 2010 @ 11:07pm
Debunk one god, you’ve debunked them all.
Clearly that’s why religious people avoid debating existence with other creationists, since it would be entirely counterintuitive to their own goals.
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 1:06am
Well, I’m open to the idea of spiritual planes possibly existing. What I’m NOT open to is assuming something exists without having any solid proof. I’m an atheist, but if there truly is an intelligent God (the Deist God is the only concept of a deity that makes sense to me), it most certainly is not Allah nor Yahweh.
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 5:36am
Hi Greenworld
I have no intentions to track u down, and i don’t care. because to me, u r less than a human, and u do have no heart for the feelings of others. And I am not whining at u or any body else. Its my deity to tell the truth, to save u guys.
And us said “Why should I forgive the suicidal extremists and the Sharia law supporters?”
u people are way misunderstanding us, Suicide is a sin in our religion, u r not allowed to through ur life away. It is an act of cowardice. He will be punished for this act. We never supported sucide. If some one does it, it is using the name of islam, he is not muslim.
and what do u think the word “Sharia” is. It simply says how to live ur life according to Islam, the way of life from waking up till sleep time.
U said. “Mohammed was a pedophile who married a 6-year-old girl and then fornicated her when she turned 9, for example. Yes, “shame” on us for not respecting Islam!”
Dude there is no such thing in Islam. we have our senses and brain with us, who would believe in such a man who does this. Can u support ur answer through any reference, that Muhammad (PBUH) did this? U r not to say what other people say, just answer my question by giving me evidence of Islaminc literature? I need reference to ur baseless comment. If u cant provide, then u have no right to say: “Mohammed was a pedophile who married a 6-year-old girl and then fornicated her when she turned 9, for example. Yes, “shame” on us for not respecting Islam!”
Its just a propaganda against Islam,to make u people believe that Islam is a bad religion. I wounder, from where u get this wrong info.
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 6:50pm
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 4:15pm
Here’s an article on Muhammad the Pedophile:
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/muhtpammed.htm
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 6:45am
You’re assuming that just because “there must be a God out there”, we have to go with Islam. But what if “God” (IF such a thing exists) is totally different from the God that your Koran talks about? What if there are MULTIPLE Gods? You are asserting something which has no rational basis. Science hasn’t figured everything out, sure, but we always change, and evolve for better understanding of our surroundings in the universe. Your religion, however, refuses to improve (as the rest of humanity has) and because of that, your emotional baggage will not overthrow the facts confirmed by science (and ONLY science alone).
Again, you are assuming that because there *must* be some sort of deity out there, you are choosing to throw yourself in with Allah. But what about Horus, Vishnu? Osiris? Zeus? Apollo? Odin? Thor? The list goes on… If you’re going to tell us that *your* God is the *true one*, then kindly focus on debunking the REST of the Gods that have been introduced into human culture before trying to put a leash on what we may or may not say.
If there are multiple gods, there will never be peace in the universe, it logical. One would say for example, I will bring the sun from one side, the other will say NO, i will bring the sun from the opposite side,(same with every decision) there will be fight amongst the creators, if they are more than one.
My dear, our religion, Islam has the very nature of adaptability to every era of human race, as the rules set in this religion are not by any human, but Allah. He(Allah) knows what sort of problems will occur till the end of time, so this religion if the way of life till the very end, bc it is perfect.
2: u keep saying about Science, Science. Science even do not understand what gravity is, how our brain works, how human came to existence, how universe was created.?
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 6:34pm
That’s a load of tripe. Islam is just another knockoff of Judaism, much like Christianity. I like how you think you know; you don’t even question your own religion’s atrocities. The rules of your religion are very much man-made. God was created by men.
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 6:36pm
http://humourpic.com/art/fullview/Picard-FacePalm.jpg
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 6:50am
Every one who needs the answer about the existence of the creator, see my this message, here gain and am copying it. And this time, come up with logical answer. (my issues raised are logical and so are my comments):
“Nobody created us, read a bio-history textbook. What do I think of Mohammed? I think he’s a pedophile and psychopath. “don’t get this knowledge from anti-islam books.” <– Well of course a pro-islam book is going to give you a bunch of bullshit, you have to read the opposition to learn anything useful.
Also stop calling us Christians, we aren't deluded fucking morons like you, believing in fairy tales. And yes, islam is the same bullshit as christianity, it's just a different piece of a terrible trilogy."
well i can say "u have a Diarrhea of mouth."
Ok Andre, u think things just happen, as biology and science claims about the birth of humans?
ok, lets see what u claim:
1: U say the whole formation of galaxy was just an accident, as a result of big bang, or some other scientific phenomenon? (well some of it is true, Islam has said it in Quran 1400 years ago, but it was not an accident)
2: u say things here are going uncontrollably, without under the command of any one? no GOD(Allah)?
(A): It was a very very luck big bang, that caused earth to somehow move around the sun, in a very very precise manner, (If u have read science, as u referred biology, it means u have some know how about science) then u know that magnetic field is very sensitive to distance. try spinning a north pole magnet hanging with a thread(just like pendulum bob hangs with a thread) around a south pole of the other magnet, placing south pole in the center(or vice versa). It requires a very precise rotational velocity to cancel the centripetal force created by magnetic pull, otherwise they will just smash into one another. And now this huge ball of mud is rotating since thousands of years, and no body is looking over?
(B): After big bang, it some how, suddenly happened that thousands of species born after an explosion, what a lucky explosion!. And only Humans developed from single cell to multi-cellular specie, wow. Now think that thousands of years have passed, i haven't seen any single new intelligent or newly mutated specie. If this theory were to be true, then this phenomenon would have occurred in many other forms, because now the chances are even better, due to better climatic condition of earth, than were in early times. we are here on earth for over thousands of years, and we haven't seen any single cell, or multicellular organism to develop into a complex structure like human or close to that, or in some other form. No scientist claims about it? why??
"Human is the state of the art creation of Allah. He is better than any other creature. because allah gave him a power full brain"
My dear it is not an accident, or luck. Or some say that humans, some how just developed from monkeys to human form. Monkeys are still monkeys man, they are not developing in jungles, i haven't seen any monkey using spears and arrow and making homes, going to schools, they are same ever since.
Animals are born with their limited intellect, and they are intelligent by birth, intelligent enough to do what they are born to do, and gain a very little knowledge from out side environment to survive. No animal parent teaches their offspring how to live,eat etc, even if they teach, then it is in their inherent nature, they are bound to do so, bc they were born with it, and their offspring would do the same to their offspring and cycle continues. Only humans are born without intellect, and they have to learn every thing. An infant human child placed near a snake will feel no danger. but a child of mouse, will run away in an instant. So u say animal just some how learn without any one giving knowledge to them at their birth?.
Close to what i said above, is explained in Quran.
(C): U breath, digest, exhale, urinate, take nap, chew food, complex neuron structure of brain, complex blood pumping of heart, kidney functioning etc, just work some how, and developed on their own, without any one to create this complex structure?
u acknowledge that, lets say a car(vehicle) is made by human(by the knowledge that allah gave to him/her) with effort,hard work, time etc, u accept and acknowledge it(other than what i said in brackets about allah).
But if some one say that "I put some metal in one room and closed the door(sealed it), the other day i opened the door, there was a finished vehicle, having engine, seats, wiring, fuel, lights, wheels, glass etc"
who would believe such a stupid story? so all what i want to prove is that, things don't happen them selves, some has to do it. Ok, for instance, one would believe to some extent that that thing happened automatically, but there is a limit man, i mean the whole human is a very very complex machine, the whole phenomenon around the globe are too complex to understand, and are happening in a very very controlled way, so that we can survive. How can this happen automatically???? if car can not be built automatically, then how come the whole universe with that much detail?
without someone doing it(Allah) ?
(D): Ok now u believe so much in biology, i believe too, but not sooooo much.
We have so much technology, can we create a human being with out taking the sperms from any male? why haven't we been able to create a single sperm. as human is an accident, then making sperm should be a piece of cake.
ok lets lower down the difficulty level,because humans r too complex, can we create a SINGLE SEED, (on our own)of any plant/tree etc. how about rice, it is plain, uniform, white. it should be easy, but NO!!. We can go to space with a spaceship, because we have that much technology, but we can't even make a single grain of rice or any other seed.
and we don't know even know what gravity is and how it works yet!!
we can't even make a single fly out of our own. So u say it is a biological phenomenon, and there is no creator??
These are just glimpse dear. U don't have to get angry with me. May be i might have written some wrong concepts/phenomenon about science(as i am human, my knowledge is limited and humans are prone to error), but i made my point clear.
U can argue with me, u can reason with me. But saying all of the sudden that "This is crappy bullshit! etc." this is wrong. it means u r not willing to hear the truth.
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 12:32am
Ok Hammad, I’ve addressed your point (A) elsewhere on this thread so here I want to expand on the first half of point (B).
“Some say that humans somehow just developed from monkeys to human form.”
No learned person would say this because it’s an extreme distortion of the truth.
This point has come up before so I’ll break it down to digestable chunks:
Mankind and modern apes are both descended from a common (and obviously extinct) ancestor. We’ll call him Hal.
Monkeys and other primates are descended from another ancestor. We’ll call him Hammad.
Hal and Hammad are not the same species but they both descended from the same, even older ancestor.
Are you getting this so far? Let’s go back a bit further.
This ancient ape creature, along with other mammals (all of which are now extinct) can be traced back through the generations, using our steadily growing fossil record, from early mammals, back through lizards, amphibians, fish, worms, to minuscule multi celled creatures, to the simplest of life forms.
Moving parallel to this is the evolution of insects, arachnids and mollusks from crustaecans before them.
Modern birds evolved from dinosaurs. Look at an ostrich’s leg if you want proof.
Even flora has evolved through the ages.
Now we have a great versatility of trees, flowers and vegetation, all of which evolved from primitive ferns, grasses, mosses and algae.
There is of course another category of organism that deserves special mention as it is possibly the most successful creature on earth…
No, not the feeble humans, but our most formidable adversary, the virus.
If you claim that there is no evidence to support the theory of evolution then I propose that the resilience of the flu virus in its numerous iterations is proof of the contrary.
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 6:53am
And if u say i am wrong about concept that “science says that, the creation of universe was an explosion, an accident”, then what is ur belief?, what ur science says?. share ur ideas plz. so i can answer accordingly to ur beliefs about science
every body is welcome
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 7:55am
Looks like I missed most of the party.
You raise many points, Hammad. I’ll provide some insight to as much of it as I can over the next few days but my laptop recently died so be patient please.
The main problems I’ve noticed with your argument are as follow:
1) You have a false understanding of evolution. To fully grasp it you need to go back to the very beginning of simple “life”, ie single celled organisms, protozoans, amino acids, algae, plankton, etc. You can’t just jump straight onto complex creatures right away.
You also need to shed this false notion of things happening “by accident”. That implies that in one instant there was no creature of a particular species, then suddenly it existed.
That’s not how it works. The evolutionary process is incremental and results can only be seen across a large period of time (possibly several hundred generations).
You say you’ve yet to find an animal that can process higher thinking such as using tools. This is happening all around us but you’ve obviously never watched a documentary about it. Type in some broad keywords into YouTube for examples, like “orangutan washing” or “chimp cracking nut” or “weaver bird” or “bower bird”.
2) The formation of stars and planets is a far more complicated process than you can imagine. You mockingly say “isn’t it lucky that earth fell into perfect orbit around the sun?” (Or something along those lines). This shows again that you only heard a warped, simplified view of the big bang theory. Earth isn’t a giant, pre-formed marble that just needed to be slotted into orbit. 5 billion years ago, there was no solid earth, but copious amounts of raw material and space dust that coalesced over millions of years to form the early earth. All the mass was brought together by its collective gravity. The heat and pressure generated brought the heaviest elements (such as iron) to the core where it melted and span at great speeds, causing the electromagnetic field that protected earth from the sun’s rays. This further allowed the development of an atmosphere which set the early conditions that allowed life to flourish. I’ve missed numerous vital details but you can easily research this topic further if you were so inclined.
3) Many Muslims claim that “doubt” is good as it is a motivation for deeper understanding, but that is not what I see from what you write. I want you to look at your holy book critically and question it yourself, as you would in any other aspect of your life.
Here’s a website that I found, it breaks down the quran in its entirety and annotates each questionable line. It points out fallacies and contradictions that devout Muslims might be too blind-sided to pick up on themselves. Peace.
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 7:58am
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 11:28am
Looks link u r the only one who I can reason with. I tried to open the link, but request timed out. I will try again some other time.
1:what i wanted to say was, as humans development took a very very long time, to be into its final form, as u say. My question was that, at the very beginning, there should also have to be other species that should have evolved during that much time, i.e., similar to humans, why aren’t they there any?
I specifically mentioned that animals also adapt to the environment they live in. I love to see the documentaries,national geographic, etc. For instance see this interesting crow video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGPGknpq3e0
here crow has adapted his way of life to cities. He even understands signal lights. I know all this stuff, but crow have been here for thousands of years now, but it haven’t developed neither physically nor mentally. but the development is only limited to a very little experience. Like if u pet some animal, he will recognize u.It means they learn. But it is not something that we do. I am here not talking about mental growth, but also physical growth. Like cockroaches, they are said to be there during the time of dinosaurs, 354–295 million years ago(Wikipedia). But none of them have evolved to be as intelligent as us or even close to us. Similarly there would have to be alot of animals, that would have been evolving in parallel with humans till the ancient times, but non are there. Ok I believe to some extent that their sizes might have gone bigger or smaller, but main stuff remains the same. yes every creature adapts it self to its environment, to survive, like that crow in you tube.
2: There is always some scientific phenomenon against every process, it is also written in Quran about big bang, it did happened(If u wanted the verse, i will provide). But who imitated the process, and such a complicated phenomenon have been working since millions of years passed, and being working flawlessly, it is surprising that there is no one to do it. Like i gave u the example of CAR, made automatically when some metal was put in a sealed room. it is not possible. What our science says about it? it also says that if u put some metal in closed room, even after trillion years, no car will be formed, or no nothing will form. Because it need some one to process it man. to make pistons(heart), to make light(eyes), to have exhaust(waste), to have a need for fuel(food). I am just saying it, otherwise there is nothing in common between us and a car.
Science is merely keeping up with, and understanding how things are made, like with the development of science, we learn how heart works, how kidneys work, but we are still learning how brain works(Because brain is not fully understood). Science is just learning what Allah has already made, and still learning. But things do not happen by them self.
And people say every thing they have in their mouth about our beloved profet, but if he was just a foolish(naoozubilla), or what ever people say, then how can Quran, the book given to him, said about big band 1400 years ago, which science is still trying figure out. Quran predicted too many things before its time, like Ferro(an evil man) his mummy discovered, Ship of Noha, it is discovered, it was said in Quran 1400 years ago. I don’t have time but i will tell u someother time that there are a lot of predictions in quran that are exactly there, happening now. No human is capable enough to predict such thing in 1400 years time span. there are a lot of scientific explanation in quran that were impossible to 1400 years ago without the knowledge of science(which now science confirms to be true), then how that book fore told such phenomenon, if it was written by a human?
Buy understanding how something happened over the course of time(be it million years or so) through science, doesn’t mean it is science who did it. I my self am a very scientific person I understand.
Every thing is going in a very planned way.
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 1:37pm
There is absolutely no reason for any other creatures to develop the same way we did. This is yet more misunderstanding of evolution.
As far as the random car idea goes, I’ll say this: putting it in a room with nothing else will have no results, true. If, however, a hurricane were to pass through a junkyard millions upon millions of times, or even billion upon billions of times, there is the possibility that the right parts will be thrown around at the right time to put a car together, or an airplane, or a toaster for that matter. Scrap metal in a room is a flawed analogy, whereas the random passing of hurricanes on a junkyard is a better one, as it takes into consideration an outside random force of nature.
The big bang is not a confirmed theory, and is merely speculation on what we know so far.
Predictions in the koran? Nostradamus made a lot of predictions as well, it’s really easy to use word games to predict just about anything, it doesn’t mean you’re actually reading into the future. All it is is taking advantage of man’s uncanny desire to know their own futures by playing mind tricks on them.
Science never claimed to DO anything, it merely seeks to understand that which nobody else understood before.
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 2:47pm
Andre raises some fair points here. The “car analogy” you used has been broken down by Richard dawkins in a book called the blond watchmaker. Also there is no final product of evolution. Every living creature, including man, is an intermediary stage. We will all continue to evolve.
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 2:48pm
Blond?
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 3:10pm
lol blond.
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 5:31pm
Alright alright I meant blind. Cursed predictive/proximity text.
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 12:22pm
“Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path)”. al baqara(18)
ur thinking is in a small box ,,,,,,, i pray allah to open ur minds and hearts …..
everything is in the quran !!!!! ….
every single thing science has been able to find !!!!!!!!!!…
science evolves around the quran … everything is clear ,,, praise be to god!!!!
In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves). (10)
When it is said to them: “Make not mischief on the earth,” they say: “Why, we only Want to make peace!” (11)
Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise (it) not.(12)
(al baqara 10 – 11)
Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of night and day,- there are indeed Signs “for men of understanding”,- al imran (190)
if u guys wanted to know truth sincerely,,, u will know insha allah,,,…….. i guranty …. u guys just like mocking and wasting your times typing words wich u will grieve and regret in that 6 feet hole!!!! stop wasting time !!!!! read quran (the miracle)
i dare you …. stop acting like deaf dumb blind ,,,,, dnt be in this box .. where u only beleive what you hear ….. jews , control the whole world , they got the media , america , europe …. u just listen to every single it they say about islam ….. think bout ur grade??? have you got a free mind???/ ..,,, deaf dumb blind ,,, dnt be ,,,
god is merciful …… learn about islam and talk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
go to the source !!!! QURAN !!!
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 12:32pm
“Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path)”. al baqara(18)
ur thinking is in a small box ,,,,,,, i pray allah to open ur minds and hearts …..
everything is in the quran !!!!! ….
every single thing science has been able to find !!!!!!!!!!…
science evolves around the quran … everything is clear ,,, praise be to god!!!!
In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves). (10)
When it is said to them: “Make not mischief on the earth,” they say: “Why, we only Want to make peace!” (11)
Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise (it) not.(12)
(al baqara 10 – 11)
Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of night and day,- there are indeed Signs “for men of understanding”,- al imran (190)
if u guys wanted to know truth sincerely,,, u will know insha allah,,,…….. i guranty …. u guys just like mocking and wasting your times typing words wich u will grieve and regret in that 6 feet hole!!!! stop wasting time !!!!! read quran (the miracle)
i dare you …. stop acting like deaf dumb blind ,,,,, dnt be in this box .. where u only beleive what you hear ….. jews , control the whole world , they got the media , america , europe …. u just listen to every single it they say about islam ….. think bout ur grade??? have you got a free mind???/ ..,,, deaf dumb blind ,,, dnt be ,,,
god is merciful …… learn about islam and talk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
go to the source !!!! QURAN !!! this is the test brothers …. u are been monitored every second!!!!! dnt waste ur time ……… stop talking rubbish and try to have the ilm (knowledge)i warn you!!!!!!!!! stop before u greive and regret!!!!!!1111111111
may god give us hidaayah ,,, …
all muslim brothers and sister!!!!! may god bless you … masha allah!!! …
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
When the victory of Allah has come and the conquest, (1) And you see the people entering into the religion of Allah in multitudes, (2) Then exalt [Him] with praise of your Lord and ask forgiveness of Him. Indeed, He is ever Accepting of repentance. (3) (An-nasr)
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 1:53pm
A sickness in our hearts… Really? You’re quoting the same surah that claims menstruation is also a disease.
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 1:12pm
Hi “warning” where r u from? what u do? whats ur age?
My dear they will not listen to the warnings of Quran, when they don’t believe I Quran.
They need the so called scientific proof!!. And yet they don’t know that science is not here to prove Islam, but Islam is here to prove science. As science confirms after, what is said centuries ago in Quran and Hadees
Great. May Allah Bless u dude.
Friday September 3rd, 2010 @ 7:02pm
Has science confirmed that the Sun orbits around Earth, and not the other way around?
21:33 & 35:13
Has science confirmed that ALL sorts of life are created by pairs and no living thing has ever reproduced asexually?
51:49
Has science confirmed that Earth “never moves”?
27:61
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 6:32am
Dear Greenworld? are u asking something? These are the questions for science.
I don’t quite understand what u wanted to say, Please elaborate.
If u want the answer to ur questions according to Quran, then its ok, if u ask i will provide u. (even though no religion is here to teach science or confirm it, but our creator Allah, has told the secrets of this world 1400 years ago , so we can recognize him with the power of science. And there was no chance that Muhammad(P.B.U.H) would use scientific equipments in that time to say such facts, that science is confirming now)
for example:
Narrated Abu Huraira: “Allah’s Apostle said, “If a fly falls in the vessel of any of you, let him dip all of it (into the vessel) and then throw it away, for in one of its wings there is a disease and in the other there is healing (antidote for it) i.e. the treatment for that disease.” (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 673)”
Narrated Abu Huraira: “The Prophet said “If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease.” (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 537)”
How could Muhammad (P.B.U.H) could have said such a thing 1400 years back, with out any scientific equipment, and science now confirms it. Who would say that if a House fly falls into your food, instead of taking it out immediately, one should intentionally dip it in. Human logic would say no, this is wrong. But now as we have science we confirmed that Muhammad(P.B.U.H) said correct.
this is only one example, there are a lot many examples like these in islamic teachings
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 6:37am
Please note, the saying did not mean that u catch a fly and dip it in ur Drink. It says if an it falls accidentally.
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 7:35am
Nonesense. Disease on one wing and antidote on the other? Do you really believe this. Ever heard of bacteria?
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 10:33am
Its not me, your science says so(and was said by Prophet centuries ago). The fly carries the germs on its one wing, and cure (antibiotic) for the same type of germs on the other wing. Be it bacteria, virus etc. so by dipping it in, the effect cancels itself
It is scientifically proven by non muslim scientist.
please see these sites:
http://www.englishbaby.com/blog/M_honor/view_entry/31520
http://www.answering-christianity.com/hadiths_of_the_fly.htm
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 10:40am
No Hammad, it doesn’t work that way. Flies are filthy creatures that carry bacteria ALL OVER their bodies, and may transmit other contagions and parasites through their faeces, bites or even by contaminating food with their eggs.
This “antidote on the wing” idea is preposterous and has no basis in modern science.
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 10:40am
u question is the same as, “have u seen atom, electron, neutron, if not then why u believe it”. We believe it because it is scientific fact, we read about atoms and stuff. But when the reference is from Prophet, we dont agree, even if it is scientifically proven.
we just say: Muhammad, the lord of Flies(Nao-zu-billah)
or just blow away the topic by just saying,: “eww! its disgusting, who would spoil his food”. etc.
My dear Hal, i am not saying this to u, but this is what those people say who don’t want to believe. Reference is there, research is there, no one can defy it.
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 1:41pm
This right here is why for the most part I refuse to even try with you people.
You have absolutely no basic understanding of modern science, yet claim that you do with posts like your more recent ones.
You make bad analogies and you present bad science. Quite frankly I wouldn’t even call it science.
The closest thing to the crap you’re saying about flies is that a snake bite, for one example, which is venomous and can harm humans, can often be cured by extracting venom from the same type of snake and engineering an antivirus from it. This takes lots of work, and is not as simple as you make it sound with your comments about flies.
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 11:05pm
Hi Andre, what is ur qualification?
“You have absolutely no basic understanding of modern science, yet claim that you do with posts like your more recent ones.”
how qualified u think u r brat?
And if u disagree, then prove me wrong!!!! bring any scientific evidence that proves me wrong SCIENTIFICALLY!!!
This is no reply: “that i dont believe in this bulshit etc.”
Some idiot like your self must have said the same thing back in those days, when some scients were researching the snakes venom.
and it is not like creating medicine from flies, but the Prophet meant was that, if the fly accidentally falls in the drink, to nullify the harmful germs in the fly, one should dip it fully, and then through the fly away.
Truly, there is no medicine for stupidity.
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 10:42am
Have u seen the reference URLs that i quote?
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 10:49am
see, i quoted the reference here for ur convenience:
“Ordinarily when a fly touches a liquid food it infects the liquid with its pathogens, so it must be dipped in order to release also the antidote for those pathogens to act as a counter balance to the pathogens. ”
this line is taken from yet another website:
http://www.islam-a2z.com/some_of_the_prophet.htm
I have heard that a non-muslim scientist tested 100 scientific sayings of Muhammad (P.B.U.H), and out of 100, 97 were true. And the for the other 3, he never mind testing, because it was enough proof. Saying about the “Fly”, was also one of them
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 11:05am
Dr. Nurdeen DEURASEH*
* Senior Lecturer Faculty of Human Ecology Universiti Putra Malaysia 43400 UPM Serdang, Selangor, Malaysia
e-mail:
he also confirms it.
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 11:22am
I chose to ignore your helpful links since I prefer to do my own research. A website with the word islam in it is hardly going to be neutral, and you’ve already shown your eagerness to accept substandard proofs as absolute.
You mentioned several times that the qur’an can prove its miracle by describing the big bang.
I’m guessing you’re refering to surat al-anbiya (21: the prophets). Here are the relevant verses for those who want a quick reference:
21:30 Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then we parted them,..
21:33 And he it is who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They float, each in orbit.
If you submitted the above text to any scientific academy as proof of the description of the big bang, you would be laughed out of the building.
First of all, it’s vague and sparce on details, do you not agree? Before you give me your spiel about the difference between tafsir and ta’wil I should direct you to a more likely source to the origin of this notion.
I recommend you read some Greek mythology. In particular, the story of the castration of Uranus by the titan Cronus.
In the Greek myths, it was believed that Uranus (the sky) permanently enveloped Gaia (the earth) and endlessly coupled with her. This coupling caused her to become impregnated with the first generation of titans, the problem was that he never ceased to couple and these titans became trapped within her, causing great discomfort. As an act of desperation, Gaia created within her a sickle that she gave to her trapped unborn titan, Cronus, so he may castrate his father Uranus, freeing all the titans within Gaia and CAUSING THE HEAVEN TO PART FROM EARTH, therefore creating the horizon. That is quite clearly the basis for the above verses, but modified to suit a monotheistic culture.
Looking at the verse 33, one should immediately notice that the sun is INCORRECTLY described as “floating” or orbiting around a seemingly fixed earth (this point is reiterated time and again throughout the qur’an).
You can use that clue to establish that the “perspective” of the qur’an is an earthbound one looking up at the sky, further proving it was written by men, not a god that encompasses all of time and space.
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 4:01pm
Hal, just letting you know… I’m sorry for what I said a few months ago. I just thought someone was impersonating you, but then I saw that that “impostor” had the same user icon as yours, so.. yeah.
Anyway, keep it up with your arguments. It’s good to have an ex-Muslim (assuming you were) proving these silly people wrong. You’re much better at this than I am. So thanks!
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 5:16pm
It’s all good Greenworld, no harm done.
I just like to debate and we’re usually on the same side so no need to dwell on something so small.
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 5:19pm
That’s cool. Thanks for understanding. I thought it was an impostor because of how Andre reacted to it.
Do you have an account on the forums? I would like to add you to my instant messengers (if you use any). Just PM me there and I’ll give you my screen names.
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 6:47pm
Which comment was this?
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 4:59pm
Man, I hate how these comment pages are all cluttered. I wish we were doing this on the forum, not the blog.
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 6:50pm
https://irreligion.org/2008/06/19/islamic-cartoons/comment-page-4/#comment-28254
It was this one, Andre.
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 5:20pm
I posted Muhammad cartoons! https://irreligion.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=140
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 6:48pm
https://irreligion.org/2008/06/19/islamic-cartoons/comment-page-4/#comment-28254
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 6:49pm
https://irreligion.org/2008/06/19/islamic-cartoons/comment-page-4/#comment-28254
This one. You were puzzled here, that’s why I thought someone was impersonating Hal.
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 6:50pm
Go to page 4 and search for the term “track”
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 6:57pm
oh lmfao I was just messin’ with Hal on that one.
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 7:11pm
lol
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 9:03pm
Probably shouldn’t have bothered, I can be very convincing.
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 10:06pm
It’s kind of a shame on my part actually, since I like to say sarcastic things too. Can’t believe I fell for it. :P
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 6:56pm
Ian, something wrong happened. I couldn’t see my previous comments, so I just kept posting. Sorry.
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 10:47pm
1: Ok do your research on the saying about the “Fly”. And also please inform me about ur findings. But I won’t accept any biased response from those who don’t experiment and just say things. Ok?
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2: Now secondly u referenced some verses:
a)——-Hal u r wrong again. One can not understand the meaning of quran correctly, just by reading its translation, without the full knowledge of Hadith. Hadith interprets Quran(and u said it yourself). I know this might not convince u, bc even some Muslims in the modern era are not accepting this fact, because they say we got brains and we can understand mere translation of quran, and they eventually interpret it wrong. It ok, it’s ok. Not ur fault, u won’t listen.
There are numerous places where the meaning of the quran even reverses(If a common reader reinterprets it), that’s why we have scholars who interpret islam properly.
B)——Sun is flotation in the universe. isn’t it?
It seems alright to me, I mean sun is not placed on a horizontal surface, it is floating in space. And so are all the planets. (This is very right, and considering the time when it was said, it’s a miracle for a man of that era to say such a thing, unless wisdom was relayed to him by Allah)
c)——And every thing is rotating in its orbit, isn’t it?
Quran is true here also. Think about it, if this book was just a fraud, then who could have said such thing as floating around their orbit, 1400 years ago?
d)——U said: “Looking at the verse 33, one should immediately notice that the sun is INCORRECTLY described as “floating” or orbiting around a SEEMINGLY FIXED EARTH (this point is reiterated time and again throughout the qur’an)”.
I have read again the translation, just now (the world earth, is not even used in that verse), it is not mentioned any where in verse #33, nor it seem like, that earth is fixed. I am quoting the translation of verse# 33, directly from quran here:
“The one Allah, who created day and night, sun and the moon. Each one of them is floating in THEIR OWN orbit”
Other translation would be:
“He is the one who created day and night, sun and the moon. Each one of them is floating in THEIR RESPECTIVE orbit”
So it is clear that each has its own orbit, not one orbit, i.e., And in this verse it is written no where that they are orbiting the “earth”. If that were the case then this verse would not have specifically mentioned “THEIR OWN orbit”. (Again considering the time when it was said, it’s a miracle for a man of that era to say such a thing)
And the word “ORBIT” confirms that they are not fixed but moving, as u might have assumed them to be fixed buy misinterpreting the word floating(as object floating on the surface of the sea, may be misinterpreted as stationary).
I am afraid to say that your interpretation was wrong!
In the whole quran, there is not a single verse which specifically say that sun revolve around the earth. (As far as my knowledge goes)
Also in normal speech we sometime (in fact most of the time) use earth as our reference point, and say sun to be moving. We do not mean it literally, but we just keep the old convention, like for instance:
“sun will rise from the east”
OR
“sun is at the top at 12 O’clock”
OR
“I feel so sad when the sun is drowning in the ocean” etc.
These are just used as a figure of speech, like we normally do in our daily language. Same is the case in Quran. I am not talking about this verse # 33. Because this verse is crystal clear, because it specifically relates, orbit and stuff, that’s why it was written clearly.
But in other cases, where the reason is not to specifically relate the planets, then casual figure of speech might be used, where it may seem like the earth is fixed and sun is orbiting it. It’s a common sense.
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3: U are quite right that the information is VAGUE AND SPARSE on details, as there are reasons:
1)–because as I said earlier, to fully understand it u have to have full knowledge of Arabic language and Hadith. For this reason there are Muslim scholars who have inherited this knowledge directly from Muhammad(P.B.U.H), they can understand Arabic fully. And this knowledge is passed on from generation to generation. An Islamic scholar is ONLY the one who can tell his generations back till Muhammad (P.B.U.H). Any other person who learnt Islam on his own is not an Islamic scholar.
2)—When u see: E=mc2, no one say that it is “VAGUE AND SPARSE” because it is just a result of a lot of research, every body believes it. Similarly, in the Holy Quran, only E=mc2 sort of thing is written, the main thing not the whole story, as the agenda of the book is different, it is not here to explain scientific phenomenon. Also Arabic is a very complex, artistic and poetical language by nature! A single word can mean a host of meanings. So only the one with true knowledge of Arabic fully understands it.
3)—A religion and its Book is there to instruct his believers how to follow the religion, so quran is not here to speak the topics of science or to prove it, this book was written for entirely different purpose, even then it is true to science. Like big bang, Islam has nothing to do with it, but to provide just the idea to people, how their earth was created, hint was given in quran by Allah (But how can a man think of such a thing in that era???),
4)—And by the way science also have no concrete evidence of Big Bang, research is still on its way, neither the evolution of man form single cellular organism is scientifically proven. They are all theories, and are doubtful, like light: being wave nature or particle nature or both!
4: U know it’s a miracle of this book that it easily gets memorized (the entire book!). Even a 6,7 year old can do it(in just 1.5 to 2 years only). I have also memorized 15 chapters. (Half of quran).
It seems impossible. But Allah has said that he made is easy for us to remember.
The whole quran man!!!
I am tired now, I haven’t slept because I was typing u this reply. And I also have to submit my Master’s thesis soon, so I will be busy for few days. But if I get some time I will reply to your questions.
And Hal, were u Muslim initially and converted to atheism? Bc Greenworld said so
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 11:04pm
So I can see that only the first little bit about the fly is directed at me. I’ve done this research. I know how this works. I HAVE to know how this works as I spend weeks at a time in the woods sometimes, it’s just knowledge that comes with the hobby.
Furthermore, don’t tell us that we need to do research when we tell you that you’re wrong, as your only source is a 1400 year old book with no basis in modern science whatsoever.
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 11:21pm
B. Okay, the first person to say that the earth circled the sun lived over 2000 years ago, not your prophet. The knowledge was there, it was just more commonly rejected as Christianity was the powerhouse religion for all of those years.
C. Not everything orbits the sun, just the planets within our solar system. Our sun is just another star in a galaxy of billions of stars, and our galaxy is just another galaxy in a universe of billions of galaxies. Our sun isn’t even close at all to the centre of our own galaxy, let alone the universe.
D. It’s no miracle at all for someone to say these things 1400 years ago! The idea is over 2000 years old!!
Somewhat related: how old does the koran say that the earth is?
Why exactly are some verses in your book “crystal clear” while others are “normal speech” as you have put it here? Shouldn’t they all be crystal clear? Why would a god as you define one write a book like this? Wouldn’t he be beyond “normal speech”?
1. So only a “true islamic scholar” can read the koran, but then you exclude the fact that these guys can also just decide what it means based on what they want it to mean. They don’t have to tell you what it really says, they could just as easily add to it if they wanted to.
2. You cannot compare Einstein’s famous equation to your book, they have nothing to do with one another.
3. Again, ideas about a big bang aren’t all that new. It’s not at all extraordinary for these ideas to be floating around back then, IF they even did at all, because like I said, your “true islamic scholars” can change the koran whenever they please and you’ll blindly believe them when they said the passage was always there.
4. So what you’re saying is, because science doesn’t know EVERYTHING, your book automatically does? It doesn’t work that way, bud.
4.2 I could memorize any book with enough practice. A few years ago I could easily recide pi to 35 decimal places. Your book isn’t special. In fact I know a few people who have entire chapters of The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy memorized. Does that make Douglas Adams a holy prophet and his book a holder of ultimate truths?
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 11:16pm
who told u that i have no scientific knowledge. I am compairing the old book to modern science.
Just going to woods doesn’t mean that us can see microscopic stuff, or u take the whole laboratory with u?lol
or your research is just limited to visual entertainment!!
Fool, this in not how modern research is done, u have to have a lab. Mr. Tarzan
and look who is talking “don’t tell US that we need to do research when we tell you that you’re wrong”.
who is this “Us”? i mean u and what army?
“I know how this works. I HAVE to know how this works as I spend weeks at a time in the woods sometimes, it’s just knowledge that comes with the hobby.”
so will our little Mr.Tarzan explain us Muslims (stone aged people), how u performed ur research in jungle? as u said u know how it works.
what a bottom less pit of ignorance u r!
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 11:23pm
Wow.
You really are stupid.
Did I say I did the research in the woods?
No.
I said I did the research, because I have to know these things if I’m going to spend time in the woods.
You fucking moron.
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 11:18am
Now u spilled it out, ur true self that is. “like u said you **** moron”.
All ur arguments r wrong.
1:what you researched, what was the experimental setup, and what were the results when u dipped the fly
2: what is the name of that person, who said 2000 years ago about the earth revolving the sun? any historical reference? evidence about the existence of that man?
3: U said by referring me that “C. Not everything orbits the sun, just the planets within our solar system.”. Oh man, u ignorance knows no limits. Who on earth told u that i said every thing revolves around the sun. I was giving the explanation of the translation of verse # 33 of surah “Al-Ambiya”. Where is it said every thing is floating in ITS OWN ORBIT. I never said that every thing revolves around sun.
4: u asked how old is the earth according to quran, well I don’t know yet, but i will find it for u. Yes it is said that earth was there before the creation of ADAM, even 1000s of years back. and at that time jinnat used to live on eath, and they are created out of fire
5: I said, when in ur own language, u are saying some scientific fact, or explain some scientific phenomenon, u use precise words to explain the situation. but when u r talking casually, this to not hold true, as i gave the examples above. As quran is also written in some language(Arabic), so it also uses the same concept. U deliberately asked that question, though I made it clear earlier. thats because truth heart ur feelings
6: Andre why u go to school, college or university? why are there teacher, professors, when there are books available?. U have the book, u can read and understand it, why do we need to have schools and universities? One can read himself?
The reason is simple, one cannot understand fully from the book unless some one teach it.Take any subject, teacher is required.
Similarly an Islamic Scholar is the one who teaches Quran and Hadith. so simple yet ur thick brain….
7: It is the honor of E=mc2 that I used it to explain the concept about the comprehensive nature of Quran.
8. u said “So what you’re saying is, because science doesn’t know EVERYTHING, your book automatically does? It doesn’t work that way, bud.”
science is just a child which is still developing. It just says that it has merely understood just how things work, needless to say, science still has to move a long way to understand how we, our self work fully!! Science can tell how tings are done, but can never tell who did it.
9: U said”I could memorize any book with enough practice. A few years ago I could easily recide pi to 35 decimal places. Your book isn’t special. In fact I know a few people who have entire chapters of The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy memorized.
Dude don’t make me laugh. remembering pi to 35 decimal places, tells how stupid u r to waste ur time over nothing. secondly, this is nothing compared to memorizing Quran. pi to 35 decimals equals to just 2 or three verses of quran(merely 2 to 3 lines). And to non arab it is similar to memorize, pi to more than million decimal place. as memorizing non native language is even more difficult to memorize.
And u mentioned memorizing,”Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy”. Please be informed, i am saying, memorizing word by word, not just narrating the tale. I memorized word by word half of quran. And we listen to each others quran in Holy Ramadan Month of ramadan. I mean, one person recites while other listens, without looking the book, and even the error of an alphabet in this listening process is considered as mistake!! Its miracle.
Sorry dude, if I hurt your feelings. I am sorry if I said u a “Tarzan” or “ignorant fool” or “Brat”. These words really have nothing to do with our conversation.
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 11:21pm
what is ur qualification?
“You have absolutely no basic understanding of modern science, yet claim that you do with posts like your more recent ones.”
how qualified u think u r brat?
And if u disagree, then prove me wrong!!!! bring any scientific evidence that proves me wrong SCIENTIFICALLY!!!
This is no reply: “that i dont believe in this bulshit etc.”
Some idiot like your self must have said the same thing back in those days, when some scients were researching the snakes venom.
and it is not like creating medicine from flies, but the Prophet meant was that, if the fly accidentally falls in the drink, to nullify the harmful germs in the fly, one should dip it fully, and then through the fly away.
Truly, there is no medicine for stupidity.
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 11:25pm
Truly, there is not.
Oh but wait, reading OTHER books other than your koran and it’s related garbage WOULD be a sort of “medicine” for stupidity!
Dipping the fly in completely would just add more germs, not get rid of them. Have fun getting sick and enjoy your fly larvae infused water. I’m sure it’s delicious!
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 11:33pm
Hammad:
There are a few movies that you should watch.
They’re more directed towards Christianity, but the basic premise applies to islam as well.
The Root of all Evil – Richard Dawkins
Religulous – Bill Maher
The Genius of Charles Darwin – Richard Dawkins
I’ll come back with more to add to this list when I find the titles. If you want science, this is where you’re going to get it. There was a special on TV on our discovery channel recently with Stephen Hawking as well, I’ll see if I can find the title of that, it will respond to a lot of your comments you’ve made here.
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 1:55pm
I think the documentary you’re referring to, with Hawking and Dawkins is called Genius of Britain, unless if there’s a newer one I’m not aware of. GoB has 5 episodes and is definitely worth a watch.
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 2:32pm
I think they’re two different ones, as I’ve been meaning to find the one you’ve just mentioned as well. Genius of Darwin is a 2 parter and it loosely follows Darwin’s life and his voyages on The Beagle, but mostly looks at his accomplishments.
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 2:59pm
There was a film made last year about the life of Darwin. It’s called “Creation”. Could have been much better but probably still worth a watch. The Genius of Darwin is much better.
Genius of Britain basically summarizes the accomplishments of Britain’s greatest scientists from the 17th century to date.
Co-presented by various scientists including Hawking & Dawkins.
They even interview each other in an almost surreal scene where Hawking asks Dawkins what is his obsession with God.
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 3:27pm
I’ll definitely have to find both of these then. I have several others including The Four Horsemen and The Enemies of Reason that I have yet to watch as well.
Tuesday November 16th, 2010 @ 6:26pm
these books are written by the devil they are lies that fooled man
the only true book is quran!!
Wednesday November 17th, 2010 @ 7:09am
You must be joking. Tell us you’re joking. The Quran is full of contradictions – how it can be true?
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 11:39pm
Hammad look! Another future-telling prophet!
http://www.wimp.com/predictingfuture/
Wow, it’s absolutely a miracle that someone in the ’60s could have these ideas of the future!
How amazing!
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 11:44pm
And now for something you’ll REALLY enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXfmjMlPEic
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 11:48pm
Islam is a fastest growing religion due to some reason, because it is true religion. U will see when death with come, then your screams and sorrow wont do any thing. Like ferro did, when he was dying due to drowning.
And Allah said in Quran that I will preserve his body as a symbol for others, so his body was found lately and is in the Museum.
see this url about GIANT SIZE HUMAN SKELETONS:
http://dailylinked.blogspot.com/2009/07/giant-human-skeleton-ever-saw.html
This is not any Muslim site. So unbiased.
Those people existed, as indicated buy Islamic teachings, but they disobeyed Allah, and were destroyed, the way they were destroyed is also written in Islamic history, and they are being discovered now, but we Muslims know 1400 years back!!!
U may say, we are disobeying too, why don’t we get destroyed, it is because Muhammad (P.B.U.H) prayed that my people till the end of time should not be eradicated on mass scale like other nations got wiped out entirely. other wise according to the so called “Darwin theory of :the survival of the fittest”, they should have survived till now, bc they were better then us in strength.
Same goes with the ship of Noah. being discovered now, but mentioned way earlier in Islam that it got discovered. with shape and structure matched as described in islam. And surprisingly it is your science that even futher validates the time period of these prehistoric stuff through carbon dating or what so ever.
But what can we say, u are already filled with hate, i say the “glass of water is Half Full”, but your thinking say no!, “The glass of water is Half empty”
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 11:53pm
The images you have linked are fake, and were proven to be so a long time ago. Look at the tags on the images! Worth1000 is a popular photoshop website where amateurs across the world make interesting images with photoshop and other image editing software. Others say copyright 2000 cornell university program of computer graphics. Come on, now you’re just falling prey to even more than your silly book.
As for you next point, that is NOT at all what Darwin’s theory dealt with. What you are talking about now is social darwinism and we atheists reject that concept wholeheartedly.
When did they discover noah’s ark? That boat never existed but by all means show me some papers on the subject. Science does not validate your theories through carbon dating. Don’t make me laugh.
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 11:57pm
Hell, the article you linked states that Brahma created those giant people, not allah. Good job with that one. Did you read that page or just look at the pictures?
Saturday September 4th, 2010 @ 11:58pm
see those pic in a video form , but still in picture form. but bigger and higher resolution is available. I suppose u might have seen them already.
http://dailylinked.blogspot.com/2009/07/giant-human-skeleton-ever-saw.html
they are real net editted
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 12:00am
I also have to wonder if you read the disclaimer at the bottom of the page.
” The content that is published contains rumors, nicotine, speculation, beautiful girls, funny pictures, assumptions, opinions, ugly people, and factual information. Postings may contain erroneous or inaccurate information.”
Only some of the posts on this website are factual, but apparently most of them are just for a fun read, or a joke. Today you’ve only proven your incredible lack of an ability to do any sort of proper research.
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 12:01am
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071214-giant-skeleton_2.html
Here’s the source that the website you linked cites.
Hoax.
Way to fuck up, bud.
You really blew it this time.
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 12:04am
Here, you don’t even have to go to my link to read the best part.
How the Image Was Made
IronKite started with an aerial photo of a mastodon excavation in Hyde Park, New York, in 2000. He then digitally superimposed a human skeleton over the beast’s remains.
The later addition of a digging man presented the biggest technical challenge.
“If you look, he’s holding a yellow-handled shovel, but there’s nothing on the end,” IronKite said.
“Originally, the spade end was there. But [it] looked like it was occupying the exact same space as the skeleton’s temple, making the whole thing look fake.
“Now it looks like he’s just holding a stick, and people don’t notice. It’s funny.”
IronKite also altered the color of the man’s clothing to create a “uniform tie-in” with the white-shirted observer peering down from the wooden platform.
The two figures work to exaggerate the scale of the skeleton, he added.
(Related: “Shark ‘Photo of the Year’ Is E-Mail Hoax” [March 8, 2005].)
IronKite said he’s tickled that the picture—which took only about an hour and a half to create—has generated so much Internet attention.
“I laugh myself silly when some guy claims to know someone who was there, or even goes so far as to claim that he or she was there when they found the skeleton and took the picture,” IronKite said.
“Sometimes people seem so desperate to believe in something that they lie to themselves, or exaggerate in order to make their own argument stronger.”
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 12:06am
Do you feel stupid yet?
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 2:31pm
YOU are STYUPIDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 4:49am
this time i am with andre i had read about this before all of you in one of egyptian newspaper
quraan say that Folk of aad Sculpture houses in the mountains also thier bodies were Enormous
I. .. After eight hours of death wrapped leg to leg. And tends nose .. And stiffened organs
II .. After 12 hours of death … Blood accumulates in the elbows
and knees , .. In mid back of the body
III … After three days … Bloated abdomen from the decomposition of materials
IV .. Two weeks after … Burst abdomen Badawi Maktoum troubleshooting fluids and materials dissolved ..
V. … After four weeks … Melt the eyes, falling teeth .. And drops the scalp and eyelashes, and eyebrows.
VI … Three months after the body becomes like gel .. So that the features disappear .. It is difficult to distinguish between the head and feet
VII .. 6 months after the body begins to melt and mix with the soil
VIII .. After a full year .. You can only find the bones and begin to fade out in this period
IX .. No remains of the body but coffin
so after our death with few period we became soil dust
this is was the idea of pharoah Mummification they protect the body or bones of the body from decomposition of its materials and islam say that we created from dust and after death nothing will remain but dust but islam did not say search about ancient people or they may be exist anything from them until now
also the images were so normal it was Skeleton but with zoom there is no missing parts lik Mummies and other ancient stuff so it is fake
it is impossible to find body since thousands of years without cover
so study islam it is huge window of science
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 4:57am
people who said we only believe science hear this
i read that Scientists said they only discovered 10% from universe Secrets
it is low ratio
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 5:06am
it is 11:00 am in egypt now
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 6:06am
Its ok. Those figures might not be true. I admit. And Andre, I have already seen that url:http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071214-giant-skeleton_2.html,,before sending u the posts. But its very human nature to cover up things they gather, and tell them as hoax. But it might not be true as u said.
And muslim girl, what about the bones of the dinosaurs. Just asking for info, how their remains were found?
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 6:35am
And u guy keep yapping about science science!!
For some thing to be called as scientific phenomenon, there are different stages into which the problem goes through, like abstract/Idea, hypothesis, experimentation etc. When something gets experimentally proven, then it is tested under numerous conditions. Then it becomes a fundamental law or truth.
But in the case of Big Bang, only idea, and hypothesis is there, No experimental evidence. And yet u believe in it so much.
This in not how science works.
2ndly, We have no experimental evidence that human evolution was from single cellar organism. And u guys curse time, that it is a time consuming phenomenon, so cannot be tested experimentally. If cannot be tested, then it is not scientific phenomenon.
i asked questions about evolution earlier, and no body dared to answer them. Hal tried to answer(by wrongly interpreting my message) but then my response(clarification) to his reply was unanswered(i am pasting my “clarification” in my next post again).
Without experimentation, it is no science, but stupid theories by the scientists. like Darwin theory, that got rejected, and so will the evolution theory, some day.
whether Big bang exists or not, whether sun revolves around the earth or earth revolves around the sun, this has nothing to do with quran and islam. Though hint of big bang is provided in the quran. And it is not specifically mentioned any where about the rotation of the sun around the earth or opposite.
Because it is a religious book, it basically has nothing to do with science, yet what this book says do not conflict with science.
Ur beliefs just revolve around untested theories
And yes about the bones of huge skeleton, I believed that they might not the actual stuff, as u said, because in Quran it is never said that Allah preserved those large skeletons.
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 5:31pm
I thought I cited the passages from the Koran supporting such a claim? In case you overlooked them, here they are again: 21:33 & 35:13
All I ask is how you can rationalize this? Because it appears to be a literal assumption. And since Muslims claim that the Koran is the “Word of God”, wouldn’t this contradict his alleged “infinite knowledge”? Please answer me this.
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 6:38am
My old post Unanswered, here again:
“Looks link u r the only one who I can reason with. I tried to open the link, but request timed out. I will try again some other time.
1:what i wanted to say was, as humans development took a very very long time, to be into its final form, as u say. My question was that, at the very beginning, there should also have to be other species that should have evolved during that much time, i.e., similar to humans, why aren’t they there any?
I specifically mentioned that animals also adapt to the environment they live in. I love to see the documentaries,national geographic, etc. For instance see this interesting crow video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGPGknpq3e0
here crow has adapted his way of life to cities. He even understands signal lights. I know all this stuff, but crow have been here for thousands of years now, but it haven’t developed neither physically nor mentally. but the development is only limited to a very little experience. Like if u pet some animal, he will recognize u.It means they learn. But it is not something that we do. I am here not talking about mental growth, but also physical growth. Like cockroaches, they are said to be there during the time of dinosaurs, 354–295 million years ago(Wikipedia). But none of them have evolved to be as intelligent as us or even close to us. Similarly there would have to be alot of animals, that would have been evolving in parallel with humans till the ancient times, but non are there. Ok I believe to some extent that their sizes might have gone bigger or smaller, but main stuff remains the same. yes every creature adapts it self to its environment, to survive, like that crow in you tube.
2: There is always some scientific phenomenon against every process, it is also written in Quran about big bang, it did happened(If u wanted the verse, i will provide). But who imitated the process, and such a complicated phenomenon have been working since millions of years passed, and being working flawlessly, it is surprising that there is no one to do it. Like i gave u the example of CAR, made automatically when some metal was put in a sealed room. it is not possible. What our science says about it? it also says that if u put some metal in closed room, even after trillion years, no car will be formed, or no nothing will form. Because it need some one to process it man. to make pistons(heart), to make light(eyes), to have exhaust(waste), to have a need for fuel(food). I am just saying it, otherwise there is nothing in common between us and a car.
Science is merely keeping up with, and understanding how things are made, like with the development of science, we learn how heart works, how kidneys work, but we are still learning how brain works(Because brain is not fully understood). Science is just learning what Allah has already made, and still learning. But things do not happen by them self.
And people say every thing they have in their mouth about our beloved profet, but if he was just a foolish(naoozubilla), or what ever people say, then how can Quran, the book given to him, said about big band 1400 years ago, which science is still trying figure out. Quran predicted too many things before its time, like Ferro(an evil man) his mummy discovered, Ship of Noha, it is discovered, it was said in Quran 1400 years ago. I don’t have time but i will tell u someother time that there are a lot of predictions in quran that are exactly there, happening now. No human is capable enough to predict such thing in 1400 years time span. there are a lot of scientific explanation in quran that were impossible to 1400 years ago without the knowledge of science(which now science confirms to be true), then how that book fore told such phenomenon, if it was written by a human?
Buy understanding how something happened over the course of time(be it million years or so) through science, doesn’t mean it is science who did it. I my self am a very scientific person I understand.
Every thing is going in a very planned way.”
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 6:40am
here in my post above, I was talking to Hal, and he is the only descent man here among u atheists.
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 6:55am
u can Google about Noah’s ship. But u can read this website, or just see it, if u like, u can read the details
http://users.vic.chariot.net.au/~leedas/noaha.html
it is unbiased results/research
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 3:20pm
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/100428-noahs-ark-found-in-turkey-science-religion-culture/
http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/04/27/4349742-noahs-ark-found-not-so-fast
“These guys have already gotten the answer worked out ahead of time,” he said, “and then they go out to prove it.” – Quote from the second link.
This is not the scientific method, this is backwards.
http://michaelsheiser.com/PaleoBabble/2010/04/noahs-ark-paleobabble-update/
http://www.worldofthebible.com/news.htm
I doubt you’ll read any of these, but now you can’t say this information isn’t readily available.
I say again, you do not know how to perform proper research. There are dozens more pages like the four I’ve linked here, a quick google search will find them easily. Amazingly one of these sites appears to be a religious website itself, denouncing the find as a hoax. The writer himself is a Christian.
Why do you do this? Why do you ask us to provide our research when you can’t even properly research something yourself?
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 3:25pm
I’ll add that this seems not to have been proven to certainly be a hoax as of yet, but I’m confident more information will appear in years to come that will debunk this find even more. There is already way more than enough information to suspend judgement, and lean toward disbelief of the claim.
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 7:48am
Thank you for the compliment Hammad, my default stance with new people is that of respect until I feel they’ve lost their right to it. You’ve been polite and respectful to me so far so I will extend the same courtesy.
I’m quite busy at the moment but I will set aside any plans this evening to answer as many of your questions as I am able to.
As for your older post on evolution, I gave an answer to part (A) and the first half of (B) further up the page. Maybe comment #235 or thereabouts. I will add to it over the next few days but it’s somewhat difficult until I get my laptop back.
on a separate note, I was asked by you and Greenworld about my background. Well my parents are Palestinians, I grew up in Kuwait as a Muslim. Became somewhat interested in history, theology and nature in my early 20s. That led me to question the inconsistencies I could see with religion. Confirmed atheism soon followed. That’s my story in a nutshell.
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 5:21pm
Only my dad is Muslim, but he’s fairly moderate. And I’m about 50% Palestinian (from his side, of course). Also, you said something about you having long hair? Mine is long too, in case that sparks any mutual interest between the two of us. However, I never was a Muslim. Instead, I was a Christian (thanks to the majority of my family members being raised Catholic and then becoming born-again Evangelicals) when I believed.
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 7:49pm
It’s a small world, as the saying goes.
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 7:57pm
Indeed. :)
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 11:19am
Now u spilled it out, ur true self that is. “like u said you **** moron”.
All ur arguments r wrong.
1:what you researched, what was the experimental setup, and what were the results when u dipped the fly
2: what is the name of that person, who said 2000 years ago about the earth revolving the sun? any historical reference? evidence about the existence of that man?
3: U said by referring me that “C. Not everything orbits the sun, just the planets within our solar system.”. Oh man, u ignorance knows no limits. Who on earth told u that i said every thing revolves around the sun. I was giving the explanation of the translation of verse # 33 of surah “Al-Ambiya”. Where is it said every thing is floating in ITS OWN ORBIT. I never said that every thing revolves around sun.
4: u asked how old is the earth according to quran, well I don’t know yet, but i will find it for u. Yes it is said that earth was there before the creation of ADAM, even 1000s of years back. and at that time jinnat used to live on eath, and they are created out of fire
5: I said, when in ur own language, u are saying some scientific fact, or explain some scientific phenomenon, u use precise words to explain the situation. but when u r talking casually, this to not hold true, as i gave the examples above. As quran is also written in some language(Arabic), so it also uses the same concept. U deliberately asked that question, though I made it clear earlier. thats because truth heart ur feelings
6: Andre why u go to school, college or university? why are there teacher, professors, when there are books available?. U have the book, u can read and understand it, why do we need to have schools and universities? One can read himself?
The reason is simple, one cannot understand fully from the book unless some one teach it.Take any subject, teacher is required.
Similarly an Islamic Scholar is the one who teaches Quran and Hadith. so simple yet ur thick brain….
7: It is the honor of E=mc2 that I used it to explain the concept about the comprehensive nature of Quran.
8. u said “So what you’re saying is, because science doesn’t know EVERYTHING, your book automatically does? It doesn’t work that way, bud.”
science is just a child which is still developing. It just says that it has merely understood just how things work, needless to say, science still has to move a long way to understand how we, our self work fully!! Science can tell how tings are done, but can never tell who did it.
9: U said”I could memorize any book with enough practice. A few years ago I could easily recide pi to 35 decimal places. Your book isn’t special. In fact I know a few people who have entire chapters of The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy memorized.
Dude don’t make me laugh. remembering pi to 35 decimal places, tells how stupid u r to waste ur time over nothing. secondly, this is nothing compared to memorizing Quran. pi to 35 decimals equals to just 2 or three verses of quran(merely 2 to 3 lines). And to non arab it is similar to memorize, pi to more than million decimal place. as memorizing non native language is even more difficult to memorize.
And u mentioned memorizing,”Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy”. Please be informed, i am saying, memorizing word by word, not just narrating the tale. I memorized word by word half of quran. And we listen to each others quran in Holy Ramadan Month of ramadan. I mean, one person recites while other listens, without looking the book, and even the error of an alphabet in this listening process is considered as mistake!! Its miracle.
Sorry dude, if I hurt your feelings. I am sorry if I said u a “Tarzan” or “ignorant fool” or “Brat”. These words really have nothing to do with our conversation.
Tuesday January 25th, 2011 @ 5:55am
hammad these peoples dont want to understand,,, they think life of no god is good for them!