Hammad I am here to debate, not make friends so I respectfully reject your request to divulge further personal information… And I have several excellent reasons for drawing this line.
Mainly, I don’t know you well enough to gauge what your personal agenda is in this interaction with the “irreligion regulars”.
Of course it could simply be innocent, and you just want to find mutual ground between us to help you better personify the text you read from these pseudonyms and coloured algorithm-based icons.
However we cannot ignore that within our debate, we are on polar opposite sides of the fence. That essentially pits us as combatants in an arena of worldviews. That means that your agenda is more likely to be to “know your enemy”, even if it is just at a subconscious level.
After all, I am an openly proud apostate whereas you sit in a circle reciting Qur’an with like-minded individuals.
You must surely have more disdain for me than other atheists here purely out of principal that your Qur’an tells you I have commited the ultimate sin.
Alternatively, you could have been reading and tracking this thread for some time before you announced yourself or yourselves to us with your attempts to consolidate the Qur’an with Science (The S is capitalized for the sake of irony), and have made it your personal experiment to see if you can convert any of us or at least weaken our resolve.
Some snippets from the so-called ‘mistranslated’ parts of the peaceful teachings of the Koran
Sura 9-29: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
“Sura 47-4: “When you meet the unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when you have made wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”
thank you and i completely agree with you. these supposive “cartoons” are very racist. are’nt cartoons supposed to be enjoyful for everybody becuase these “cartoons” are not. whoever made them and/or posted them is a stereotype and really hypocritical.
I posted them. Feel free to tell me how I’m a hypocrite…
HUSNAIN SARWAR Monday October 11th, 2010 @ 9:39pm
FM i dont think u have opened a qur’an and properly read it word for word. I mean no disrespect, but u lack knowledge, this also applies to Andre. If any other muslim has seen these pictures, they should not be angry. Allah, known as god in english, has given these women and men mouths to speak what is on their minds, so if they speak wrongly they recieve the sin. Ian I do not believe these depict my religion very well, feel free to keep these posted, but I and many others would appreciate if you removed these photographs.
lol’d
Just give this one some time, if he continues with regular visits, he’ll get really aggressive and threatening.
With any luck he’ll just fuck off.
Andre Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 12:57pm
Hammad, give up.
You’ve shown me just how stupid you really are with the giant people.
You lack the ability to properly research something, and still have the audacity to tell me that I need to do my research.
I tried being respectful after our initial encounter, but then you became a jackass yourself, and then made a complete fool of yourself.
I will answer no further questions of yours.
your another racist who thinks just cause we made one person made a bad decision you’re going out and attacking a religion. racist, stereotypical, hypocrite. let me guess you’re probably a Christian or a catholic, thats like me saying all catholics or christians believe that killing or violence is the right way to handle things. first think about this and then attack another religion. dont attack a person.
Andre Friday October 1st, 2010 @ 9:46pm
anonymous: Are you aware that a religion is not a race?
anonymous :your another racist who thinks just cause we made one person made a bad decision you’re going out and attacking a religion. racist, stereotypical, hypocrite. let me guess you’re probably a Christian or a catholic, thats like me saying all catholics or christians believe that killing or violence is the right way to handle things. first think about this and then attack another religion. dont attack a person.
Race =/= Religion
aaris Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 9:36am
anonymous; why not draw jew bombing children in Gaza or Bombing schools? Violence is human nuature not a religion you fucking idiot and no you didn’t do your research right. look into it again and if you don’t agree with me this time then shoot yourself.
Hello regarding the link you’ve posted I just thought i’d double check for you as much as i can do. Most Christian brothers are very good christians but they aren’t aware of their books and same for muslim brothers. Next time you come across a link like that you should go and read the quran its available on the internet to see if its mistranslated. for example I’ll just point some verses out from the link youve shared
1)Don’t bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2:6 this is mistranslated obviously if you look it up and read the Quarn this verse to the nearest meaning is
Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe
2)Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 2:10 again mistranslated
to the nearest meaning this verse says
In their hearts is a disease (of doubt and hypocrisy) and Allâh has increased their disease. A painful torment is theirs because they used to tell lies.
this entire passage and more verses that talk of doom and “cruelty” to the disbelievers is specifically speaking about the people rejecting Prophet Muahammad (pbuh) at that time. and it can also be applied to the disbelievers of today but in a more metaphorical manner.
I don’t mean to pick on the christians alone its everyone from the Budhist to to hindus and sikhs and muslims and every religion we just say we are the followers of this religion but hav no idea of what our book says and go about insulting and debating other religions
O Muslims did you know its haram to insult other peoples religion, to win him over explain to him the beauty of islam if you can’t do it do some research ask scholars and come back don’t insult other people
and my Christian brothers same applies to you as Jesus (may peace be upon him) says in Mattew 5:17 “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil” see if he wouldn’t destry the the prophets i’e’ insult why should you when he says fulfill he means to explain to you why you should do this and not that and so on
so in the same manner if you think christianity is better bring forth arguments with references and muslims should bring their stuff but make sure everything is double trippl chcked
There’s really no point in getting into the specifics of every line in the Qur’an.
The short answer is that it was written by men who were limited by their ignorance.
Then many more men put in an enormous amount of effort to justify it all.
I’m sick and tired of this ‘mistranslated’ nonsense, its clear what the intention of this CULT is, to take over the world ‘slowly’. Also, don;t bring up the crusades, that was centuries ago, it’s 2010, get with the times and rewrite 1/2 of that crap written in that Koran nonsense.
Sawing off peoples heads, dragging burned bodies through streets…peaceful my azz.
Last thing I will say, when did the Kuran, or whatever that toilet paper is called, come out? Yes, after the first testament. So buzz off, you belong to a CULT A TANGENT away from a truly peaceful religion. Women covering their faces, right…
Truly peaceful?
Stoning people for extramarrital sex?
Executing people for performing manual labour on a Sunday?
Stoning people (you religious psychos and your stones, I swear) for growing two different crops in one field?
This list goes on, bud.
you don’t understand you stupid face andrew……. islam is BEATIFUL!! blame the people stoning not the personal relationship with the prophet and allah
okay Monday October 11th, 2010 @ 11:20pm
Actually Andre everything u said about the peace of Islam is wrong except for stoning of people for commiting zina (extramarrital sex). Islam highly dislikes zina amd there is a big punishment for whoever commits it in the herafter unless they are stoned to death to atone for their sins. The reason why u r attacking islam is because u r ignorant and u may here a lot of people saying tht to u but i think u really should read the Quran and find out wat Islam is really about. People lik u are exactly why there are wars. Wat happened wen Pator Terry Jones tried to announce the Burning of Quran…. yea it did not go the way he was hoping it will. Even if All the Quran books were destroyed we would be able to rewrite it EXACTLY the same as it was because it is in our hearts and we memorized each and every single word and if All the Bible books were destroyed u guys would never be able to rewrite it exactly the same because of how much times it was changed and how confusing it is. You can talk about all the stuff u want about Islam after u actually read it and go to a scholar and have a debate about those false ideas.
Andre Monday October 11th, 2010 @ 11:29pm
@okay:
You idiot, this post was in reference to christianity.
That being said, islam is also as stupid as fuck with their idiotic laws and consequences for disobeying those laws.
@Abdul:
Well… fuck it, I’ll just stick with what you people understand, you’re an idiot.
playmaker Sunday September 12th, 2010 @ 4:39am
do you know what these what these verses are reffering 2 they are talking about the last day when everybody that is not a believer would be punished is the fire of hell for all eternity
i would also really good job in twisting the verses and trying 2 make islam seem like a religion of violencebut it really isnt working.You are just plain brainless and ignorant 2 see that the punishments which you have published are the punishement that is reserved 2 the non believers on the last day of the world i.e judgement day and trying 2 make it 2 seem like it is what ALLAH has told us (believers)2 do in this world whereas it is only waiting for you in the afterlife
Yeah we know what it’s about. The message is still horrific since it has a negative impact on this world, not on your speculated fiery abode for whomever you define to be unworthy of heaven.
how many times does a 12 year old have to repeat the word hypocrite in one hour. in the early 1900’s right after jesus died the christian priests changed the books. at least the muslims followed their messiah and stuck with our god and have the same book after 1430 years. your book contradicts itself. get your facts straight and do your homework before attacking one religion.
Dude, we’re atheists and agnostics.
Get your facts straight.
Do your homework.
And christ, take a lesson in English literature, Jesus died 2000 years ago, not in the early 1900s.
Holy fuck your stupid.
A few points about the legend of Noah and his ark…
It is a tale that had been regurgitated by several cultures even before Judaism.
The oldest that we know of was the Sumerian deluge story from around 4000 years ago (I think. Unable to cross reference right now).
By the time it was adapted for Islam, it had gotten convoluted enough to reach nonsensical heights, since the main 2 sources of the story contradict each other, so there is a divided opinion on how many animals were saved, how many sons Noah actually had, how long the flood lasted and whether only Noah’s family were saved or if there were other “disciples” as well.
Muslims believe that a great, worldwide flood was sent by god to punish ALL OF MANKIND unless they accept Islam (even though there was no such religion in Noah’s unnaturally long lifetime).
Noah was apparently tasked with preaching the word of god so he was given a heads-up about this impending flood, allowing him to save 3 out of 4 sons (disputed) and a load of animals (because animals are more important than the remainder of humanity, who are all exempt from Allah’s mercy).
Now the best part: All of today’s human population is supposedly descended from the 3 surviving sons.
That would surely mean that their descendants would have been really really inbred?
I think I read somewhere that some believe there were 83 survivors but I can’t verify just now.
The link Hammad posted on the previous page about the ark’s supposed finding and excavation is unfounded.
Look up “Durupinar Site” on Wikipedia and you’ll read a completely different account of what really happened.
Another proof debunked. This should suggest to you that a complete overhaul is needed in your methodology.
You can’t keep bringing failed morsels of evidence to the table until you find one that we cannot immediately rebuff.
I won’t even dignify the fly dipping hypothesis that you insist we follow up.
Hal :A few points about the legend of Noah and his ark…
It is a tale that had been regurgitated by several cultures even before Judaism.
The oldest that we know of was the Sumerian deluge story from around 4000 years ago (I think. Unable to cross reference right now).
Hello all…
I am a 1st year college student…studying medicine…I believe in peace…and I am a muslim.
It’s your media who made Islam look like this,you will now start telling me : read…do research…know your violence religion…tell us about your Janna (Paradise) and stuff like that… this would be coming out of those who are completely racists and mind-closed.
Let me tell you who we are…our life…We live in houses…eat food…go to schools and colleges…and we have cars… we are humans… and the human is born to be peaceful…but its the devil who makes people (muslims or non-muslims) bad.
Think clearly, dont you think we want to live in peace? if a non-muslim killed 1000 people…should muslims make unfair judgments on non-muslims to be cruel,violent or savages? the answer is NO !
If you want to discuss violence you have to be a spectator…Dont you think America and American people would stand still if Muslims attacked it them …killed them..destroyed their government? Of course not ! They must defend themselves ! But Islam is NOT presented by Qaeda and its followers… How you are so SURE that Osama bin laden is NOT an American Agent? A muslim ? where is he now ? cant America find him ? or they are just playing hide and seek on TV ? You will tell me now…I am one of those who believe in conspiracy theories ! I might be or might not…but dont we live in a world which history is full of conspiracies?
Why do most people see non-muslims as Heros who make peace, and free other people of their cruel governments? And Muslims,Arabs,Other public well known enemies as Invaders?
The answer is simple? where is Hollywood? CNN ? BBC ? NY Times and many other media ?
I believe in Nations right to defend themselves without any exceptions…
Dont America have a percentage of people who stand against the government? Hate governors?
Hate their Polices? Well…Invaded Muslim and Arab countries had such people living their too. But again its media which make copper glow !
In Islam , In Quraan … those who dont believe in Jesus and Moses (Eesa and Mosa) are no muslims… and all other previous pophets.
We respect other religions, as our Quraan says that there is no obligation in embracing religions… and Quraan also says that Christians and Jewish shall never be convinced or satisfied in Islam…
Peace be upon you…this is what we greet any person we meet… believe it or not
Thanks for understanding and reading my opinion. :)
Peaceful? Are you sure?
How many Muslims were murdered by other muslims in Lahore, Lakki Marwat and Quetta in Pakistan over the past week?
Or were their murderers Jewish CIA Agents posing as Pakistani and Afghani terrorists?
Or is it all made up by the media to further widen the gap between east and west?
Which conspiracy theory will you fall back on here?
Sura 9-29: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
“Sura 47-4: “When you meet the unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when you have made wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”
just a comment on the link above…U cant believe in Islam…and you shall never understand it…if you are an arabian person you will be shocked and your boddy will shake…tears would come out of your eyes when you (Tatadabbar) completely understand Quraan..
This is just not enough for you? Greenworld ? are you thinking that I am speaking non-sense?
explore your site well Greenworld….look at the left margin…and choose in Bible…
U cant believe in Islam…and you shall never understand it…if you are an arabian person you will be shocked and your boddy will shake…tears would come out of your eyes when you (Tatadabbar) completely understand Quraan..
I already understand the Koran quite well: It’s a book filled with disgusting stories containing misogyny, violence, injustice, and others. I don’t have to read it to “understand” its illogical principles when it clearly shows that your prophet was a pedophile. What kind of moral person would do that? Especially even going as far as marrying a mere 6-year-old child? That is sick and disgusting. Ever wonder why we bash on
your prophet and your religion?
This is just not enough for you? Greenworld ? are you thinking that I am speaking non-sense?
explore your site well Greenworld….look at the left margin…and choose in Bible…
No, it’s enough for me, thank you very much. And as far as Christianity is concerned, I don’t give a fuck about that religion either.
And in my opinion this site is for those who dont believe in God in the first place!
“you will be shocked and your boddy will shake…tears would come out of your eyes when you (Tatadabbar) completely understand Quraan”
And you think this is a healthy state of mind to be in?
It conjures up images of Pentecostal lunatics babbling in tongues and spasming on the ground while their faith healer punches them in the stomach.
Or a herd of orthodox Jews headbanging in front of the wailing wall.
Islam thinks in another way Tuesday September 7th, 2010 @ 12:22pm
don’t blame Islam..they think that killing people and let women suffer is a good stuff.
we think that loving people and respecting women is a good stuff.Islam thinks that killing the Cartoonists because of their opinions is the way of God.we think that giving people freedom to express what they believe and think is the way of god.mohammed married 65 women one of them was 9 years old ( Aesha )and promised muslims to have 40 beautiful virgins in paradise to have endless sex with them.but jesus didn’t marry and promised us with holy spiritual live without marring.mohammed killed old woman by tying her legs with a horse from the left and another horse from the right and let the horses run and turned the woman into two pieces because she swear at him and said ugly words and the muslims say islam is the religion of peace..in the other hand jesus forgived the woman who did bad and say to her dont do it again.
so dont blam islam any sun is more because they think that sun is black they see just in black.we see the sun yellow and we dont blam them because of their overturned sight.
Islam thinks in another way Tuesday September 7th, 2010 @ 12:25pm
Islam thinks in another way :don’t blame Islam..they think that killing people and let women suffer is a good stuff.
we think that loving people and respecting women is a good stuff.Islam thinks that killing the Cartoonists because of their opinions is the way of God.we think that giving people freedom to express what they believe and think is the way of god.mohammed married 65 women one of them was 9 years old ( Aesha )and promised muslims to have 40 beautiful virgins in paradise to have endless sex with them.but jesus didn’t marry and promised us with holy spiritual live without marring.mohammed killed old woman by tying her legs with a horse from the left and another horse from the right and let the horses run and turned the woman into two pieces because she swear at him and said ugly words and the muslims say islam is the religion of peace..in the other hand jesus forgived the woman who did bad and say to her dont do it again.
so dont blam islam any more because they think that sun is black they see just in black.we see the sun yellow and we dont blam them because of their overturned sight.
mr.bin king Wednesday September 8th, 2010 @ 9:32am
Shem on u! i read all and i don’t know as how those stupid brothers think.
please think as a human, we mankind differ from animals by thinking,
if u don’t believe just leave it. but u r z one who miss z true religion.
anyway alhamdulila i accept islam 6 month ago.
NB: before writing any thing please think critically!
i have a question. who is z terrorist? r u sure as those pls,those leaders who offense this practice, r not a terrorist!!
is it fair invading one sovereign country. there will be one day ………10q.
You don’t get to tell other people to think critically. You believe in a supernatural falsehood because you don’t understand the concept of suspending judgement. Until you get some formal training in critical thinking, I would advise you to avoid this website.
Andre, how on earth were you able to make sense of what binking wrote?
On a side note, I watched the four horsemen on your recommendation. Very impressed.
I need to read some of Dennett’s work as his name often comes up in conversations with other atheists.
I’ve been awake for… uhh… 20 hours. Somehow it helps me read the crap some of these people type.
I need to rewatch that one myself, I chose a bad time when I first watched it and dozed off once or twice near the end. (Once again staying up for way too long)
Upon further investigation, I’m not sure if I understand what he said at all besides “humans are different from animals” (not even in those words) and “think critically”. As for everything from “i have a question” and on, I am really not quite sure what he’s saying, though I do have a few ideas as to what it might be.
I think I deciphered a translation of this guy’s “joke”, except the punchline which makes absolutely no sense.
“Shame on you (atheists)! I read all (the comments on this page) and noticed that what you say conflicts with the core of my indoctrination. The only rational explanation is that I am right and you are all “stupid”
Conform to our line of thought, after all, we are obviously not mammals since they can’t “think”.
If you are not an obedient Muslim then you’re not allowed an opinion. You might not follow the one true religion but that’s your loss.
Thank god I converted to Islam. Oh yeah that was only 6 months ago so I have absolutely no idea what I’m talking about.
NB: “Think critically” before you reply to me!
Here comes some gibberish. Who is the terrorist? (REST UNINTELLIGIBLE)”
Andre Wednesday September 8th, 2010 @ 4:12pm
“i have a question. who is z terrorist? r u sure as those pls,those leaders who offense this practice, r not a terrorist!!
is it fair invading one sovereign country. there will be one day ………10q.”
So word for word we have….
“I have a question. Who is the terrorist? Are you sure as those please, those leaders who offense this practice, are not a terrorist!! Is it fair invading one sovereign country. There will be one day …(thank-you?).”
As for “who is the terrorist” well, that’s a tricky one for either side to answer. For the Americans, the terrorist is in fact the islamic world at this point. American civilians were attacked. This is something we all know happened. For the Iraqis, the Afghanis, the Middle-East in general really, it’s the American military. The US bombed and destroyed so much of that area with what I would argue is not sufficient evidence/reason to attack. At most I could agree they had reason to counterattack Afghanistan, but even then the reasoning is a bit shaky. For many others on both sides, the terrorist is the media, shouting frightful stories at their viewers through the TV.
As for “Are you sure as those please, those leaders who offense this practice, are not a terrorist!!” well, I’m not sure what you’ve said here, as even after trying to move some words around or add some that may have been missing/remove extra ones, I can’t figure out what you’ve said. Maybe I’ve already answered it in my previous paragraph, who knows.
“Is it fair invading one sovereign country.” I assume you meant this as a question. Pro-tip: use a question mark on every question. An answer: There are many reasons given for invading another country. Some are seemingly legitimate, some are complete and utter bullshit. If I may base my response off of what is called “Just War Theory” then my answer would be as follows: The invasion of Afghanistan was legitimate, as it was a counterattack by the United States (based on public knowledge of the situation). The invasion of Iraq, however, was completely illegitimate, as Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks on the US, and no other reason was given for the invasion other than a “search for weapons of mass destruction.” While this search may sound legitimate to some, it is not legitimate by “Just War Theory” standards, especially considering there was no initial reason to even assume Iraq might have these weapons.
“There will be one day …(thank-you?).” There will be on day what? What will happen one day? Usually this kind of thing is followed by or follows a statement about something that will happen. I don’t get it.
Oh, and your welcome. Does this answer your questions?
muslim girl Thursday September 9th, 2010 @ 4:20am
no andre ,humans are not animals they are better ,the only common thing between them that they are souls creatures
but there is no animal eat more than his need or spoil the environmental balance or invent new machines or have a dreams for control over the world or to be a President
animals have no mind this is big difference between animals and us
there will be one day yes the Day of Judgement it is something can not be wrong can not be fake or will canceled it is so real and it will come and you will regret about every moment of your life
first you need something you need to see the light the truth i can
not help you you can help yourself if you realized the idea
in the name of allah
And if ye are in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto Our slave (Muhammad), then produce a sura or the like thereof, and call your witnesses beside Allah if ye are truthful. (23)
Those who break the covenant of Allah after ratifying it and sever that which Allah ordered to be joined, and (who) make mischief in the earth: Those are they who are the losers (27)
How disbelieve ye in Allah when ye were dead and He gave life to you! Then he will give you death, then life again, and then unto Him ye will return. (28)
But they who disbelieve, and deny our revelations, such are rightful owners of the Fire. They will abide therein. (39)
Confound not truth with falsehood, nor knowingly conceal the truth. (42)
Are they then unaware that Allah knoweth that which they keep hidden and that which they proclaim? (77)
from surat al baqarah
And when thou seest those who meddle with Our revelations, withdraw from them until they meddle with another topic. And if the devil cause thee to forget, sit not, after the remembrance, with the congregation of wrong doers. (68)
Revile not those unto whom they pray beside Allah lest they wrongfully revile Allah through ignorance. Thus unto every nation have We made their deed seem fair. Then unto their Lord is their return, and He will tell them what they used to do. (108)
from surat Al-An’am
Know they not that whoso opposeth Allah and His messenger, his portion verily is hell, to abide therein? That is the extreme abasement. (63)
The hypocrites fear lest a surah should be revealed concerning them, proclaiming what is in their hearts. Say: Scoff (your fill)! Lo! Allah is disclosing what ye fear. (64)
(Triumphant) are those who turn repentant (to Allah), those who serve (Him), those who praise (Him), those who fast, these who bow down, those who fall prostrate (in worship), those who enjoin the right and who forbid the wrong and those who keep the limits (ordained) of Allah And give glad tidings to believers! (112)
from surat At-Tauba
Well know We that thy bosom is at times oppressed by what they say, (97)
from surat Al-Hijr
if anyone of been muslim before?no, no one you did not try to pray sala it is beatiful feeling to be with god it is ease and comfort it is more diffrent than any thing else it is the thing that will change you to better it is something you will thank me about
you will make fun of my words and say that you do not need you do not want and i am wrong
i will not gain any thing from my words no body will buy for me
it is my conscience that make me comment
i am not force or ask you of any thing i am suggesting a way to answer your questions if you believe yourself there will be no problem with my words because in your opinion i am telling you bullshit and of course you have self confidence that make you try with no fear take it as challenge god forgive and god will give you al serat al mostaqeem the right way
and andre ideas about our exist is Come down from our level our
life have a meaning is for something
also all of us need god
Andre :You misunderstand. I’m laughing at you, not with you.
I am still laughing hard at muslim girl’s fail. Holy shit!
muslim girl Thursday September 9th, 2010 @ 7:33am
Happy Feast :)Happy feast for all, wishing that Allah has forgiven all of our misdeeds, I really hope so..ya Rab
I Congratulate all Muslims, I’m going to visit my grandfather in the countryside so i will stay there for a week
best wishes
It Will take 5 minutes of your time to know the truth about Islam, and its respect to all Christians and Jews in particular, do not be a fanatic and enter if you are tolerant and want to install the true idea for you, know the difference between true Islam and those who claim Islam to terrorism.
A little note: Terrorism kills more Muslims than the other Is it logical to be Muslims.
http://www.rasoulallah.net
see this simple flash :
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/201/c/0/Because_he_is_a_muslim____by_Nayzak.swf
I think we’ve been over this. Perhaps not these links in particular, but this has been done. Please stop repeating what others have tried and failed to do so many times already.
Hal, if you could, Im just curious….could you please give me some examples of the Qurans flaws, or violent teachings. I have never read the Quran, and i have developed a new curiousity regarding happenings in the middle east. I believe that knowing a little about these things is a good start. and you seem like an intellectually advanced being who can help me
“An intellectually advanced being”?
You either you pay me undue credit or this is a ruse to have me drop my guard, but since I don’t know you, I’ll protect my interests and not be suckered in by unwarranted flattery.
Besides, you don’t need me to point out lines of questionable morality in the quran. Turn to any page of your choosing and you will most likely find several examples of psychological intimidation or unverifiable supernatural claims.
If you truly don’t know anything about the quran then you should avoid getting into its specifics when debating Muslims.
They believe that the quran was literally written by god and dictated, word for word, by the angel Gabriel to an illiterate Mohammed over the course of 23 years.
Allah’s message is apparently far too deep and layered to translate perfectly into our simple human tongue, so not only would you need to understand the quran, but you also need various accompanying translations that claim to put it all into context.
So what we’re left with on the one hand is the quran (god’s word), and on the other is the tafsir (man’s translation and expansion on the quran).
Muslims will argue that to fully understand the big picture, then one must learn all of it.
What they refuse to admit, however, is that the tafsir was written after the quran in order to justify it retroactively.
For example, if you look on the previous comments page for this article, you’ll find someone called Hammad who kept insisting that the quran describes the big bang.
Turns out the one and only “relevant” line in the whole book simply says “we parted heaven from earth”.
I find it strange that such an important event would only get this single line from the almighty creator, leaving mankind to attempt to fill in its gaps, when the rest of the quran is so full of repetition of threats regarding an eternal damnation for all unbelievers.
just use your minds for one minutes, just think in a neutral way (I know it’s so hard for you to do so, especially with Islam, that’s because you hearts and your minds are filled with hatred and hostility )even though we are patient with you because we know that you are misguided by your media and your pops and your shallow and narrow knowledge about Islam.
But for sure, at the day of judgment you will know who was right and who was wrong. So think now to save you self from immortality in hell fire. you think this is to hard, no at all it’s so logic as we do exactly in this life (exams) success or fail, with life time period for exam.So, Please please please be truthful with yourself in looking for the TRUTH.
by the way I wont reply. I just saw this page, and wanted to advice every one(as my God ordered me as a Muslim to give advice to every one, hopping that every one know the way of truth and relief .
Well thanks for your advice. I didn’t realise quite how misguided we are, or how misled we are by our western propaganda machine.
we’ll continue this conversation in hell on the day of judgement.
Greenworld Wednesday September 15th, 2010 @ 6:42pm
Dictionary.com’s definition of peace:
peace
/pis/ Show Spelled [pees] Show IPA noun, interjection, verb, peaced, peac·ing.
–noun
1.
the normal, nonwarring condition of a nation, group of nations, or the world.
2.
( often initial capital letter ) an agreement or treaty between warring or antagonistic nations, groups, etc., to end hostilities and abstain from further fighting or antagonism: the Peace of Ryswick.
3.
a state of mutual harmony between people or groups, esp. in personal relations: Try to live in peace with your neighbors.
4.
the normal freedom from civil commotion and violence of a community; public order and security: He was arrested for being drunk and disturbing the peace.
5.
cessation of or freedom from any strife or dissension.
6.
freedom of the mind from annoyance, distraction, anxiety, an obsession, etc.; tranquillity; serenity.
7.
a state of tranquillity or serenity: May he rest in peace.
8.
a state or condition conducive to, proceeding from, or characterized by tranquillity: the peace of a mountain resort.
9.
silence; stillness: The cawing of a crow broke the afternoon’s peace.
The Qur’an’s definition of peace:
# Don’t bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2:6
# Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 2:10
# A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24
# Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 2:39, 90
# “Guard yourselves against a day when no soul will in aught avail another, nor will intercession be accepted from it, nor will compensation be received from it, nor will they be helped.”
There will come a day when Allah will refuse all prayers and help no one. 2:48
# Allah brags about drowning the Egyptian army. 2:50
# “Whosoever hath done evil and his sin surroundeth him; such are rightful owners of the Fire.” 2:81
# If you believe in only part of the Scripture, you will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next. 2:85
# Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They’d like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell. 2:96
# For disbelievers is a painful doom. 2:104
# For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 2:114
# “And thou wilt not be asked about the owners of hell-fire.” (They are the non-muslims.) 2:119
# Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 2:126
# The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 2:162
# Allah is severe punishment! 2:165-6
# They will not emerge from the Fire. 2:167
# Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 2:174
# How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 2:175
# “Fight in the way of Allah.” 2:190, 2:244
# Believers must retaliate. Those who transgress will have a painful doom. 2:178
# Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don’t kill them.) 2:191-2
# “Guard us from the doom of Fire.” 2:201
# Those who fail in their duty to Allah are proud and sinful. They will all go to hell. 2:206
# War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216
# Those who die in their disbelief will burn forever in the Fire. 2:217
# Those who marry unbelievers will burn in the Fire. 2:221
# Disbelievers worship false gods. The will burn forever in the Fire. 2:257
# “Those who swallow usury … are rightful owners of the Fire.” 2:275
# Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 3:4
# Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 3:10
# Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 3:12
# “Guard us from the punishment of Fire.” 3:16
# Non-muslims will be punished by Allah for their nonbelief. 3:19
# Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 3:21
# “They [Christians and Jews] say: The Fire will not touch us save for a certain number of days. That which they used to invent hath deceived them regarding their religion.” (The Fire will burn them forever.) 3:24
# Theirs will be a painful doom. 3:77
# All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 3:85
# Apostates will be cursed by Allah, angels, and men. They will have a painful doom. 3:86-88
# Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 3:91
# “Ye were upon the brink of an abyss of fire, and He did save you from it.” 3:103
# Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 3:105-6
# Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 3:116
# The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 3:131
# We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 3:151
# If you die fighting for Allah, you’ll be rewarded in heaven. 3:157
# “Is one who followeth the pleasure of Allah as one who hath earned condemnation from Allah, whose habitation is the Fire?”
Unbelievers will burn forever in the Fire. 3:162
# “Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead.”
(Quoted by Osama bin Laden in his ‘letter to America’ regarding the 11 September 2001 attacks.) 3:169-171
# Theirs will be an awful doom. 3:176
# Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 3:177
# Disbelievers will have a shameful doom. 3:178
# Whoso is removed from the Fire and is made to enter paradise, he indeed is triumphant.” (The rest will burn forever in the Fire.) 3:185
# Those who brag about doing good will go to hell. 3:188
# “Preserve us from the doom of Fire.” 3:191
# “Our Lord! Whom Thou causest to enter the Fire: him indeed Thou hast confounded. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.” 3:192
# Those who die fighting for Allah will go to heaven. 3:195
# Disbelievers will go to Hell. 3:196
# Don’t steal from orphans (or Allah will burn you forever in hell). 4:10
# Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will be burnt with fire and suffer a painful doom. 4:14
# For the disbelievers and those who make a last-minute conversion, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:18
# “We shall cast him into Fire, and that is ever easy for Allah.” 4:30
# For disbelievers, We prepare a shameful doom. 4:37
# “Sanction is given unto those who fight because they have been wronged.”
Quoted by Osama bin Laden in his ‘letter to America’ as a justification for the 11 September 2001 attacks. 4:39
# Hell is sufficient for their burning. 4:55
# Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 4:56
# Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 4:74
# Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 4:76
# Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89
# If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91
# Believers who kill believers will face the awful doom of hell. 4:93
# “Their habitation will be hell, an evil journey’s end.” 4:97
# Those who oppose the messenger and become unbelievers will go to hell. 4:115
# Allah will lead them astray and they will go to hell. 4:119-121
# Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe and disbelieve again will never be forgiven by Allah. 4:137
# For the hypocrites there will be a painful doom. 4:138
# Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers into hell. 4:140
# The hypocrites will be in the lowest part of hell and no one will help them there. 4:145
# You must believe everything Allah and his messengers tell you. Those who don’t are disbelievers and will face a painful doom. 4:150-151
# For the wrongdoing Jews, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:160-1
# God will guide disbelievers down a road that leads to everlasting hell. 4:168-169
# If you don’t do good works, Allah will punish you with a painful doom. 4:173
# Those who deny Islam will be losers in the Hereafter. 5:5
# Disbelievers are the rightful owners of Hell. 5:10
# “The owners of the fire. That is the reward of evil-doers.” 5:29
# Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33
# Disbelievers will have a painful doom. 5:36
# Disbelievers will want to come out of the Fire, but will not. Their will be a lasting doom. 5:37
# Cut off the hands of thieves. It is an exemplary punishment from Allah. 5:38
# Allah makes some people sin. He will not cleanse their hearts. They will have ignominy in this world, and in the Hereafter an awful doom. 5:41
# Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, and tooth for tooth. 5:45
# Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72
# Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 5:73
# Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah. 5:80
# Disbelievers will be owners of hell-fire. 5:86
# Allah will test believers to see if they are afraid. Those who fail a second test will suffer a a painful doom. 5:94
# After agreeing to send down a table of food from heaven, Jesus warns his disciples that will catch holy hell if they ever stop believing. 5:115
# Those who deny the truth of Islam will be punished by Allah. 6:5
# “See the nature of the consequence for the rejecters!” 6:11
# Many generations have been destroyed by Allah. 6:6
# Disbelievers will say when they see the Fire that they would have believed if they had known the truth. But they are all liars. 6:27-28
# “Evil-doers flout the revelations of Allah.” 6:33
# Allah will torment those how deny his revelations. 6:49
# Those who disbelieve will be forced to drink boiling water, and will face a painful doom. 6:70
# When nonbelievers die, the angels will deliver to them doom and degradation. 6:93
# Allah allows some to disbelieve in the afterlife, and to take pleasure in their disbelief, so that he can torment them forever after they die. 6:113
# Allah chooses to lead some astray, and he lays ignominy on those who disbelieve. 6:125
# Allah will send everyone the Fire, except those he chooses to deliver. 6:128
# Let the idolaters kill their children. It is Allah’s will. 6:137
# The worst thing anyone can do is deny the revelations of Allah. Those who do so will be awared an evil doom. 6:157
# How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them. 7:4-5
# Allah banishes Iblis and promises to fill hell with those who are mislead by him. 7:18
# Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire. 7:36
# Entire nations have entered the Fire. Some get a double torment. 7:38
# “Taste the doom for what ye used to earn.” 7:39
# Disbelievers will be excluded from heaven. Theirs will be a bed of hell. 7:40-41
# Those in the fire will be taunted by those in the Garden. “So how’s it going down there? Are you enjoying the warmth of the Fire?” 7:44
# Those in the Garden will plead with Allah not to be cast into the Fire. 7:47
# Those in the Fire will cry out to those in heaven, saying: “Pour water on us.” But Allah has forbidden that to disbelievers. 7:50
# Allah drowned everyone on earth (except Noah and his family) because they disbelieved. 7:64
# Those who believe incorrectly will face the terror and wrath of Allah. 7:71
# “We cut the root of those who denied Our revelations and were not believers.” 7:72
# Allah killed the disbelievers with an earthquake. 7:78
# Allah killed everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah except Lot and his daughters.
7:83-84
# “So the earthquake seized them.”
Allah killed the disbelievers with an earthquake. 7:90-91
# “How can I sorrow for a people that rejected (truth)?”
Shu’eyb tells the Allah’s victims that they deserved to die for rejecting Islam. 7:93
# “Then We seized them unawares, when they perceived not.”
Unbelievers are never safe from Allah’s wrath. 7:95-99
# “We straitened Pharaoh’s folk with famine.”
Allah sent a famine on all of the Egyptians to punish Pharaoh. 7:130
# “So We sent against them the flood and the locusts and the vermin and the frogs and the blood – a succession of clear signs.” 7:133
# “We drowned them in the sea: because they denied Our revelations.” 7:136
# Those who worship the calf will suffer terror and humiliation from Allah. 7:152
# “But those of them who … changed the word … We sent down upon them wrath from heaven.” 7:162
# “Why preach ye to a folk whom Allah is about to destroy or punish with an awful doom?” 7:164
# “When they forgot that whereof they had been reminded, We … visited [them] with dreadful punishment.” 7:165
# Allah will punish the disbelieving Jews until the Day of Resurrection. 7:167
# Allah has already sent many people and jinn to hell. They were worse than cows: they couldn’t see or hear and were neglectful. 7:179
# “Allah … cut the root of the disbelievers.”
Allah destroyed the unbelievers. 8:7
# Allah will throw fear into the hearts of the disbelievers, and smite their necks and fingers. 8:12
# Disbelievers will be tormented in the Fire. 8:14
# When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell. 8:15-16
# Those that the Muslims killed were not really killed by them. It was Allah who did the killing. 8:17
# Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve. 8:35
# Those who disbelieve will be gathered into hell. 8:36
# “The wicked will He place piece upon piece, and heap them all together, and consign them unto hell.” 8:37
# The angels smite the face and backs of disbelievers, saying: “Taste the punishment of burning!” 8:50
# Don’t let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the enemy of Allah. 8:59-60
# Had it not been for an ordinance of Allah which had gone before, an awful doom had come upon you.” 8:68
# He [Allah] gave thee [Muhammad] power over them.”
Allah gave Muhammad slaves as war booty. 8:70-1
# Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve. 9:3
# Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 9:5
# Don’t let idolaters tend the sanctuaries. Their works are in vain and they will be burned in the Fire. 9:17
# “Count ye the slaking of a pilgrim’s thirst … as (equal to the worth of) him who believeth in Allah and the Last Day, and striveth in the way of Allah?”
Helping the poor is not as important as believing in Islam and fighting in holy wars. 9:19
# Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis. 9:34
# Those who are tormented in the Fire will have their foreheads and backs branded. 9:35
# If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom. 9:39
# Disbelievers go to hell. 9:49
# “Allah will afflict you with a doom from Him or at our hands.” 9:52
# Those who vex the Prophet, for them there is a painful doom. 9:60
# Those who oppose Allah and His messenger will burn in the fire of hell. 9:63
# Allah promises hypocrites and disbelievers the fire of hell. Allah curses them. They will have a lasting torment. 9:68
# Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway. 9:73
# Allah will afflict disbelievers with a painful doom in this world and the Hereafter. 9:74
# “Theirs will be a painful doom.” 9:79
# Those who refuse to give their wealth and lives to Allah will face the fire of hell. 9:81-83
# For disbelievers there will be a painful doom. 9:90
# Non-muslim who pretend to believe (so they won’t be killed by Muslims) are unclean and will go to hell. 9:95
# The unbelieving Arabs will be punished by Allah with an evil fortune. 9:97-98
# “We shall chastise them twice; then they will be relegated to a painful doom.” 9:101
# Those that ignore Allah will be thown into the fire of hell. 9:109
# Believers must fight for Allah. They must kill and be killed , and are bound to do so by the Torah, Gospel, and Quran. But Allah will reward them for it. 9:111
# Don’t pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire. 9:113
# Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 9:123
# Disbelievers will have a boiling drink and a painful doom. 10:4
# If you enjoy life and ignore Muhammad’s bullshit, Allah will torture you forever in the Fire after you die. 10:7-8
# Allah has destroyed entire generations. 10:13
# “Ignominy overtaketh them – They have no protector from Allah – as if their faces had been covered with a cloak of darkest night. Such are rightful owners of the Fire.” 10:27
# On the last day Allah will kill all the disbelievers (and then he will torture them forever in hell). 10:45
# “His doom cometh unto you as a raid by night.” 10:50
# The damned will feel remorse for what they have done, but it will not save them from the doom that Allah has prepared. 10:54
# Those who disbelieved will face a dreadful doom. 10:70
# Allah drowned those who disbelieved his revelations. 10:73
# Moses asked Allah to harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they would not believe until they saw the painful doom. 10:88
# If you deny the revelations of Allah, you will be among the losers and will “see the painful doom.” 10:95-97
# “The doom cannot be averted from them, and that which they derided will surround them.” 11:8
# Allah sent a lasting doom on those who mocked Noah. 11:39
# Allah will send a painful doom on several nations. 11:48
# “Lo! there cometh unto them a doom which cannot be repelled.” 11:76
# Allah killed everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah by dropping burning stones on them. 11:82-83
# Lo! Is fear for you the doom of a besetting Day.” 11:84
# “Ye will soon know on whom there cometh a doom that will abase him.” 11:93
# “He … will lead them to the Fire for watering-place.” 11:98
# “The doom of the Hereafter” 11:103
# Those in the Fire will suffer as long as the heavens and earth endure. 11:106-7
# “Incline not toward those who do wrong lest the Fire touch you.” 11:113
# Allah will fill hell with humans and jinn. 11:119
# Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire 13:5
# Those who do not answer Allah’s call will go to hell. 13:18
# Allah leads disbelievers astry while he torments them in this life. Then afterh they die, he makes them uffer even more pain in the doom of the Hereafter. 13:33-34
# The reward for disbelievers is the Fire. 13:35
# “When Allah doometh there is none that can postpone His doom.” 13:41
# Woe unto the disbelievers. Theirs will be an awful doom. 14:2
# Those who are in hell will be forced to drink festering water which they can hardly swallow. They will want to die, but they will not be able to. Theirs is a harsh doom. 14:16-17
# There is no escape from Allah’s doom. 14:21
# “Lo! for wrong-doers is a painful doom.” 14:22
# Allah leads wrong-doers astray and then sends them to hell. 14:27-29
# “They set up rivals to Allah that they may mislead (men) from His way. Say: Enjoy life (while ye may) for lo! your journey’s end will be the Fire.” 14:30
# “Warn mankind of a day when the doom will come upon them.” 14:44
# Those in hell will be chained together. Their clothing will be made of pitch and fire will cover their faces. 14:49-50
# Iblis will lead humans astray. Only perfect Muslims will be safe from him. The rest will go to hell. 15:39-43
# Allah’s doom is a dolorous doom. 15:50
# Allah made a roof fall in to kill unbelievers. “And the doom came on them whence they knew not.” 16:26
# Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever. 16:27-29
# Allah “will cause the earth to swallow” those who plan ill-deeds. the doom will come on them when they least expect it. 16:45
# Theirs will be the Fire, and they will be abandoned.” 16:62
# “Theirs will be a painful doom.” 16:63
# “The Hour of Doom is but a twinkling of the eye.” 16:77
# “When those who did wrong behold the doom, it will not be made light for them.” 16:85
# Allah will add doom to doom for those who disbelieve. 16:88
# Those who oppose Islam will face an awful doom. 16:94
# Disbelievers will have a painful doom. 16:104
# Those who loose their faith in Islam will face an awful doom. Allah’s wrath is upon them. 16:106
# Those who invent lies against Allah will have a painful doom. 16:116-7
# Allah made hell to be a dungeon for disbelievers. 17:8
# Allah has prepared a painful doom for those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 17:10
# Allah destroyed entire towns. 17:16
# How many generations Allah has destroyed since Noah! 17:17
# Allah intends to burn people in hell. 17:18
# “Set not up with Allah any other god, lest thou be cast into hell.” 17:39
# “Lo! the doom of thy Lord is to be shunned.” 17:57
# Allah will destroy every town before the Day of Resurrection. 17:58
# Whoever follows Iblis will be cast into hell. 17:63
# Allah will send disbelievers astray. Then he’ll burn them in hell, increasing the flames from time to time. 17:97-98
# Allah has prepared a Fire for the disbelievers. When they want a shower, Allah will give them a shower of molten lead to burn their faces. 18:29
# Christians will cry out to Allah’s “partners”, but they won’t hear them; Allah will send them to their doom. 18:52
# Those who are condemned to the Fire know they will have no way to escape. 18:53
# Nothing prevents non-muslims from believing in Islam. So it’s their own fault when they are sent to their doom. 18:55
# There is an appointed time in which the doomed will find no escape. 18:58
# Allah has destroyed many towns. 18:59
# On a certain day, Allah will present hell, in plain view, to the disbelievers. 18:100
# Allah will welcome the disbelievers into hell. 18:102
# The good works of disbelievers are all in vain. They will go to hell anyway. 18:104-105
# Hell is the reward for disbelievers because they made a jest of Allah’s revelations and messengers. 18:106
# “Woe unto the disbelievers from the meeting of an awful Day.”
Jesus was not the Son of God. Those who say he was (Christians) are going to hell. 19:35-37
# Allah will pluck out from every sect those who should burn in hell. 19:69-70
# “How many a generation have We destroyed before them?”
Allah brags about destroying entire generations. 19:74
# Allah will prolong the lives of non-believers so they can see their punishment, either in this world or in the Hour of doom. 19:75
# Allah will record what disbelievers say and then prolong their torment. 19:77-79
# Allah has sent the devils on the disbelievers to confuse them. 19:83
# Allah will “drive the guilty unto hell, a weary herd.” 19:86
# Allah has destroyed many generations. 19:98
# Allah destroyed entire towns, yet the people still disbelieved. 20:6
# The people cried out for mercy, but Allah killed them anyway. 20:15
# Lo! it hath been revealed unto us that the doom will be for him who denieth and turneth away.” 20:48
# “There [in hell] he will neither die nor live.” 20:74
# Those who do not believe Allah’s revelations will face doom in the Hereafter. 20:127
# Allah has destroyed many generations. 20:128
# Allah destroyed entire towns, yet the people still disbelieved. 21:6
# “And one of them who should say: Lo! I am a god beside Him, that one We should repay with hell.” 21:29
# Disbelievers will not be able to put out the fire on their faces and backs. They will be stupefied and no one will help them. 21:39-40
# “Fear the Lord … and dread the Hour of doom.” 21:49
# Every person alive at the time of the flood was evil. So Allah drowned them all. 21:77
# The disbelievers will stare in terror at what Allah has in store for them. 21:97-99
# When the doom of Allah comes, pregnant women will suffer miscarriages, and men will act like they are drunk. 22:1-2
# The devil will guide some to the punishment of the Flame. 22:3-4
# Those who turn from the way of Allah will face ignominy in this world and burning in the next. 22:9
# Whoever thinks that Allah will not give Muhammad victory should go hang himself. 22:15
# “There are many unto whom the doom is justly due. Allah doeth what he will.” 22:18
# Disbelievers will wear garments of fire, boiling fluid will be poured on their heads, their bellies and skin will be melted, they will be tormented with iron hooks, and when they try to escape they will be driven back with the taunt: Taste the doom of burning. 22:19-22
# Allah will provide the disbelievers with a painful doom. 22:25
# How many towns Allah has destroyed! 22:45
# “They will bid thee hasten on the Doom.” 22:47
# Those who disregard Allah’s revelations are the owners of the Fire. 22:51
# “Those who disbelieve will not cease to be in doubt thereof until the Hour come upon them unawares, or there come unto them the doom of a disastrous day.” 22:55
# Those who disbelieve Allah’s revelations will have a shameful doom. 22:57
# Those who disbelieve Allah’s revelations will burn in the Fire. 22:72
# Allah told Noah not to bother pleading for the people he was about to drown. 23:27
# Those who don’t believe in the Hereafter will receive extreme punishment from Allah. 23:74-77
# “Those whose scales are light are those who lose their souls, in hell abiding.” 23:103
# When fire burns their faces, they will be glum. 23:104
# Scourge adulterers and adulteresses with 100 stripes. Do not show them any pity. Have a party of believers watch the punishment. 24:2
# Those who spread slander will face an awful doom. 24:11
# Those who murmur will face an awful doom. 24:14
# Those who traduce virtuous, believing women … cursed are they in the world and the Hereafter. Theirs will be an awful doom.” 24:23
# Disbelievers will never escape the Fire that will be their home. 24:57
# Those who deny the coming of the Hour will be chained together and burned with fire. They will pray for their own destruction. 25:11-13
# Allah will force the evil-doers to taste great torment. 25:19
# It will be a hard day for disbelievers and wrong-doers. They will gnaw on their hands and wish they had chosen Islam. 25:26-27
# “Those who will be gathered on their faces unto hell” 25:34
# Those who deny Muhammad’s revelations will be destroyed. 25:36
# Allah drowned everyone in the flood of Noah, and has prepared a painful doom for evil-doers. 25:37
# “They [the non-muslims] will know, when they behold the doom, who is more astray as to the road.” 25:42
# “The doom of hell; lo! the doom thereof is anguish.” 25:65
# Those who cry out to another god with Allah will be tormented doubly in hell. 25:68-69
# “Hell will appear plainly to the erring.” 26:91
# Allah killed those that ignored Hud’s warnings. 26:124-139
# Allah destroyed the people in Lot’s town with a dreadful rain. 26:172-3
# Many will not believe until they see the painful doom. 26:201
# Those who believe in another god are doomed. 26:213
# Allah leads those who do not believe in the Hereafter astray by making things work out OK in this life, so that he can torment them forever in the next. They will get the worst punishment and will be the greatest losers. 27:4-5
# “Allah destroyed them and their people, every one.” 27:51
# Allah sent a dreadful rain on “those who stayed behind.” 27:58
# Whoever does something wrong will be thrown into the Fire. 27:90
# “We made them (evil-doers) patterns that invite unto the Fire, and on the Day of Resurrection they will not be helped.” 28:40-42
# Allah has completely destroyed many communities. 28:58
# Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined? 28:62-64
# Allah caused the earth to swallow Korah. 28:79-81
# Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah have no hope of mercy. For such there is a painful doom. 29:23
# “Ye have chosen only idols instead of Allah … on the Day of Resurrection ye will deny each other and curse each other, and your abode will be the Fire, and ye will have no helpers.” 29:25
# “Bring Allah’s doom upon us.” 29:29
# The doom of hell will come upon disbelievers suddenly, when they least expect it. 29:53-55
# The worst thing you can do is tell a lie about Allah. Hell is the home of disbelievers. 29:68
# Allah seals the heart of disbelievers. (And then he burns them in the Fire.) 30:59
# Those who mislead others from Allah’s way and mock Islam will have a painful doom. 31:6-7
# Allah will give disbelievers a little comfort for a little while, and then he’ll torment them forever with a heavy doom. 31:23-24
# Allah will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together. 32:13
# Allah: Taste the doom of immortality because of what ye used to do. 32:14
# Those who used to deny the Fire will be tormented in it forever. 32:20
# The worst thing you can do is to deny the revelations of Allah. 32:22
# He hath prepared a painful doom for the unfaithful.” 33:8
# Allah cast panic into the hearts of the disbelievers. He killed some, and enslaved others. 33:25-26
# Those who oppose Islam will be slain with a fierce slaughter. 33:60-61
# Allah has cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a flaming fire, wherein they will abide forever. 33:64-65
# The disbelievers will be burned in the Fire with a double torment. 33:66-68
# Those who challenge the revelations of Muhammad will have a painful doom. 34:5
# Those who disbelieve in the Hereafter will be tormented. 34:8
# But some of the jinn Allah burned with flaming Fire. 34:12
# “They are filled with remorse when they behold the doom; and We place carcans on the necks of those who disbelieved.” 34:33
# Those who strive against Allah’s revelations will be brought to the doom. 34:38
# Those who worshipped the jinn will taste the doom of the Fire. 34:41
# Those who ignore Allah’s messenger (Muhammed) will face a terrific doom. 34:46
# Those who are cast into hell be terrified when they see that they have no escape. Then they will believe. But it will be too late. 34:51-52
# The devil is real. He and his followers will burn forever in the Fire. 35:6
# Those who disbelieve will have an awful doom. 35:7
# “Those who plot iniquities … will have an awful doom.” 35:10
# Disbelievers will burn forever in the fire of hell. Allah will keep them alive so that he can torture them forever. When they repent and ask for mercy, he will ignore them. 35:36-7
# Allah has blinded the disbelievers so that they cannot see the truth. So it don’t bother warning them. They will go to hell anyway. 36:8-10
# Allah has destroyed many entire generations. 36:31
# If Allah feels like it, he will drown everyone. 36:43
# Allah will burn the disbelievers in hell. 36:63-4
# Those who “did wrong” will go to hell, and their wives will go to hell with them (no matter how they behaved). 37:22-23
# Those who refuse to believe in Muhammad’s revelations will face a painful doom. 37:31-38
# “Then looketh he and seeth him in the depth of hell.” 37:55
# If you’re not favored by Allah, you’re doomed. 37:57
# Those in hell must eat from a tree with the heads of devils, and then drink boiling water. After that they return to hell. 37:62-68
# Allah drowned everyone except Noah and his family in the flood. 37:82
# Allah tells Abraham in a dream to sacrifice his son. (But is the son Ishmael or Isaac?) 37:102
# Only the “single-minded slaves of Allah” will be saved from the doom. 37:127-8
# Allah killed everyone in Sodom except for Lot and his family. 37:136
# No one is against Allah, except those who burn in hell. 37:162-3
# Just wait a while and watch. The unbelievers will soon be destroyed in the doom. 37:176-9
# Allah has destroyed many generations. 38:3
# Those who doubt will soon taste Allah’s doom. 38:8
# Those who deny the messengers deserve doom. 38:14
# Those who wander from the way of Allah will have an awful doom. 38:26
# Those who disbelieve will burn in the Fire. 38:27
# David slashed their legs and necks (with Allah’s approval). 38:33
# The transgressors will roast in the Fire and be forced to drink boiling liquids followed by ice cold drinks. 38:55-9
# “Whoever did prepare this for us, oh, give him double portion of the Fire!” 38:61
# Iblis asks Allah to let him hang around and mislead humans. Allah allows him to do so, and Iblis leads all humans to hell except for the single-minded slaves. Allah agrees, and plans to fill hell with Iblis and his followers. 38:79-85
# Tell the disbelievers to enjoy themselves now, because later they will be owners of the Fire. 39:8
# Those who disobey Allah should fear his doom. 39:13
# The losers will be those who lose themselves and their families on the Day of Resurrection. They will be surrounded by fire. 39:15-16
# No one will be able to help those that Allah torments in the Fire. 39:19
# “Wrong-doers” will be taunted while suffering in an “awful doom.” 39:24
# The doom will come upon those who deny what Allah has revealed. 39:25
# Allah will make non-believers “taste humiliation in the life of the world” and ” the doom of the Hereafter” which will be even worse. 39:26
# The worst thing you can do is tell a lie against Allah. The home of disbelievers is hell. 39:32
# “On whom there falleth everlasting doom.” 39:40
# “They … will seek to ransom themselves … from the awful doom.” 39:47
# Surrender to Allah before he sends the doom upon you suddenly. 39:54-55
# Disbelievers had their chance to believe. They will all suffer in an endless doom. 39:56-59
# Those who lie about Allah will be sent to hell and will have their faces blackened. 39:60
# Those who disbelieve will be driven into hell. 39:71-72
# Allah sent an awful punishment at the time of Noah. 40:5
# Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 40:6
# When the doom comes, the hearts of the doomed will choke in their throats, and no one will help them. 40:18
# Those who ignore Allah’s “clear proofs” will be seized and punished severely. 40:22
# Disbelievers will burn forever in the Fire. 41:41-42
# The doomed will be exposed to the Fire morning and evening. 40:46
# While burning in the Fire, they argue about who is to blame. 40:47
# Those in hell will beg to be relieved from the Fire’s torment for just a day. But the prayer of a disbeliever is in vain. 40:49-50
# Those who bicker about Allah’s revelations are filled with pride. 40:56
# Those who scorn Allah will go to hell. 40:60
# Those who deny the revelations of Allah are perverted. 40:63
# Those who deny the Scripture and Allah’s messengers will be dragged through boiling water and thrust into the Fire. 40:70-72
# Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are all my parnters that you used to believe in? 40:73
# Thus does Allah send astray the disbelievers (in his guidance). 40:74
# Those who scorn will go to hell. 40:76
# When they see Allah’s doom they will believe in Allah. But their faith will not save them. The disbelievers will be ruined. 40:84-85
# Allah will make life miserable for those who deny his revelations and then he will torment them forever in the Hereafter. And they will not be helped. 41:15-16
# “The doom of humiliation overtook them because of what they used to earn.” 41:17
# The enemies of Allah will be gathered into the Fire where their skin, ears, and eyes will testify against them. 41:19-20
# Non-muslims will be tormented forever in the Fire. Allah will not have any mercy on them. 41:24
# Allah will make those who disbelieve taste an awful doom. Their immortal home will be the Fire, since they denied Allah’s revelations. 41:27-28
# “Lo! those who distort Our revelations are not hid from Us. Is he who is hurled into the Fire better?” 41:40
# Those who disbelieve will taste hard punishment. 41:50
# While some lounge in the Garden, others will roast in the Flame. 42:7
# Those who argue about Allah will have his wrath upon them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 42:16
# For wrong-doers there is a painful doom. 42:21
# “And as for disbelievers, theirs will be an awful doom.” 42:26
# Allah sometimes kills people for misbehaving. 42:34
# “For such there is a painful doom.” 42:42
# Allah sends some people astray and then punishes them for it by burning them in the Fire. 42:44-46
# “And thou wilt see them exposed to (the Fire), made humble by disgrace.” 42:45
# Those who turn people away from Islam will “be sharers in the doom.” 43:37-39
# When the Egyptians angered Allah, he drowned them all. 43:55
# Those who argue and do wrong will have a painful doom that will come upon them suddenly. 43:65-66
# The guilty are tormented forever in hell. Allah will not relax their punishment. 43:74-75
# “But they will come to know.”
Allah will torment disbelievers forever in hell. 43:88-89
# Those in torment will claim to believe and ask Allah for relief. But he will refuse since they will return to their disbelief. 44:11-16
# Those in hell must eat from a tree like molten brass that burns their bellies. Then boiling water will be poured on their heads. 44:43-48
# “He hath saved them [Muslims] from the doom of hell.”
(Everyone else is going to hell.) 44:56
# Those who hear and reject Allah’s revelations are sinful liars. Give them tidings of a painful doom. 45:7-8
# Those who joke about Allah’s revelations will go to hell. Theirs will be a shameful doom. 45:9-10
# Those who disbelieve in Allah’s revelations will have an awful doom of wrath. 45:11
# “Your habitation is the Fire, and there is none to help you.” 45:34
# Disbelievers will be rewarded with the ignominious doom of the Fire. 46:20
# Serve only Allah or face the doom of a tremendous day. 46:21
# The guilty will face a wind with a painful torment. 46:25
# Allah has destroyed entire towns. 46:27
# If you believe Muhammed, Allah will forgive some of your sins and protect you from the painful doom (that he plans to torture everyone else with). 46:31
# Allah will taunt the disbelievers that he torments in the fire, saying: “Taste the doom for that ye disbelieved.” 46:34
# Smite the necks of the disbelievers whenever you fight against them. Those who die fighting for Allah will be rewarded. 47:4
# Allah will damn the disbelievers and make all their actions fruitless. 47:8-9
# Disbelievers may eat and be happy now, but the Fire will be their final home. 47:12
# Those in the Garden will drink delicious wine, while those in the Fire will drink boiling water that will tear apart their intestines. 47:15
# Allah curses people by making them deaf and blind. 47:23
# Angels will gather them together and smite their faces and backs. 47:27
# Those who think an evil thought concerning Allah will be cursed and sent to hell by him. 48:6
# Allah has prepared a flame for the disbelievers. 48:13
# If you refuse to fight for Allah, he will punish you with a painful doom. 48:16
# “Whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom.” 48:17
# But if you’re willing to fight for Allah, he will provide you with lots of booty. 48:19-20
# Allah punished those who disbelieved with a painful punishment. 48:25
# Those with Muhammad are ruthless toward disbelievers and merciful toward themselves. 48:29
# Allah will hurl those who believe in another god into a dreadful doom. 50:26
# “We say unto hell: Art thou filled? and it saith: Can there be more to come?”
Allah talks to hell about it’s occupancy level. 50:30
# Allah has destroyed many entire generations. 50:36
# Accursed are the conjecturers who ask: When is the Day of Judgment? It is the day they will be tormented by the Fire. 51:10-14
# “We left behind therein a portent for those who fear a painful doom.” 51:37
# Lo! the doom of thy Lord will surely come to pass.” 52:7
# Those who deny the existence of hell will be thrust into its Fire. 52:11-16
# “Their Lord hath warded off from them the torment of hell-fire.”
(Everyone else is going to hell — and the believers are all okay with that.) 52:18
# “Allah hath been gracious unto us and hath preserved us from the torment of the breath of Fire.” 52:27
# Allah sent a storm of stones on Lot’s folk, killing all but Lot’s family. 54:34
# The suffering in hell will be more wretched and bitter than anything experienced on earth. 54:46-48
# Allah destroyed many people, but does anyone remember anymore? 54:51
# “There will be sent, against you both, heat of fire and flash of brass, and ye will not escape.” 55:35
# The guilty deny hell. But after they die they go circling between it and fierce, boiling water. 55:43-44
# But those on his left hand will face scorching wind, scalding water, and black smoke. 56:42-43
# Those who deny Allah and the Hereafter will eat from the Zaqqum tree and drink boiling water. 56:51-54
# Allah will welcome the rejecters and erring with boiling water and a roasting in the hell fire. 56:92-94
# Those who disbelieve or doubt the revelations of Allah will be face the doom. 57:13-14
# The home of disbelievers is the Fire, a hapless journey’s end. 57:15
# Those who disbelieve and deny Allah’s revelations are the owners of the fire. 57:19
# For disbelievers is a painful doom. 58:4
# For disbelievers is a shameful doom. 58:5
# Those who disobey Muhammed will go to hell. 58:8
# Don’t make friends with Allah’s enemies. For those who do so, Allah has prepared a dreadful doom. 58:14-15
# Those who turn others away from the way of Allah will have a shameful doom. They are rightful owners of the Fire. 58:16-17
# Allah cast fear into the hearts of the disbelieving People of the Scripture. Their home in the Hereafter will be the Fire. 59:2-3
# The disbelievers fear the believers more than Allah. 59:13
# The devil and disbelievers will be in the Fire. 59:16-17
# Allah loves those who fight for him. 61:4
# “O ye who believe! Shall I show you a commerce that will save you from a painful doom?” 61:10
# Those who disbelieve will have a painful doom. 64:5
# Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 64:10
# The fuel of the Fire is men and stones. 66:6
# Be stern with disbelievers. They are going to Hell anyway. 66:9
# Allah has prepared for the devils a doom of flame. 67:5
# Disbelievers will go to hell where they will hear its roaring and boiling. 67:6-7
# Who will protect the disbelievers from a painful doom? (Nobody) 67:28
# Those who consider the Quran to be “mere fables” will be branded on the nose.68:15-16
# Those who do not believe in Allah will be chained up and cast into hell-fire where they will eat filth. 69:30-35
# “Lo! it is the fire of hell Eager to roast.” 70:15
# Doom is about to fall on all disbelievers. Only worshippers (Muslims) and those who preserve their chastity (except with their wives and slave girls) will be spared from “the fires of hell” that are “eagar to roast.” 70:1-30
# “Lo! the doom of their Lord is that before which none can feel secure” (except for maybe those who are fearful of it). 70:27-28
# Disbelievers will enter hell with frantic with fear, knowing they will be tortured forever by Allah. 70:36, 44
# Allah sent Noah to warn people about the painful doom he was planning to send. (It didn’t work out well; Allah sent it anyway.) 71:1
# Those that Allah drowned in Noah’s flood were then tortured forever in the Fire. 71:25
# Noah asked Allah to drown all the disbelievers. 71:26
# The fires of hell will be fueled with the bodies of idolators and unbelievers. They will experience an ever-greater torment. 72:15-17
# Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will dwell forever in the fire of hell. 72:23
# The fires of hell will be fueled with the bodies of idolators and unbelievers. They will experience an ever-greater torment. 72:15-17
# Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will dwell forever in the fire of hell. 72:23
# Allah will take care of the deniers. He will tie them up, burn them in a raging fire, and feed them food that chokes them. 73:11-13
# The last day will be a day of anguish for disbelievers. 74:9-10
# Those who are stubborn to Allah’s revelations will face a fearful doom. 74:16-17
# The fire of hell shrivels humans and spares nothing. 74:27-29
# Allah has appointed angels to tend the Fire and has prepared stumbling blocks for those who disbelieve. He sends some people (whoever he wants) astray. 74:31
# Those who pay attention to this life and ignore the Hereafter will suffer forever in hell. 75:20-29
# The doom is coming soon. 75:35
# Allah has prepared chains, manacles, and a raging fire for the disbelievers. 76:4
# Allah has prepared a painful doom for evil-doers. 76:31
# Allah destroyed “the former folk.” 77:16
# Woe unto the repudiators on that day! 77:19, 77:24, 77:28, 77:34, 77:40, 77:45, 77:49
# Depart unto that doom which ye used to deny.” 77:29
# Those who deny the revelations given to Muhammed will burn forever in hell. 78:21-30
# “Lo! We warn you of a doom at hand, a day whereon a man will look on that which his own hands have sent before, and the disbeliever will cry: ‘Would that I were dust!'” 78:40
# Those who rebel by choosing this life over the next will go to hell. 79:37-39
# The wicked will burn in hell forever. 82:14-16
# Those who reject Allah’s revelations will burn in hell. 83:10-17
# The disbelievers used to laugh at the believers. But the final laugh will be on them. 83:29-36
# Some folks will be thrown into a scorching fire. 84:11-12
# Disbelievers will be given a painful doom. 84:22-24
# “(Self-)destroyed were the owners of the ditch Of the fuel-fed fire.” 85:4-5
# Those who persecute Muslims, without repenting, will burn in hell. 85:10
# Those who are flung into the great Fire will neither live nor die. 87:12-13
# On that day many will be sad and weary. Scorched by the fire, drinking boiling water, with only bitter thorn-fruit to eat. 88:2-7
# Allah will punish disbelievers with the direst punishment. 88:23-24
# Allah poured the disaster of His punishment upon those who rebelled against him. 89:11-13
# Those who disbelieve Allah’s revelations will have the Fire placed over them like an awning. 90:19-20
# “Allah doomed them for their sin” and burned their houses. 91:14
# Those who deny Allah’s revelations must endure the flaming fire. 92:14-16
# Allah will grab those who deny His guidance by the forelock and call the guards of hell. 96:13-18
# Those who disbelieve will abide in the fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings. 98:6
# What is the Calamity? It is a day when dead people’s bodies will be scattered like moths, consumed in a raging fire. 101:1-11
# Allah will show humans hellfire and then he will ask them about pleasure. 102:5-7
# Some rich folks will be flung into the Consuming One, the fire of Allah. 104:4-6
# Abu Lahab will die and be plunged in flaming Fire. His wife will have on her neck a halter of palm fiber. 111:1-5
*Greenworld*
If you believe to God, to Islam, why did you write it?
If you don’t believe, then if it will be true what Islam says, (which will be), then it is what they deserved, the fire. Because they deny their Creator.
If my worker won’t listen to me, I will may punish him. Also God, if his creatures don’t want to listen to Him, then He will punish them, as a result they (people) worked.
One thing more, God doesn’t make injustice. If you make bad things, then God may punish you, but if you didn’t make bad deeds, then don’t be scared. If you are sincere.
“If you don’t believe, then if it will be true what Islam says, (which will be), then it is what they deserved, the fire. Because they deny their Creator.”
Yeah but it’s not true. That’s why we don’t fear your vision of hell.
Also, your analogy regarding punishing your workers is unbalanced since you don’t kill your employees if they disobey a direct order.
Allah’s apparent authority was conveyed indirectly through an illiterate man who was empowered by the obedient herd that followed him and believed his every word.
The threat of everlasting torment is just a primitive mechanism for intimidating followers so that they remain in their boxes of fear. This way the shepherd can ensure the followers take a big step towards unquestioning loyalty.
What an incredibly stupid analogy. There’s a huge difference between slashing someone’s throat with a sword for disagreeing with your views and an employer simply dismissing a worker from the job — can you tell me which of these two is more violent and evil than the other? I could never respect anyone who threatens violence or suffering to those who disagree; if you don’t respect people like that, yet you worship a deity as vicious as Allah, then I think you should go and seek psychotherapy.
Also, when did I ever say I believe in Islam? I was just pointing out the so-called “peacefulness” (as defined by the religion which your pedophile Prophet established). Apparently, Allah loves the shedding of blood, and it’s evident there’s so much violence in the Qur’an. I guess that’s why the extremists are so devoted to their beliefs; they’d go as far as strapping bombs to their bodies and blowing themselves up where many people — innocent ones, especially — dwell, just because they have different social views than the extremists. So much for a “peaceful religion,” huh?
Rather, I’d wager that Islam is a religion of (dead body) PIECES — one “peace” here, and another “peace” there. At least, if there’s one thing I can actually agree with you Muslims, it’s that there’s really no such thing as “Radical Islam” (and there never was), because it’s a very redundant thing to say.
P.S. To any Christian reading this and slamming Islam for being evil (yet telling others to praise Yahweh/Jesus instead): Get a mirror.
I sat through the whole video. What horseshit.
Everyone interviewed has the promotion of Islam at the top of their agenda. This annuls the illusion of neutrality (for those who expected neutrality).
Alleged misconceptions about Islam are briefly touched upon but poorly rebuffed, if at all.
The troubling elements of Islam are dismissed as wildly inaccurate or exaggerated by western media (an excuse we’ve all heard numerous times).
Carefully selected excerpts from the quran are used to convey a message of peace and equality whereas the numerous threats and detailed punishments are omitted from the video.
There was a brief mention of the virtue of attempting to emulate Mohammed’s life as he is said to be the perfect example to live by, but they deliberately sidestepped the issues of his polygamy, his prepubescent wife (or 2), his warmongering and his indulgence in the spoils of war.
Thanks Andre, I only stuck with it to see if it pushes the limits of my tolerance for bullshit.
It didn’t offer any argument I hadn’t heard before but I’m still happy to pick holes in it.
muslim girl Friday September 24th, 2010 @ 2:52pm
This is what caught my eye
(Turns out the one and only “relevant” line in the whole book simply says “we parted heaven from earth”.
I find it strange that such an important event would only get this single line from the almighty creator, leaving mankind to attempt to fill in its gaps, when the rest of the quran is so full of repetition of threats regarding an eternal damnation for all unbelievers.
Allah’s apparent authority was conveyed indirectly through an illiterate man who was empowered by the obedient herd that followed him and believed his every word.
The threat of everlasting torment is just a primitive mechanism for intimidating followers so that they remain in their boxes of fear. This way the shepherd can ensure the followers take a big step towards unquestioning loyalty.
Mohammed’s life as he is said to be the perfect example to live by, but they deliberately sidestepped the issues of his polygamy, his prepubescent wife (or 2), his warmongering and his indulgence in the spoils of war)
The example of the manager and the employee the Similarities arent many but some
if we thinked Quietly in islam
we will find that God gave us everything began with our life our soul and creation for nothing God did not take from us anything in the return in the other side your manager gave you salary for your work and if you did not work he will take his gift so you do not Condemns to your manager. you Condemns to your God WITH Worship
The character of allah in islam is the God of hearts forgive our misdeeds if we did not want it to be so normally The principle of hell and paradise be our choice
like people who do and people who do not are not equal
supose with me that islam is the truth so what did you do to be in paradise? islam is two parts the first is about your mind your believe in Allah exist your heart comfort with his order and the other is about worship your God with the his ways
Also, i want to explain that the prophet (PBUH) was shy man (rure)
In my opinion his Manners makes from him an angel he never been violent with any of his wives he never hurt them not with his tongue or his body
he respected them thier minds ,opinion thier rights
he was the right example to follow and about the polygamy it was God orders as islam agree on polygamy it must done by the prophet at first or people will say that was not in islam
I will Confess with this i cry when i hear about the prophet life
he was more than great or perfect
And (his prepubescent wife) the prophet (PBUH)marrage with Aicha was not
It was To confirm the link between him and a friend of Abu Bakr
it was not for sexual pleasure or these Shallow stuff
#1 people do not get married only to have sex (marrage is also kids ,family, responsibility and other stuff )
#2 you see stuff only from your side , you want me to believe that all the ideas that you got from the prophet marrage with aicha will sum up in thier reproduction process
#3 thier was a love story , they loved each other and the prophet did not touch her until she Completed the age of puberty means it was in the right way
#4 since 1400 year the girls were get married younger than now and in the hot countries girls grow up faster than the cold countries
#5 the first wife of the prophet (PBUH)Khadijah was older than him she was40 and he was 25 so we conclude that age can not control love and marrage in islam
is it simple?
sorry i will be back later and continue this comment
Hal Friday September 24th, 2010 @ 7:24pm
Don’t bother. Nothing you say is of any importance or relevance. In fact, It’s grade A bullshit.
“Girls grow up faster in hot countries” she says. Fuck off back to school you credulous child.
SpoonmanWoS Friday September 24th, 2010 @ 7:34pm
How ’bout I put this in terms you can understand? Shut up, you’re just a woman. If you speak again, I’m going to set fire to you for your evil impertinence. A true Muslim woman would know her place!
muslim girl Friday September 24th, 2010 @ 9:22pm
Yeah , the school need me more, you know there is(arabic ,english(american and british) and french and science ,maths , social studies ,computer, german ) this is the main subjects of course thier is others and my mother let me use the internet and tv
in holidays she think it wast my time
I am completely Tired from you and the school so why i will read all your comments while you are liar
Expose yourself what is your country and your job and how you live like that? in western countries ,which one ? why all of this ? is it because you do not believe it ? i did not ask you to ,you are the one who began this ,you made it as a fight or war or game
Your first concern is to be the winner to be right and you are not
hear this do not think that you are diffrent or special or you discovered something? no
Really this is Sterile conversation
Herd ,you call us herd ,what about you ?
You can say that we drink something every morning to be like that , to be brainwashed liars and violent terrorists
Who are you talking about?
Every thing happen for a reason, for any action there is reaction ,nothing is new not us and not you
I read that honesty is the shortest ways to convince ,i was completely honest .
Do you hide something? like what?terrorists, violence and religion
Go back to your parents and ask them about the missing part of your irreligious childhood then tell me what you had discovered
And i am not to accept with it is personal of course it is personal And i respect this but you hide something ? i am sure
You know you are reading about psychology and philosophy too much you believe it and you can not see it also it made by human minds created by God and people make mistakes
What about God ? we see him in many other ways
We are the proof of God exist with our nature
I have Depression from you . fix this hal
And SpoonmanWoS, you will what? excuse me but how you can
set fire on me for my evil impertinence .explain .
It is not because i am 15 you can say terrifying words for children under age of 5
New, yeah, smile you are the first one who threatens me here
You are violent and crazy and tell me where is my place ?as muslim woman means as you think
People try to advance from this complicated subject not by being a muslim but with cleaning your heart from all darkness and hatred
How could you live like that ? i can not feel normaly while there is something is danger and awful around me
I am living in 2010 year
Riot Sunday September 19th, 2010 @ 6:37am
The only “Peace” the Middle East will see are all the “Peaces.”
I really have no idea what you’re trying to say. I’m not going to denigrate your skill with English. It’s passable. I think you’re just insane and can’t follow your ramblings. I will try to respond to what I can understand…
“Go back to your parents and ask them about the missing part of your irreligious childhood then tell me what you had discovered”
I didn’t have an irreligious childhood. I grew up in a religious family and attended a religious school. Fortunately, however, I developed a brain early on and saw how ridiculous this whole religion thing is. The religious types openly discarded fairies and unicorns as real, but had no issue with this whole “god” thing. Worse, they discarded thousands of other gods that were just as ridiculous as theirs, but failed to see how silly their own was. The only thing missing from my childhood were days without attempted indoctrination.
“You know you are reading about psychology and philosophy too much you believe it and you can not see it also it made by human minds created by God and people make mistakes”
Sure they do. They do things like believe in mythical sky fairies and then tell other people they’ve got mental issues for NOT believing in them. Without any proof whatsoever, they’ll fly a plane into a building killing thousands on the sole belief that some invisible man that no one has ever seen…except one child molester 1400 years ago, or a couple of nutjobs even further back than that…wants them to.
“What about God ? we see him in many other ways We are the proof of God exist with our nature”
Considering your idea of a god is a spoiled child that needs to be taken out and beaten…yes, religious people are just like that.
“I have Depression from you . fix this hal”
You have depressions because there’s a part of your brain that’s been telling you for years how stupid your religious beliefs. As you participate in this site, you realize you can’t defend the silliness, though you try, and your brain is reacting. It’s called psychology…oh, that’s right, you don’t believe in things that have evidence behind them.
“And SpoonmanWoS, you will what? excuse me but how you can set fire on me for my evil impertinence .explain .”
You’re speaking to men as if you’re an equal. Isn’t that disallowed in your religion? If you think it’s not, perhaps you should investigate why it is that a significant portion its followers believe that to be true, yet you..reading the exact same words in the exact same book…take a different interpretation. Such discrepancies are proof enough that your book is not the inerrant word of a god. It’s not even the inerrant word of a child molester.
“It is not because i am 15 you can say terrifying words for children under age of 5”
Oh, I see. So, you can set fire to children under 5 for their impertinence? For those older, do you prefer stoning to death or acid in the face?
“New, yeah, smile you are the first one who threatens me here”
I see that they don’t teach irony where your from, so I’ll tell you that you can ignore it. It went over your head.
“People try to advance from this complicated subject not by being a muslim but with cleaning your heart from all darkness and hatred”
I’ll clean mine out when your religion does. When you stop flying planes into our buildings, and stop burning us in effigy in your streets, then we can talk. Until you get yourselves domesticated, we’re going to treat you as the wild animals you really are.
(I’ll clean mine out when your religion does. When you stop flying planes into our buildings, and stop burning us in effigy in your streets, then we can talk. Until you get yourselves domesticated, we’re going to treat you as the wild animals you really are)
we ,who are us in your opinion? did you saw me do this violence cruel stuff before? i do not think so ,i am too far away from this
the people who did it i have never saw them
hear this
not because they said that they are muslims it make me one of them or make them muslims at all
In my enviroment i never saw someone claims to be muslim and did violence terror action
I am Innocent from them to the day of judgment because they are not Gods they are criminals also they should be punished in earth and after death
You also said your religion ,what is my religion did for you ? you can touch my religion or see it? it is some ideas and rules and i believe that it is from God
And about the doom and hell for disbelievers it is God business
no body from us sure from he is in hell or paradise
Some times i get scared from the idea of if me right or wrong
if God agree on this or not but i take reasons and excuses to my actions
I think that my relation with God is more important than any thing else so God is#1 forever it depends on be honest and loyality
the religion is more diffrent it is something to feel it, i feel secure and safe with God i do not know why? it is easy for me to follow my choice
i know that born muslim not make me choose but i did
also muslims are not countable group of people who do the same things every day in one place
it is the religion#2 around the world and the Statistics show that in 2025 it will be the religion #1 around the world
so muslims are everywhere in every nation there is muslims
some people are sick of any kind of religion and others believe in any one of the religions! my question is, can nations survive without religion? if yes then is there any primitive nation (say 1000 years back) without religion still existing???? one more thing, i am not supporting any religion! i am just learning things from your scholastic views! and question again repeated: “what should be done to make this earth a peaceful place to live on????”
A nation could exist without religion, it’s just that religion imposes itself at every opportunity.
What should be done to make this a peaceful Earth? First step: eliminate the religious mentality.
Religion is spirituality after it’s been raped, turned over, slapped in the face with the instrument that raped it, turned over again, and raped a second time.
If I was forced to go with *any* religion, I’d have to go with Buddhism.
AT LEAST they have more meaningful moral codes than other religions… and to be quite frank, meditation ACTUALLY does help make lives better. Being the stressful person I am, there have been nights where I just sit down on my floor, close my eyes, and refresh my mind from pressure through musical sounds.
Buddhism is probably the only religion that is an exception from what I would consider to otherwise be “dead spirituality.” They don’t believe in any gods, and I’m FINE with that!
Andre Monday September 20th, 2010 @ 7:21pm
Buddhim, problems with:
Denial of physical reality, therefore this Earth doesn’t matter, therefore polution doesn’t matter.
To Buddhists, all that matters is the afterlife, and everything in our natural physical lives is inconsequential.
The smugness.
Sorry to attack you on this one, but I think I hate Buddhism more than most religions aside from the big 3.
Andre :Buddhim, problems with:
Denial of physical reality, therefore this Earth doesn’t matter, therefore polution doesn’t matter.
To Buddhists, all that matters is the afterlife, and everything in our natural physical lives is inconsequential.
The smugness.
Sorry to attack you on this one, but I think I hate Buddhism more than most religions aside from the big 3.
Meh, no problem. I wouldn’t really be a hardcore Buddhist anyway; I would just be a light Buddhist just because of meditation’s positive effects.
Hal Monday September 20th, 2010 @ 1:54pm
I’m not sure I fully understand the question. Are you asking if we would like our respective nations to follow purely secular laws or are you asking if we would like religions to be abolished or outlawed completely?
I wouldn’t be radical enough to demand or expect an end to religiosity altogether but I would very much like for all religions to step down from their pedestals and accept that they should be accountable for their crimes, that they are not above criticism and certainly not above our laws (man made laws for those who claim to only answer to a higher authority).
As Richard Dawkins puts it, I would like to see public consciousness raised to a point where intellectual integrity and honesty are held in higher regard than the ancient scriptures that most certainly limit our capacity to advance morally, sociologically and scientifically.
If individuals or families want to continue with their faiths then so be it. What right do we have to interfere?
But this also works in reverse. Religious views should be kept out of the public domain completely. Out of schools, governments, mainstream charities, rehabilitation clinics, etc. If someone attempts to impose their views on others then they should be shunned without fear of reprisal.
How’s that for a few ideas? Barely the tip of the iceberg but certainly a step in the right direction.
those who does not believe to god and Holy prophet mohammad (PBUH) are the heretics and the punishment of heretics are fire of hell on the doomsday,and those who make fun of islam are the disreputables and i pray to god those who make these things born them in hell again and again……., just think about one second of it….!
rescue yourself….!!!! u can start contrition today….god will bless u for sure….!!!!
I have to confess you need therapy (Psychological help) only between us your parents were devout? and i advice you to stop your unusual activites on children under 18 age
Not because you read two or more books about Psychology make you diffrent and right or great intelligent person with no mistakes
you know what i am sure hal ,andre and green world have no job
It is like you spend you life in front of this site what do you want to prove? this site is for insane Unemployed infidels
Actually I can access the net anytime using my phone so it’s not like I’m sitting in front of a computer 24/7.
You need to chill out and stop taking things personally. If you’re getting “depression” then stop reading shit that might shake the bedrock of your indoctrination. Go memorize the quran instead. And stop fishing for sympathy here, you will not find any.
You don’t know a thing about me Esraa so stop making assumptions because you’re so terribly wrong.
You accused me of being 17 before (I don’t know what could’ve possibly given you that idea).
No, my (moderate) parents are not devout. If they were, then I wouldn’t have the freedom of choice.
No, I was not raised as an irreligious child, I have been a Muslim for longer than you’ve been alive.
No, I am not unemployed, I contribute to my society.
No, I do not partake in any “unusual activities” with children (you must be thinking of your prophet).
No, I haven’t even read one book “on psychology” but I have a mild interest in the subject.
No, I don’t think I’m immune to mistakes but yes, I am certainly more intelligent than you.
I am not merely concerned with being right and winning arguments, but if I disagree with something I read then I’ll happily say so. If I am able to provide a better or fuller answer than what you or others say then I’ll try but I will never make claims that I don’t fully agree with and I will not lie just to put someone down.
You, however, DO lie. You lie to yourself, and by extension, to others. Grow up or fuck off.
you know what i am sure hal ,andre and green world have no job
It is like you spend you life in front of this site what do you want to prove? this site is for insane Unemployed infidels
Who the hell are you to assume you even know my personal life? And for the record, I am in COLLEGE. I bet you would be able to get a job one day, muslim girl, but it would most likely be you processing orders for one Big Mac burger, medium french fries, and a large Coke.
It would be more practical to just order a large big mac meal than those 3 items individually.
She wouldn’t work for McDonalds anyway because undoubtedly she believes that all of their profits are fed directly to israel.
Ezekiel Tuesday September 21st, 2010 @ 12:35pm
The Christians are damning me to hell, the Muslims are damming me to hell. It’s a good thing both are such peaceful and loving religions or I might get the idea they don’t like me.
ok guys if you realy want to know about islam visit this page (http://www.cincinnatibeacon.com/index.php?/contents/comments/the_christian_bias_and_learning_about_islam/).
Your Prophet was a fucking pedophile. That’s all I know, and it’s all it takes for anyone to desecrate your religion. I don’t regret a single word from this post.
Hi all non Muslim friends(and according to Hal, I should consider them as foes).
I never had accepted defeat, like Andre said, i am defeated, stupid, lacking research sense bla bla…
In my whole conversation, i haven’t used a single vulgar word, bc it is my Islam who forbids me. on the other hand most non-muslim used, bc science dont teaches manners. If a muslim used those words, he committed a sin. No muslim is perfect, the fact is, out of all, only few are truly 100% following Islam. If we had followed Lslam fully, then we would have been dominant. But the time is going to come when muslims will become dominant before the of the end of time. (why? bc our prophet said so). Prophet gave us prediction that this this will happen, and each and every prediction is coming true, and we are moving toward the end.
For atheists:
why don’t we walk around naked? Bc according to science, it would be a healthy habit. Skin would have a lot of fresh air. If we truly follow science, then we will be no different from animals(no restrictions etc). Science do not teach what is right or wrong. so where the science followers found the rule not to roam naked, sleep with mother/sister->(i doubt about this point for u people,bc there is no limit to how filthy a human can get), not to kill some one for ur own good, not to tell a lie, respect ur parents, elders etc. because these are all the laws/rules set by religion, and u people use them.
It is true that i am still working on my thesis. I mentioned it, so that non of u might consider that i am turning my back. Am i am still busy, so won’t be here. Being a Muslim, it was my duty to knock at your Heart, to check if U would welcome,(even though it is irreligion web site).
On the whole, this far, your comments, questions, taunting… it was exactly the same as were done with our beloved Prophet Muhammad. believe me they say exactly the same wording that u people us, and get angry due to hatred without any reason
As i said in my first post, only those will gain light, and be showed right path, who Allah chooses.
And Hal, yes, I have intentions to convert all non believers to Islam, not just u, bc i want to save them. On the day of judgement, you will be asked “weren’t u told about Islam?” Then u people wont be able to deny on that day, bc me and my Muslim friends tried to show u the right path. U still have time to think
Please don’t get me wrong, it is neither our duty nor it is in our power to convert any single person to islam, however, however.. we are instructed by Allah to just try, and prey for them, who will gain LIGHT, is a choice to be made by Allah. We are not responsible for the results.
According to science, human life has no meaning for existence, we born and die, and all is over??. Ever wonder why r we here? what is our purpose?
Just to get born and die, this is no answer.
If Allah reveal him self now, (as the inner of ur hearts want, that is, if there is some “Allah”, as muslims claim, then why don’t he show up?!) then every one would bow, and it won’t be even a test. bc we are being tested in this world, that is, who comes with the right believe, without seeing Allah.
That’s all. If i heart some one with my words, truly sorry. My duty here is over. but i will keep praying for u guys.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Fucking priceless!!
I wish I wasn’t at the library so I could actually have a good laugh at this.
Wow.
So good, you really can’t make this shit up.
Seriously, good show: lies, stupidity, misinformation, it’s all there!!
I can’t even begin to enjoy this to it’s fullest potential.
Wow.
“In my whole conversation, i haven’t used a single vulgar word…”
“Fool, this in not how modern research is done, u have to have a lab. Mr. Tarzan” – Hammad, page 5.
Now, I’ll be the first to say this isn’t particularly “vulgar” but the implication made by your most recent post is that you were never insulting to any person on this thread, when clearly this is false, proven by the quote I’ve taken from one of your posts on page 5, where you foolishly posted obvious fake images as true findings of giants and boats from fairy tales.
Next:
“why don’t we walk around naked?”
I do this all the time. Not because “science says to” but because I enjoy it.
Your understanding of science is becoming more and more clearly very VERY limited. Almost to a comical point. In fact, not almost, it’s there. It’s very fucking comical.
Next:
“According to science, human life has no meaning for existence, we born and die, and all is over??. Ever wonder why r we here? what is our purpose?
Just to get born and die, this is no answer.”
More misunderstanding of science. Science has never said “life has no meaning.” Science searches for answers through experimentation, trial and error, observation, whereas you start with answers and look to prove them by ignoring anything that contradicts it.
There is so much more in this post to be ridiculed, and I or someone else will surely get to it, but I need to do a bit of reading before math, hopefully this sustained laughter in my head doesn’t distract me too much.
Welcome back Hammad. Your timing is perfect since I just got my laptop back (did your prophet predict this would happen?).
The debate on this page was beginning to stagnate since the highly emotional Labinot shied away, and the ramblings of Muslim Girl became too incoherent to justify an attempt to reply.
We needed a new antagonist to sharpen our claws on but I must say that your “comeback comment” was very disappointing. Here’s why:
Hammad :Hi all non Muslim friends(and according to Hal, I should consider them as foes).
I believe you’ll find ’twas Andre who said this not I.
Andre :Aren’t you not allowed to have non-muslim friends? Isn’t that a one way ticket to hell for you guys?
What I said was
Hal :
After all, I am an openly proud apostate whereas you sit in a circle reciting Qur’an with like-minded individuals.
You must surely have more disdain for me than other atheists here purely out of principal that your Qur’an tells you I have commited the ultimate sin.
You should know that there is a big difference between these two comments. Next:
Hammad :If we had followed Lslam fully, then we would have been dominant. But the time is going to come when muslims will become dominant before the of the end of time. (why? bc our prophet said so). Prophet gave us prediction that this this will happen, and each and every prediction is coming true, and we are moving toward the end.
You speak of impending Islamic dominance. How, feasibly, do you see this happening?
Through peaceful conversion? Through imposed force? Through higher birth-rates than the western and far eastern world?
An easy wager to make isn’t it? One that may not come to fruition in our lifetimes.
You can go to your grave happy, to have never been disproved on this point.
Do you realise that the idea of total Islamic dominance is utterly abhorrent to many muslims as well as ALL non-muslims?
It cannot possibly work with today’s understanding of acceptable and socially compatible ethics.
About your prophet’s predictions coming true, I would absolutely fucking love it if you could elaborate on that point.
Hammad :
why don’t we walk around naked? Bc according to science, it would be a healthy habit. Skin would have a lot of fresh air. If we truly follow science, then we will be no different from animals(no restrictions etc). Science do not teach what is right or wrong. so where the science followers found the rule not to roam naked, sleep with mother/sister->(i doubt about this point for u people,bc there is no limit to how filthy a human can get), not to kill some one for ur own good, not to tell a lie, respect ur parents, elders etc. because these are all the laws/rules set by religion, and u people use them.
Wow, I don’t know where to begin on this point. Really? Incest? Just like that you go from nudity to incest? I think this is very revealing of your personality. Has your religion been imposing strict rules on your ancestors for so many generations that you can no longer be trusted to exercise your own willpower and resist fucking the first female you see naked?
So wrong. If you were more accustomed to “flesh” then you would see that it really isn’t a big deal at all. This is why you make the ludicrous point of walking around naked. You see it as too extreme. Instead of then finding the balance of what is appropriate (like a T-shirt), the muslim mentality will jump to the opposite extreme. As in, “men cannot be trusted to curb their sexual impulses so women must cover up all but their hands and faces. If they do not, then those whoring temptresses must be stoned to death!”
Also, what do you think is the primary purpose of clothing? Go back to our lowly origins and you’ll find that by wearing the skins of animals, early humans were able to expand their territories further afield into colder climates.
It was not because we had to cover our private parts as you seem to think.
Hammad :And Hal, yes, I have intentions to convert all non believers to Islam, not just u, bc i want to save them. On the day of judgement, you will be asked “weren’t u told about Islam?” Then u people wont be able to deny on that day, bc me and my Muslim friends tried to show u the right path. U still have time to think
Have you considered that what you’re doing is a double-edged sword?
I know that you are too deeply entrenched in Islamic doctrine to be converted away from Islam. The thing is, there will be many others reading this page who are not as determined as you or I in our respective “beliefs”. People sitting on the fence that could more easily be swayed by a persuasive argument. If anyone finds Andre’s, Greenworld’s or my arguments more compelling than yours, then surely you’ve caused more damage to your agenda?
Hammad :why don’t we walk around naked? Bc according to science, it would be a healthy habit. Skin would have a lot of fresh air. If we truly follow science, then we will be no different from animals(no restrictions etc). Science do not teach what is right or wrong.
Just wanted to expand on this point. You falsely present a statement as fact again.
“science” (as if it were a single entity) does not state that walking around in the nude all the time is beneficial. Clothes aren’t just fashion or identity displays, they essentially protect us from the elements. Without them, you would be at risk of prolonged exposure to ultraviolet rays or rain or cold winds or sandstorms and so on.
Air can still circulate under clothing as long as it’s not too constricting.
You claim “science” does not teach right from wrong. Once again, incorrect. A professor in moral philosophy is always going to be a better source of information on ethics than any imam or rabbi or preacher. Philosophy is a very important branch of science that theists dismiss as inferior (to the arbitrary moral code of religion) because they cannot comprehend the idea of the mind having so much potential if they just remove the shackles of their scriptures. They assign that level of understanding to the divine and therefore assume it to be unattainable to the human mind. “Only a higher power can provide us with knowledge of right and wrong.”
There is a brilliant philosophical breakdown of the origin of that religious belief in Daniel Quinn’s book, Ishmael. He explains the stories of Adam & Eve and Kane & Abel in a more realistic, historical way related to the Neolithic revolution. These stories were then passed through generations and eventually adopted and bastardised by the Abrahamic religions.
hi i’m 13yrs and come across this and would to know why did someone bothered with these cartoon?
what to make a muslim see how horrible islam is? have you seen well and truly a muslim change religion become jew or christan ect….
i havent even heard of one!
If one defects to another religion then one is still limited by the same delusions.
Most people here believe that christianity and judaism are just as false as islam.
Had you asked “have you seen a muslim abandon religion altogether?” then I would answer yes, several times, myself included.
The non-violent muslims sit quietly while the violent ones take action. Silently they support their violent brothers.
Violent or not, you’re part of the problem.
Andre: Are you a muslim? no. Do you understand anything about islam? you think you do, but all you carry in your head about islam is this:
we’re nothing but a bunch of idiots who either go around killing people or cheering the killers on.
You don’t understand the process of research and studying, do you? You may be one who opposes the violence but the vast majority either commit the violence or support it, quietly or openly.
Oh hell yes, islamic violence is my favourite. I especially love it when they kill cartoonists for being funny. I mean, who WOULDN’T kill someone for doing their job? My question is: Why aren’t we killing all the other ones? What gives them the right to keep on living?
“there is NO such thing as islam violenec” – you deluded, lying waste of semen.
And just in case the entire history Islam – from it’s violent early spread to Western Europe through to the contemporary murders during the Danish cartoon furore – wasn’t enough for you, I think the violent threats of ‘ISLAM IS GOOD’ might be worth some attention of yours, you utter, utter twat.
theses cartoons offnd the TRUTH & BEATY of islam………… allah will punish you infidels for this offend….
muslim girl and hammad are tryin to show the TRUTH & BEATY of islam…….. yet you athests and christians dont understand………. you just continue making funn of allah, muslims and our PROPHET Muhammad(pbuh).
hal are you muslim? why are you arguing aginst other muslims………..
Bite me. I’d like to see your god punish us. If “one day is a thousand years” in a god’s time, then your god has been taking a HUGE long ass time to get back at us, huh?
whoever made this cartoon is totally racist, everything is so flase in so many ways. Why does everything have to be about bombs and for once make cartoons for something right about our religion. There is alot of extremisim in our Muslim countries but thats their own interpretation of Islam which is not even in our holy Quran which is not regarded as Islam. Hal you should shut up and start reading the Quran. If Palestinians are so called being terrorist to Israel, let them attack Israel because it their land and not the Jews, and you would do the same if somebody attacked your country.
“Racist”? Erm… no-one’s portrayed any stereotype about any race. The cartoon’s satirise religious belief, not genetic inheritance. Seriously, if you know this little about race and belief, you’ve got to start reading ideas and studied research that’s contrary to your opinions, as you evidently are really quite lax in that regard and come out with the dumbest statements as a result.
My dear friends i agree that i ay not have a right of speak in this world. with my forthieen birthday in 2 days i have no right at all. but i must say that yes i agree with you alll. yes muslims are hypocritical and maybe dishonest and murderous, however that does no tmake every muslim one. i detese against violence and want world peace bu tht e war ragig beween muslims and christians has tooo stop one day. when are people ging to learn too grow up. this blog/website was not a very good i dea it is proof of the wrongdoing of other religons, but islam. that i swhy we are so angered.
Ian i agree with Islam is good, it might be for the better that you do take this down and if you have any problems with the muslim sof the world i would be more than happy to take the balme for thm. if you have any complaints blme me. but please do not insult my religon. we never did anything to harm anyone, ven if here are some bad dudes around.
i once again ask you for the sake of world peace please take this down and do not insult us with your radical veiw comments and pictures than you.
This “Islamic Cartoons” article has 6 pages of comments. I can see that you’re about to start a cycle of questions that have been answered before, and that you have absolutely no understanding of science. Read pages 4 onwards before you jump in the middle of this debate. Better yet, come back in about 5-10 years so that we can have a proper conversation.
At 13, all our words will go over her head.
At 18+ all our words will go in one ear and out the other.
The second option seems preferable to me even though they are both, most likely, futile.
I don’t believe you. What you’ve been taught about nuclear fusion and nebulae can only be broad strokes. You could not discuss these subjects in-depth with a learned adult. You’ll certainly have no chance of contriving a decent argument for Islam here, that’s for sure.
i’m going to be a sciencist when i grow,you me to tell you what i know?
i actaully want to know what your understanding are of things Gliese maybe
and no sir you entertain me.
Gliese 581(I think this number is right) is an earth-like planet, yes.
What’s the relevance of this?
As for being our new home, this isn’t likely to happen anytime soon, we’ll likely exterminate ourselves before our technology is advanced enough to even make an attempt at reaching the planet.
This is not live chat, holy shit.
Realize that blogs/forums such as this one are NOT in real-time. Some people have other things to do as well and need to step away for a while.
What Andre said. Just because I didn’t reply back to you on time doesn’t mean shit about whether I have the decency to reply or not. I have (better) things to do than just sit here with my face glued to the monitor all day, caring about all the insignificant bullshit that occurs on the Internet.
Give it some time after your most recent reply to me, and I *will* get back to you.
Anyway this is how i see things involving god and universe
if gravity was a bit weaker,the atoms would have so widely distributed that they would never have been gathered into galaxies,stars and planets.
if the force of gravity was a bit stronger,the atoms would have been pulled togethere into one single mass and the Big Bang would have simply become the Big crunch.
BUT gravity was just right just like many other things SOoooo i think God did it
how else would anyway example it?
None of this is accurate. There is no reason to believe that the current state of the universe is the only way it could ever work. According to multiverse theory, it’s very probable that other universes have different laws of physics, including stronger/weaker gravity.
Not to mention that gravity has little to nothing to do with the “distribution” of stars and planets, etc.
Which deity/deities did it, then, assuming your theory is correct?
You do know thousands of millions of gods have already been “revealed” to mankind prior to your Allah?
Don’t give me the bullshit excuses like, “Oh, but the Qu’ran is the TRUTH, blablabla,” because this will only demonstrate how absurdly close-minded you are. What if it was Zeus who created this Earth? No? Then how about Vishnu? Waheguru? Baha’i’s God? Horus?
my point isnt about that, it’s about how i think A god was behind the creation of the universe.i dont give shit about the revelations just the fact that its common that things dont come out of thin air.
i am and gravity pulled all the atoms togethere and created the ‘Big bang’
but if you watch stephen hawking the universe.He talked about how everthing in the universe was just right to be where we are now although he says its ‘luck’
its just too much of a coincidence ,how all the luck just kept happening and happening.
i do uderstand but if you really knew about science in detail then you would too.The thoery of the Big Bang and evolutoin would mean that everything happened in chaos but see how perfect everthing is,the human body,the organ everthing is in perfect order.Example you see a car but you dont who made the car you’ve never see him but you know someone designed and made it because of your commmon knowlegd of thing.You know because you see the evidence of it,its in perfect working order.If there wasnt a higher power in control than everthing would really be chaos.
Andre Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 12:17pm
@fatima
Wow, you want to discuss “perfect order”?
Why is it that you think the human body is perfect? Is the squishy and vulnerable nature of the human body perfect? Why are we so easily infected by diseased and viruses? Is it because we’re perfect? There is an optic nerve that goes from the brain stem, down below the throat, and back up near the eyes. Why does it take such a detour? Why isn’t just a short and direct connection? A shorter, direct connection would, in fact, improve a human’s ability to focus on a given object much quicker, essentially improving our eyesight even further. Instead the connection is long, causing lag in the response time from when our eye sees something to when our brain processes it. This is mere milliseconds of delay, but it’s a delay nonetheless. What great engineer would screw up this bad? Evolution easily explains the way the nerve has developed, it’s a simple matter of development of the neck, in which the nerve initially was a short connection, but looped around what soon became our vocal chords (I believe it’s our vocal chords) which moved lower in our neck as we evolved, pulling the nerve down and forcing it to grow longer.
FYI: The blind watchmaker (or car maker) argument has been made before, and it has been debunked a thousand times over. Nothing is in perfect order, you really need to properly understand perfection before ever attempting to make this claim.
Hal Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 12:23pm
You’ve just jumbled every “theory” you’ve heard of into one sentence without understanding any of them.
Andre Thursday October 7th, 2010 @ 8:09pm
When do you plan to further discuss Gliese 581 and my response to your first comments on gravity?
Or are you just going to keep talking out of your ass?
You haven’t said anything about my comment, you repeated your initial comment even though I already told you that you were wrong.
Andre Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 12:08pm
You’re an idiot, this isn’t a “debate” it’s a discussion. If you bring up a topic, we discuss it, you don’t just drop the subject when someone shows you that you’re wrong. The idea is to prove your points, not make them and later disregard them.
You’re asking for too much, man. This is just not possible.
When has ANY one of these people actually responded to us? They simply post, wait for a reply, and then post the same thing with some bullshit addition that has nothing to do with what we’ve said.
It happens every time.
Yeah, I know. I just simply like to leave my questions up there, in case someone willing to open their mind decides to work on a logical response. Unfortunately, the majority of the Muslims commenting on this particular blog post are full of shit. Ignorance is bliss; I am inclined to do the same to them, actually.
fatima :The thoery of the Big Bang and evolutoin would mean that everything happened in chaos but see how perfect everthing is,the human body,the organ everthing is in perfect order.Example you see a car but you dont who made the car you’ve never see him but you know someone designed and made it because of your commmon knowlegd of thing.You know because you see the evidence of it,its in perfect working order.If there wasnt a higher power in control than everthing would really be chaos.
Your logical errors include combining the big bang theory with the theory of evolution; substituting natural selection for chaos theory; supporting the nonsensical concept of intelligent design and assuming there MUST be a designer; asserting that the human body is perfect; employing the “god of the gaps” in your reasoning; assuming the universe would descend into chaos without a higher power.
That’s just from one comment alone.
You have much to learn if you want to sit at the adults’ table.
Andre
lets get one thing clear my definition of perfect is clearly much differnt to yours !
for exameple , lets say a cell was missing from you body , would you be able to function properly ? no you wouldn’t because everything is created to make another work.
And if you think the human can be improved then why don’t you have a go making your own ‘perfect’ human.
Do you realize how many dead cells you have on your body at this very moment?
Cells are mortal, they live and die as an independent being but perform as a cooperative member of a group of cells. You know what happens when cells live forever? Tumors. Cancer is, in the most basic way of defining it, immortal cells that clump up and continue to multiply, causing deteriorated health and death for the victim. Wow, what another awesome example of imperfection.
Also, “perfect” is not an arbitrary word, it has a specific definition, you can’t just input your own and whine when you sound stupid for doing so. This is no different than saying “it’s just my opinion, so there.”
I’m not as nice as Hal, and I’ll be the first to suggest that you stop trying right now before you make yourself look as stupid as Hammad did on page 5.
I have no idea what you’re trying to say here.
Your English is so bad in this post that I can’t even piece it together and find out just how stupid it probably is.
ok so i have looked over page 5 and don’t see how i relate to Hammad.
But i would like A reason from one of you why you think God dosent exist,a proper logic reason not a link but in your own words, as i have not heard the reasons yet.
loooooooooooool! i knew you would say something like that.
maybe because you dont have a logic reason AND its why am i bothering if you cant even proof your points.
?
My goodness you’re stupid.
You really are up there with Hammad. A few more posts like these and you just might make your way on to the weekly fundie ramblings.
Hal :
“What evidence do you have that god does not exist? You have none.”
To argue against this point I would first ask you to define what you mean by “god”.
A deist god is harder to disprove because our technology and mathematics aren’t yet at an adequate level to fully understand the workings of the universe, its creation and its future.
But you said you are muslim, which means that you are arguing for allah, a theist god.
A god that has the power to intervene at a universal, global, and personal level.
A god that has announced himself to mankind and set a code of conduct that must be adhered to.
A god that made numerous rules about how people should live and exactly how to worship him.
A god who is indirect and vague, who chose questionable representatives as prophets.
A god who released a holy book into the world that makes numerous claims about the workings of the universe, the fate of man, the afterlife, judgement day, heaven, hell, angels, demons, jinn, miracles, flying horses and countless other illogical discrepancies.
A god who is obsessed with devotion, gaining it by instilling fear into the hearts of his followers.
A god that claims to be merciful and gracious but almost always opts for slaughter and bloodshed for non-believers and blasphemers.
A god with many angry followers, willing to kill indiscriminately both domestically and abroad.
A god that remains trapped in the 7th century, refusing to adapt to modernity or civility.
A god who, after 1400 years, has yet to provide evidence for his existence or link to the men and women that call to him daily or weekly.
The same people that force their religion onto their children and offer no alternative.
The same people who blindly defend their faith despite the carnage that results from it.
The same people who say that “a few misguided individuals” give their religion a bad name.
Those few misguided individuals are actually adding up to become a worrying number of groups.
The frequency of suicide attacks, car-bombings, shootings, beheadings, stonings, honour killings, and other murders in the name of god are at an all time high and still rising.
So you say we have no evidence?
I say we are swimming in an ocean of evidence but you can’t see it from your current perspective.
The specific traits of the god you follow are undeniably primitive, power hungry human traits.
Imagined by a coalition of men with beards, and fine tuned over hundreds of generations.
God can be disproved on so many levels.
Philosophy, cosmology, biology, geology and archaeology are some obvious fields that have proven that the holy books contain errors.
There are countless other, more specialised scientific fields that constantly chip away at the armour your god wears.
I won’t list further specifics as I have put forth many arguments against religion on this site today and in the past.
Instead I’ll give you a list of books that I recommend you read for further insight.
Richard Dawkins – “The God Delusion” and “The Selfish Gene”
Dawkins discredits religion mostly through his knowledge of biology and evolution.
Sam Harris – “Letter to a Christian Nation” and “The End of Faith”
Harris mostly describes the negative effects of religion on modern society.
Christopher Hitchens – “God is Not Great” and “The Portable Atheist”
Hitchens deconstructs god and religion through logic and reason.
Daniel Quinn – “Ishmael” and “The Story of B”. Quinn is my favourite author.
He describes in great detail the origins of monotheism and invalidates it with philosophy.
Also, watch some documentaries and read up about other religions, you will see how similar and pointless they all are.
Next time you pick up the qur’an, try to read it more critically and you will see that it has no relevance to life in the 21st century.
Any good qualities found within its pages, like examples of morality, can still be found without it.
Losing your faith in god and religion does not mean that you will become a lawless beast without understanding of right & wrong or good & evil.
If anything, you will learn the value of life on earth, and enjoy your time here instead of worrying about earning a ticket to heaven.
You say we should tone down the hate?
These are just words. Read them or ignore them.
Bombing, shooting and beheading, etc are the examples of hate that need toning down.
Thats all very good but you have see that the points of religion are to fill unanswered questions like ‘why are we here’ ect..
i dont think people follow religion to do all this bombing and shooting
that’s exactly why i follow a religion if i didnt then my mind would be fill with questions.The quran says loads about 21st century like about the race of tall builds
and its true all these citys thats exactly what there doing to attract tourists.
A disaster in the west and a disaster in east
west=haiti east=pakistan
All this was said in the quran, i forgett the exact surah this was in but if you went i’ll go find out.
fatima :Thats all very good but you have see that the points of religion are to fill unanswered questions like ‘why are we here’ ect..
I’m afraid that’s not the case. Religions have the wrong answers. They have been using the same answers for as long as they’ve been around and none of it is relevant any more (if it ever really was).
Our understanding of the world has been held back by religions for so long until mankind began to seek other methods of learning.
Observation. Calculation. Pattern seeking. Testing. Step by step, we began to standardise the “Scientific Method” to study the true workings of the universe.
Much of what we learned contradicted with the teachings of the abrahamic religions, and the heavy hand of god’s followers crushed anyone who defied god by announcing they have found a better source of information.
The same applied to philosophers and free thinkers. Those who pondered the nature of the mind and how it works. Those who broke free from the dominant religion of their land because they saw it as a system of control.
Only recently has it been possible for people to openly contemplate our purpose in life without fear of aggressive religious response.
fatima :A disaster in the west and a disaster in east
west=haiti east=pakistan
All this was said in the quran, i forgett the exact surah this was in but if you went i’ll go find out.
Don’t be ridiculous, there is absolutely no link there so stop trying to pass off your qur’an’s hocus pocus as a fulfilled prophecy.
A line that vague could be applied to any time you like since natural disasters are frequently erupting all over earth.
Hurricanes, tsunamis, floods, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions. You can guarantee that these events will affect large amounts of people all over the world every single year.
You basically just said that allah knew he was going to devastate Haiti and Pakistan this year and, to fuck with us, he left a clue in the qur’an that was so cryptic that we’d never figure out how to avoid this devastation.
He must have laughed his holy ass off when the pay-off days came and thousands of people were buried under rubble or drowned. Even though they would have all been desperately praying in their final moments.
Hal, I salute your patience in going through all of this (largely obvious) stuff step-by-step for yet another person who hasn’t bothered to read through arguments that are contrary to their assumptions and opinions.
And before you ask again Fatima – it’s a public forum. Anyone can correspond. You might want to get a thicker skin and expect a degree of swearing directed your way given the standard, tedious, repetitive and answered questions you keep putting forward without really acknowledging anyone else’s developed responses to your queries and statements.
Thanks Ben, you’ve pinpointed the exact problem that recurs with most religious contributors here.
Our responses are laid out to them in the clearest terms possible yet they still fail to comprehend them. They then pose unintelligible or inane conundrums in an attempt to “stump” us.
Well it works. We can’t answer a question that makes no sense.
Why not? At least Hal is one of the more literate people around here… Neutered Views.
Hal Wednesday October 13th, 2010 @ 5:32pm
Why so bitter, neutered views?
fatima Sunday October 10th, 2010 @ 9:59am
your saying i dont undestand and your right i really don’t understand your piont of view of things and you don’t really understand mine.
thats many of the reasons why i wont be back THAT and my dad doesnt feel comfortable with me havind a discuss with men at my age.
this is the problem you cant assume that a whole religion is about terrorism just because a few do it that is just prejudice e.g its like me going up to you and saying i don’t like you because you are from that area i haven’t met you before and i only said it because i know someone from that area which i actually don’t like.
I don’t care about the terrorism.
It’s the stupid laws with stupid punishments.
The delusional bullshit.
The indoctrination of children who don’t know any better who then cannot leave for fear of death.
It’s the constant cry for tolerance of intolerance.
The endless assaults on progress.
The bullshit comments like your own post here, where you misunderstand the complaints made about you by the rest of the world.
You’re the ones hiding behind terrorism as a defense at this point.
You’re the ones accusing yourselves of all being terrorists by saying that we do so.
This is what we hate. And I do mean hate.
Neutral Views Wednesday October 13th, 2010 @ 5:00pm
they can find justification IN the actual quran for what they’re doing.
they could even make another sect for the bullshit they’re interpreting for your bullshit.
ok your saying islam is not about peace well ok then lets start from the start the greeting word of islam is ‘Aslamalikom’ which means peace upon you and the extended greeting is ‘Asalamlikom wa rahmat allah wa barakatuhu’ which means peace upon you and god’s blessing.
Also your saying ‘The indoctrination of children who don’t know any better who then cannot leave for fear of death’ firstly let me correct you on that point, who/where did you get the idea that children are killed if they leave islam and they are forced to be muslims… i am a 16 year old and no one forced me to be a muslim i chose for my self.
Check out these ‘peaceful’ and ‘loving’ verses from the Qu’ran in these links:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/inj/long.html
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html
Oh yeah, and Muhammad was a pedophile: https://irreligion.org/2010/09/10/muhammad-and-his-9-year-old-wife-aisha
What do you got to say now? “The Devil is blinding you!”
Neutral Views Wednesday October 13th, 2010 @ 4:58pm
that is arabic, not islam’ic’.
asalmualykum is TWO words.
lol, you didnt choose for yourself.
i bet you my life that you have never actually thought the question, “why do i believe in my religion.
your mum said so, so you did….
again people who are talking about things they dont understand, firstly i am arabic so i would know secondly all the islamic terms,qutoes,teechings,scripts are in arabic the language ofislam is arabic..
Neutral Views :that is arabic, not islam’ic’.
asalmualykum is TWO words.
lol, you didnt choose for yourself.
i bet you my life that you have never actually thought the question, “why do i believe in my religion.
your mum said so, so you did….
Esraa(muslim girl) Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 2:49pm
Dear hal,andre and green world and any other person who has a point to help us
I apology to all people in this site if i had mistakes that i can not see
I see that Miracles in the Quran is the use of terms that accurately reflect what they want .. And do not collide with any concept
I read the Koran several times and stopped at several things, including
In the name of allah
(If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur’an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.88 )
From surat Isra
(13. Those are limits set by Allah. those who obey Allah and His Messenger will be admitted to Gardens with rivers flowing beneath, to abide therein (for ever) and that will be the supreme achievement.
14. But those who disobey Allah and His Messenger and transgress His limits will be admitted to a Fire, to abide therein: And they shall have a humiliating punishment.
78. “Wherever ye are, death will find you out, even if ye are in towers built up strong and high!” If some good befalls them, they say, “This is from Allah.; but if evil, they say, “This is from thee” (O Prophet). Say: “All things are from Allah.” But what hath come to these people, that they fail to understand a single fact? )
From surat woman
(34. Verily the knowledge of the Hour is with Allah (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He Who knows what is in the wombs. Nor does any one know what it is that he will earn on the morrow: Nor does any one know in what land he is to die. Verily with Allah is full knowledge and He is acquainted (with all things).
From surat Luqman
(19. And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance. )from surat Al-hijr
40. It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law).
From surat Ya-sin
(73. O men! Here is a parable set forth! listen to it! Those on whom, besides Allah, ye call, cannot create (even) a fly, if they all met together for the purpose! and if the fly should snatch away anything from them, they would have no power to release it from the fly. Feeble are those who petition and those whom they petition!
74. No just estimate have they made of Allah. for Allah is He Who is strong and able to Carry out His Will. )
From surat The Pilgrimage
Explain this as you see it
Hal , about the info of girls grow faster in the hot countries than the cold countries
I asked my science teacher about it and he said that its true that the puberty of boys &girls in hot countries is earlier than the cold countries in your way i should say that you are ignorance fool but i read Hadith about prophet says that muslim should not describe people with bad words(insults)
(I am certainly more intelligent than you)i can not Judge in the certain time but i think my brother Hammmad is more than both of us
And i do not know what is meant by a computer 24/7 ,my computer is hp laptop but certainly it is with my father because of the school
sponmanwos,about the man and the woman in islam equal to any man (i have more than one proof that islam did not Underestimate or Humiliate any woman or the woman at general)
the man and the woman in islam are Partners in life
each one of them has but normally someone is more special will lead
When i said that you have no job i did not mean it literally but i meant that there is a limit for everything
If i will talk about any muslim i think i wish for every one to be so
And about green world enormous comment i did not read it all but some
so if Allah tha he will punish deny and Disobey him
why me as a muslim will want to bomb you ? i think #1 i will try to show you the truth and the right way #2 if he did not listened , i will not waste time with him because our lives in our hands and as i said before people who do and people who do not are not equal
This post is hilarious. You seem to beg for forgiveness while simultaneously being a complete bitch.
My favourite part:
“Hal , about the info of girls grow faster in the hot countries than the cold countries
I asked my science teacher about it and he said that its true that the puberty of boys &girls in hot countries is earlier than the cold countries in your way i should say that you are ignorance fool but i read Hadith about prophet says that muslim should not describe people with bad words(insults)
(I am certainly more intelligent than you)i can not Judge in the certain time but i think my brother Hammmad is more than both of us”
Specifically where you claim to be more intelligent than Hal and the rest of us, and then saying that Hammad is yet more intelligent still. We’ve already proven that Hammad is a complete fucking moron on page 4 I believe, may have been page 5, I get these mixed up because there are several of you being outed as idiots on every page.
Maybe you should start reading entire comments before responding to them?
“why me as a muslim will want to bomb you ? i think #1 i will try to show you the truth and the right way #2 if he did not listened , i will not waste time with him because our lives in our hands and as i said before people who do and people who do not are not equal”
Wait a minute, how does bombing us show us “the truth and the right way”? What the hell? Where is the connection here? Are you seriously that insane?
Esraa(muslim girl) Tuesday October 19th, 2010 @ 1:25pm
And who told you that beg for forgiveness
no ,i think seriously and practicaly
you may can not understand me but i do not care
if i am here to tell you something worth so i care about you and no shame or bad to say so
and (I am certainly more intelligent than you)
this is written by hal not me ,i was reply
about bombing i did not say so ,no attends to do so
And i luv hammad why i will say any bad about him? muslims can not be enemies ever
He is cool and idealism and he talk like my dad
Think like no moron here except one and he knew himself
And stop your Saucy words
I am disgusted with you
You are fake why you did not reply on quran ?
thats right because they focus on killing ‘infidels’ instead. muslims need to unite and that is a great way to reconcile — by killing and criticizing ‘infidels’.
You are a liar (Deceptive) or very stupid to understand
Ben Tuesday October 19th, 2010 @ 4:46pm
Why are you still writing, Esraa? Without meaning to offend, the truth is that your English just isn’t good enough to get any clear meaning from what you post.
Study English a bit more, and have the courage and humility to study texts outside your comfort zone (and if you’re going to get pissed off with atheism, actually reading a handful of decent books on the subject first might put you in good stead) – but, seriously, at present you are just typing out largely unintelligible guff.
For the record, there’s no two ways about it – all those hadiths agree that Mohammed was a paedophile. The beginning of puberty is not sexual maturity. Are you going to acknowledge the fact your texts agree he was a paedophile, or live in denial?
Ben
When the sexual maturity begins?
And do not ask me to believe you,it is more like to believe that Jews are the builders of the pyramids (not true), unless you have a proof.
.... Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 4:23pm
your saying that the quran isnt evidence because it cannot be proven well ok then how come it speaks about things that are happening now and will happen and until now everyhting that is said in the quran that will happen has happended please explain this to me. if somepeople wrote it then how could they know what was to come hounder of years on.
lol.. excatly as i expected focusing on one thing that hasnt happended ofcourse you wont belive it until it happens. lets focus on the things that happened. let see your answer to that.
i will give one example for now answer me on this:
One day while the Prophet was sitting in the company of some people, (The angel) Gabriel came and asked, “What is faith?” Allah’s Apostle replied, ‘Faith is to believe in Allah, His angels, (the) meeting with Him, His Apostles, and to believe in Resurrection.” Then he further asked, “What is Islam?” Allah’s Apostle replied, “To worship Allah Alone and none else, to offer prayers perfectly to pay the compulsory charity (Zakat) and to observe fasts during the month of Ramadan.” Then he further asked, “What is Ihsan (perfection)?” Allah’s Apostle replied, “To worship Allah as if you see Him, and if you cannot achieve this state of devotion then you must consider that He is looking at you.” Then he further asked, “When will the Hour be established?” Allah’s Apostle replied, “The answerer has no better knowledge than the questioner. But I will inform you about its portents.
1. When a slave (lady) gives birth to her master.
2. When the shepherds of black camels start boasting and competing with others in the construction of higher buildings. And the Hour is one of five things which nobody knows except Allah.
The Prophet then recited: “Verily, with Allah (Alone) is the knowledge of the Hour–.” (31. 34) Then that man (Gabriel) left and the Prophet asked his companions to call him back, but they could not see him. Then the Prophet said, “That was Gabriel who came to teach the people their religion.” Abu ‘Abdullah said: He (the Prophet) considered all that as a part of faith.
answer me on this —> 2. When the shepherds of black camels start boasting and competing with others in the construction of higher buildings. And the Hour is one of five things which nobody knows except Allah.
it is happening in dubai.and many other middle east countrys
these prophesies are some of many that prophet mohammed (PBUH) has told about and they are split into sections the small prophesies and the big prophesies nearly all the small one have happended.
answer me properly and dont change the question. how would a person that doesnt know how to read or write know all this would happen and in a very descriptive way.
Santa Claus delivers presents to all the “nice” people late at night on December 24 with his 12 flying reindeers. He knows when we’re naughty and always checks his list twice. The “naughty” ones get nothing but masses of coal in their stockings. Santa Claus returns to his workshop at the North Pole afterwards, where his elves are busy producing toys and other gifts for the next delivery.
Also, Santa Claus is jolly, fat, enjoys a feast of milk and cookies, and has a wife named Mrs. Claus who stays back at the North Pole when he’s out delivering the presents.
How would a person who doesn’t know how to read or write know all this would happen in a very descriptive way?
if you know that what you think is true and think this is wrong then answer my question and if you dont then you are someone who doesnt know what they are saying orwhat they are talking about instead decide to switch their brain and dont want to listen to anything.
Prophet Muhammad predicted that the Muslims would open two cities, Istanbul and Rome. His companions asked him which one would be opened first, he replied Istanbul (present city of Contantinople in Turkey). The Muslims opened Istanbul in 1453 A.D. after fighting for 55 days. The leader of the Muslims was Muhammad Al Feteh. This ended the powerful empire of Rome. There were two major sects of Christianity: one is based in Rome and the other in Istanbul.
2. Mongols and Tartars
The Muslims will fight two tribes. The first tribe has face like the hammer (the Mongolians). The second tribe wears furs and has small eyes (the Tartars (Taimur Lung and Genghis Khan). Both predictions occurred when these tribes destroyed the established Islamic state and captured the territories, except for the Arabian peninsula. But after a few years, they accepted Islam. There about 90,000,000 Muslims in China and around 80,000,000 Muslims in the former Republic of Soviet Union.
3. End of Caesar and Qisra
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said to Caesar and Qisra that after their death there will be no more Caesar and Qisra.And these empires joined the Islamic state. This happened in 638 A.D. (during the period of the second Calipha Omar).
4. Jewish Control Of Palestine
The Muslims and Jews will fight against each other. The Muslims will be on the Eastern side and the Jews will be on the Western side of the Jordan River. We know that the Jewish people captured Palestine and fought against the Arabs. The prophecy in this verse has been fulfilled through the support of the Israeli State by America, Europe and Russia.
5. People Prefer Dogs over Children
He predicted that in the future people will care more for dogs than their children. Today we find couples who do not want to have children and instead prefer to have dogs.
6. Open Sex
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) predicted that a time will come when people will have open sex in the streets and other public places. We see this in the theater, university campuses, etc.
7. Interest (Banks)
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) predicted that a time will come when people everywhere will use interest all over the world and nobody will be able to escape it. Europe and America were against interest until the start of the 19th century when Vatican started using interest, then others accepted.
8. Muslims Will Open Egypt
Prophet Muhammad told his (Sahabah) followers that God would help the Muslims open Egypt. The Muslims were told to be kin to the Christian people (Themee) and take care of them because they are relatives to me (Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) ). Under Islamic Law, Themee (Jews and Christians) have every right to practice their own customs and beliefs. They are not required to participate in any war to defend the Islamic State. In the 12th century, during the Crusades, many Christian Arabs fought enthusiastically with the Muslims against the European Christians to defend the Islamic State, because they were satisfied with their life under Islamic rule. Egypt now has 50 million Muslims.
9. Increase in Trading
A wife helps her husband with earning money. The relationship among families and relatives are weakened. Education improved. The justice system is unfair.
10. The Muslims Will Fight the False Messiah
The Muslims on the east of Jordan River and the false Messiah on the west.
11. Nudes on the Beach
Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) said that a time will come when the devil will put his throne on the sea and invite people to it. This is the present trend of going to the beaches in nakedness. This trend started after World War I.
12. Forty Islamic States
At the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), there was only one Islamic state the one which was formed by Prophet Muhammad himself. But Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) predicted that a time would come when there would be 40 Islamic states, and they will be controlled by the Anti-Christ. He also he also predicted that more than 70,000 people form the Old Persian Empire (Western Russia and Northern Iran, and west of Afghanistan) will follow the Anti-Christ. Many Jews are presently leaving this area and are moving to the Palestine area.
13. Adoption of Western Dress By Muslim Women
He predicted that a time will come when Muslim women will be wearing Un-Islamic clothing.
14. Aids (Or Sexually Transmitted Diseases)
No nation that ever practiced sodomy and adultery will escape the inflection of diseases, pains, and suffering which were unknown to their ancestors.
15. Transportation
The rider of the camel will pass his brother who has a heavily burdened camel and not offer him a ride. And there will come a time when a person will pass his brother. The camels of evil I have seen but no yet the camels of speed (cars) exist ( faster than the speed of horse.). There will come a time on my nations (nation of Islam) when they will ride the great saddles to prayer (cars).
16. Arabs Will Be Wealthy
Omar Iben Alkhataab narrated the word of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). He said shepherds with no sandals would be builders of tall buildings, and leaders of great countries. The Arabs have\ now built tall buildings and are presidents and kings.
17. Abu Ayoob Al A Nsari Will Die Outside Arabia
Abu Ayoob died in 674 A.D. his remains were later found in 1458. The Muslims built a mosque behind it. Prophet Muhammad lived in Abu Ayoob’s house in Medina when he first immigrated to Medina. Prophet Muhammad made a prophecy that Abu Ayoob would die outside Arabia. Abu Ayoob died in Istanbull.
18. Muhammad married a 6-year-old child and popped her cherry by the age of 9.
A Muslim apologist says that the reason he chose to marry a mere prepubescent child was because she was considered to be an “exception.” But of course, I’m sure a typical pedophile would also love to say that their romantic attraction towards that nice tan Filipino 12-year-old child is an “exception” to their initial attraction towards adults. A pedophile is someone who has sex with children, regardless if they are abusing them or not. Children are easy to deceive, and the easily deceived do nothing to stop it.
Greenworld :18. Muhammad married a 6-year-old child and popped her cherry by the age of 9.
A Muslim apologist says that the reason he chose to marry a mere prepubescent child was because she was considered to be an “exception.” But of course, I’m sure a typical pedophile would also love to say that their romantic attraction towards that nice tan Filipino 12-year-old child is an “exception” to their initial attraction towards adults. A pedophile is someone who has sex with children, regardless if they are abusing them or not. Children are easy to deceive, and the easily deceived do nothing to stop it.
wait firstly he married her when she was 6-7years old but she stayed with her parents till 9-10 this was something normal for people at the time they would marry a girl and she would only join him when she is older also how many time dont you get this at that time a 9year old girl would be like a 18 year old girl now she would of hit puberty and was like a woman.
Greenworld :18. Muhammad married a 6-year-old child and popped her cherry by the age of 9.
A Muslim apologist says that the reason he chose to marry a mere prepubescent child was because she was considered to be an “exception.” But of course, I’m sure a typical pedophile would also love to say that their romantic attraction towards that nice tan Filipino 12-year-old child is an “exception” to their initial attraction towards adults. A pedophile is someone who has sex with children, regardless if they are abusing them or not. Children are easy to deceive, and the easily deceived do nothing to stop it.
wait firstly he married her when she was 6-7years old but she stayed with her parents till 9-10 this was something normal for people at the time they would marry a girl and she would only join him when she is older also how many time dont you get this at that time a 9year old girl would be like a 18 year old girl now she would of hit puberty and was like a woman.
Who the fuck cares? I already provided you all I have (for now) on evidence that Muhammad was a pedophile. So why don’t you work on what I have provided so far? Or are you just going to whine at language? Cry me a river.
Greenworld :It doesn’t matter; it’s pedophilia either way. Cultures that accept these customs are organized by pedophiles.
Here’s the definition of what a pedophile is:
pe·do·phile /ˈpidəˌfaɪl/
[pee-duh-fahyl]
–noun Psychiatry .
an adult who is sexually attracted to young children.
ok then in most cultures burping after eating while still on the table is bad manners but in japan if you dont burp after eating then it is considered that you didnt enjoy the meal see its different in each culture. also again did u read what i said when someone is age 9 there sheis considered a woman.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pedophile
You illiterate glorified bag of piss.
ok then in most cultures burping after eating while still on the table is bad manners but in japan if you dont burp after eating then it is considered that you didnt enjoy the meal see its different in each culture. also again did u read what i said when someone is age 9 there sheis considered a woman. so you are being rascit as well now ‘It doesn’t matter; it’s pedophilia either way. Cultures that accept these customs are organized by pedophiles.’
ok then in most cultures burping after eating while still on the table is bad manners but in japan if you dont burp after eating then it is considered that you didnt enjoy the meal see its different in each culture.
What the hell does burping have to do with having sex with a child? These two are on the opposite sides of the scale.
also again did u read what i said when someone is age 9 there sheis considered a woman. so you are being rascit as well now ‘It doesn’t matter; it’s pedophilia either way. Cultures that accept these customs are organized by pedophiles.’
So, a girl at the age of 9 is considered a woman? What kind of sick minded culture is this? And what the hell does this have anything to do with racism? Not all Arabs are Muslims, you illiterate glorified bag of piss. Stop stereotyping.
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 11:27am
Oh Hal ! are ur parents still Muslims?
I am an Electrical engineer. My graduation:in year 2007. Hobbies are a lot many related to science, but i am into electronics.
what about u?
Sorry but i wont be here for few days. As I said I have to work on my thesis. Fun having conversation with ya.
Time for Isha and Taraveeh prayer.
Allah hafiz.
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 3:43pm
Hammad I am here to debate, not make friends so I respectfully reject your request to divulge further personal information… And I have several excellent reasons for drawing this line.
Mainly, I don’t know you well enough to gauge what your personal agenda is in this interaction with the “irreligion regulars”.
Of course it could simply be innocent, and you just want to find mutual ground between us to help you better personify the text you read from these pseudonyms and coloured algorithm-based icons.
However we cannot ignore that within our debate, we are on polar opposite sides of the fence. That essentially pits us as combatants in an arena of worldviews. That means that your agenda is more likely to be to “know your enemy”, even if it is just at a subconscious level.
After all, I am an openly proud apostate whereas you sit in a circle reciting Qur’an with like-minded individuals.
You must surely have more disdain for me than other atheists here purely out of principal that your Qur’an tells you I have commited the ultimate sin.
Alternatively, you could have been reading and tracking this thread for some time before you announced yourself or yourselves to us with your attempts to consolidate the Qur’an with Science (The S is capitalized for the sake of irony), and have made it your personal experiment to see if you can convert any of us or at least weaken our resolve.
Monday September 13th, 2010 @ 8:31pm
Some snippets from the so-called ‘mistranslated’ parts of the peaceful teachings of the Koran
Sura 9-29: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
“Sura 47-4: “When you meet the unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when you have made wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”
Friday October 1st, 2010 @ 9:38pm
thank you and i completely agree with you. these supposive “cartoons” are very racist. are’nt cartoons supposed to be enjoyful for everybody becuase these “cartoons” are not. whoever made them and/or posted them is a stereotype and really hypocritical.
Friday October 1st, 2010 @ 9:39pm
I posted them. Feel free to tell me how I’m a hypocrite…
Monday October 11th, 2010 @ 9:39pm
FM i dont think u have opened a qur’an and properly read it word for word. I mean no disrespect, but u lack knowledge, this also applies to Andre. If any other muslim has seen these pictures, they should not be angry. Allah, known as god in english, has given these women and men mouths to speak what is on their minds, so if they speak wrongly they recieve the sin. Ian I do not believe these depict my religion very well, feel free to keep these posted, but I and many others would appreciate if you removed these photographs.
Monday October 11th, 2010 @ 9:43pm
lol’d
Just give this one some time, if he continues with regular visits, he’ll get really aggressive and threatening.
With any luck he’ll just fuck off.
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 12:57pm
Hammad, give up.
You’ve shown me just how stupid you really are with the giant people.
You lack the ability to properly research something, and still have the audacity to tell me that I need to do my research.
I tried being respectful after our initial encounter, but then you became a jackass yourself, and then made a complete fool of yourself.
I will answer no further questions of yours.
Monday September 13th, 2010 @ 8:19pm
Islam/Muslim are not religions they are CULTS.
Monday September 13th, 2010 @ 8:21pm
Correction: ALL organized religions are cults.
Monday September 13th, 2010 @ 8:29pm
Correction: “cults” are subsumed under the neutral label of the “new religious movement”
koran is post testament, therefore its a cult
Monday September 13th, 2010 @ 8:31pm
…So is Christianity?
Friday October 1st, 2010 @ 9:42pm
your another racist who thinks just cause we made one person made a bad decision you’re going out and attacking a religion. racist, stereotypical, hypocrite. let me guess you’re probably a Christian or a catholic, thats like me saying all catholics or christians believe that killing or violence is the right way to handle things. first think about this and then attack another religion. dont attack a person.
Friday October 1st, 2010 @ 9:46pm
anonymous: Are you aware that a religion is not a race?
Saturday October 2nd, 2010 @ 11:01pm
Race =/= Religion
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 9:36am
anonymous; why not draw jew bombing children in Gaza or Bombing schools? Violence is human nuature not a religion you fucking idiot and no you didn’t do your research right. look into it again and if you don’t agree with me this time then shoot yourself.
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 10:23am
violence is not human nature.
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 5:33pm
To all the Muslims claiming Islam is the “religion of peace”:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 7:59pm
Line 112: “Entire nations enter the fire. Some get a double torment.”
Monday September 6th, 2010 @ 7:03pm
Hello regarding the link you’ve posted I just thought i’d double check for you as much as i can do. Most Christian brothers are very good christians but they aren’t aware of their books and same for muslim brothers. Next time you come across a link like that you should go and read the quran its available on the internet to see if its mistranslated. for example I’ll just point some verses out from the link youve shared
1)Don’t bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2:6 this is mistranslated obviously if you look it up and read the Quarn this verse to the nearest meaning is
Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe
2)Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 2:10 again mistranslated
to the nearest meaning this verse says
In their hearts is a disease (of doubt and hypocrisy) and Allâh has increased their disease. A painful torment is theirs because they used to tell lies.
this entire passage and more verses that talk of doom and “cruelty” to the disbelievers is specifically speaking about the people rejecting Prophet Muahammad (pbuh) at that time. and it can also be applied to the disbelievers of today but in a more metaphorical manner.
I don’t mean to pick on the christians alone its everyone from the Budhist to to hindus and sikhs and muslims and every religion we just say we are the followers of this religion but hav no idea of what our book says and go about insulting and debating other religions
O Muslims did you know its haram to insult other peoples religion, to win him over explain to him the beauty of islam if you can’t do it do some research ask scholars and come back don’t insult other people
and my Christian brothers same applies to you as Jesus (may peace be upon him) says in Mattew 5:17 “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil” see if he wouldn’t destry the the prophets i’e’ insult why should you when he says fulfill he means to explain to you why you should do this and not that and so on
so in the same manner if you think christianity is better bring forth arguments with references and muslims should bring their stuff but make sure everything is double trippl chcked
Monday September 6th, 2010 @ 7:08pm
When did we ever say we’re Christians? And I’ll leave your argument up for Hal to respond to.
Monday September 6th, 2010 @ 9:32pm
There’s really no point in getting into the specifics of every line in the Qur’an.
The short answer is that it was written by men who were limited by their ignorance.
Then many more men put in an enormous amount of effort to justify it all.
Monday September 13th, 2010 @ 8:24pm
I’m sick and tired of this ‘mistranslated’ nonsense, its clear what the intention of this CULT is, to take over the world ‘slowly’. Also, don;t bring up the crusades, that was centuries ago, it’s 2010, get with the times and rewrite 1/2 of that crap written in that Koran nonsense.
Sawing off peoples heads, dragging burned bodies through streets…peaceful my azz.
Last thing I will say, when did the Kuran, or whatever that toilet paper is called, come out? Yes, after the first testament. So buzz off, you belong to a CULT A TANGENT away from a truly peaceful religion. Women covering their faces, right…
Monday September 13th, 2010 @ 10:56pm
Truly peaceful?
Stoning people for extramarrital sex?
Executing people for performing manual labour on a Sunday?
Stoning people (you religious psychos and your stones, I swear) for growing two different crops in one field?
This list goes on, bud.
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 2:28pm
you don’t understand you stupid face andrew……. islam is BEATIFUL!! blame the people stoning not the personal relationship with the prophet and allah
Monday October 11th, 2010 @ 11:20pm
Actually Andre everything u said about the peace of Islam is wrong except for stoning of people for commiting zina (extramarrital sex). Islam highly dislikes zina amd there is a big punishment for whoever commits it in the herafter unless they are stoned to death to atone for their sins. The reason why u r attacking islam is because u r ignorant and u may here a lot of people saying tht to u but i think u really should read the Quran and find out wat Islam is really about. People lik u are exactly why there are wars. Wat happened wen Pator Terry Jones tried to announce the Burning of Quran…. yea it did not go the way he was hoping it will. Even if All the Quran books were destroyed we would be able to rewrite it EXACTLY the same as it was because it is in our hearts and we memorized each and every single word and if All the Bible books were destroyed u guys would never be able to rewrite it exactly the same because of how much times it was changed and how confusing it is. You can talk about all the stuff u want about Islam after u actually read it and go to a scholar and have a debate about those false ideas.
Monday October 11th, 2010 @ 11:29pm
@okay:
You idiot, this post was in reference to christianity.
That being said, islam is also as stupid as fuck with their idiotic laws and consequences for disobeying those laws.
@Abdul:
Well… fuck it, I’ll just stick with what you people understand, you’re an idiot.
Sunday September 12th, 2010 @ 4:39am
do you know what these what these verses are reffering 2 they are talking about the last day when everybody that is not a believer would be punished is the fire of hell for all eternity
i would also really good job in twisting the verses and trying 2 make islam seem like a religion of violencebut it really isnt working.You are just plain brainless and ignorant 2 see that the punishments which you have published are the punishement that is reserved 2 the non believers on the last day of the world i.e judgement day and trying 2 make it 2 seem like it is what ALLAH has told us (believers)2 do in this world whereas it is only waiting for you in the afterlife
Sunday September 12th, 2010 @ 7:56am
Yeah we know what it’s about. The message is still horrific since it has a negative impact on this world, not on your speculated fiery abode for whomever you define to be unworthy of heaven.
Friday October 1st, 2010 @ 9:46pm
how many times does a 12 year old have to repeat the word hypocrite in one hour. in the early 1900’s right after jesus died the christian priests changed the books. at least the muslims followed their messiah and stuck with our god and have the same book after 1430 years. your book contradicts itself. get your facts straight and do your homework before attacking one religion.
Friday October 1st, 2010 @ 10:36pm
Dude, we’re atheists and agnostics.
Get your facts straight.
Do your homework.
And christ, take a lesson in English literature, Jesus died 2000 years ago, not in the early 1900s.
Holy fuck your stupid.
Saturday October 2nd, 2010 @ 10:37pm
Yes, we ARE Christians!
You’d better accept Christ, or you won’t get any of your reserved cookies in Heaven.
Hal-leleujah!
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 10:00pm
i so funny
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 10:03pm
are you guys muslim beacause i am a muslim and i am prod to be a muslim muslim is that best
Sunday September 5th, 2010 @ 10:32pm
Troll?
I wanna say troll.
Monday September 6th, 2010 @ 9:13am
A few points about the legend of Noah and his ark…
It is a tale that had been regurgitated by several cultures even before Judaism.
The oldest that we know of was the Sumerian deluge story from around 4000 years ago (I think. Unable to cross reference right now).
By the time it was adapted for Islam, it had gotten convoluted enough to reach nonsensical heights, since the main 2 sources of the story contradict each other, so there is a divided opinion on how many animals were saved, how many sons Noah actually had, how long the flood lasted and whether only Noah’s family were saved or if there were other “disciples” as well.
Muslims believe that a great, worldwide flood was sent by god to punish ALL OF MANKIND unless they accept Islam (even though there was no such religion in Noah’s unnaturally long lifetime).
Noah was apparently tasked with preaching the word of god so he was given a heads-up about this impending flood, allowing him to save 3 out of 4 sons (disputed) and a load of animals (because animals are more important than the remainder of humanity, who are all exempt from Allah’s mercy).
Now the best part: All of today’s human population is supposedly descended from the 3 surviving sons.
That would surely mean that their descendants would have been really really inbred?
I think I read somewhere that some believe there were 83 survivors but I can’t verify just now.
The link Hammad posted on the previous page about the ark’s supposed finding and excavation is unfounded.
Look up “Durupinar Site” on Wikipedia and you’ll read a completely different account of what really happened.
Another proof debunked. This should suggest to you that a complete overhaul is needed in your methodology.
You can’t keep bringing failed morsels of evidence to the table until you find one that we cannot immediately rebuff.
I won’t even dignify the fly dipping hypothesis that you insist we follow up.
Sunday September 26th, 2010 @ 6:02pm
Epic of Gilgamesh
Monday September 6th, 2010 @ 2:51pm
Hello all…
I am a 1st year college student…studying medicine…I believe in peace…and I am a muslim.
It’s your media who made Islam look like this,you will now start telling me : read…do research…know your violence religion…tell us about your Janna (Paradise) and stuff like that… this would be coming out of those who are completely racists and mind-closed.
Let me tell you who we are…our life…We live in houses…eat food…go to schools and colleges…and we have cars… we are humans… and the human is born to be peaceful…but its the devil who makes people (muslims or non-muslims) bad.
Think clearly, dont you think we want to live in peace? if a non-muslim killed 1000 people…should muslims make unfair judgments on non-muslims to be cruel,violent or savages? the answer is NO !
If you want to discuss violence you have to be a spectator…Dont you think America and American people would stand still if Muslims attacked it them …killed them..destroyed their government? Of course not ! They must defend themselves ! But Islam is NOT presented by Qaeda and its followers… How you are so SURE that Osama bin laden is NOT an American Agent? A muslim ? where is he now ? cant America find him ? or they are just playing hide and seek on TV ? You will tell me now…I am one of those who believe in conspiracy theories ! I might be or might not…but dont we live in a world which history is full of conspiracies?
Why do most people see non-muslims as Heros who make peace, and free other people of their cruel governments? And Muslims,Arabs,Other public well known enemies as Invaders?
The answer is simple? where is Hollywood? CNN ? BBC ? NY Times and many other media ?
I believe in Nations right to defend themselves without any exceptions…
Dont America have a percentage of people who stand against the government? Hate governors?
Hate their Polices? Well…Invaded Muslim and Arab countries had such people living their too. But again its media which make copper glow !
In Islam , In Quraan … those who dont believe in Jesus and Moses (Eesa and Mosa) are no muslims… and all other previous pophets.
We respect other religions, as our Quraan says that there is no obligation in embracing religions… and Quraan also says that Christians and Jewish shall never be convinced or satisfied in Islam…
Peace be upon you…this is what we greet any person we meet… believe it or not
Thanks for understanding and reading my opinion. :)
Monday September 6th, 2010 @ 6:38pm
Peaceful? Are you sure?
How many Muslims were murdered by other muslims in Lahore, Lakki Marwat and Quetta in Pakistan over the past week?
Or were their murderers Jewish CIA Agents posing as Pakistani and Afghani terrorists?
Or is it all made up by the media to further widen the gap between east and west?
Which conspiracy theory will you fall back on here?
Friday October 1st, 2010 @ 9:51pm
that was a persons mistake by being misguided not the religions mistake or the fault of the beautiful PEACEFUL religion
Saturday October 2nd, 2010 @ 10:55pm
But the religion influences the fault…
Am I to blame just one particular criminal for robbing a bank or the sources that influenced him?
Monday September 13th, 2010 @ 8:26pm
I can read moron:
Sura 9-29: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
“Sura 47-4: “When you meet the unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when you have made wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”
Do I need to keep pasting from your CULT manual?
Jerkoffs
Monday September 6th, 2010 @ 2:58pm
just a comment on the link above…U cant believe in Islam…and you shall never understand it…if you are an arabian person you will be shocked and your boddy will shake…tears would come out of your eyes when you (Tatadabbar) completely understand Quraan..
This is just not enough for you? Greenworld ? are you thinking that I am speaking non-sense?
explore your site well Greenworld….look at the left margin…and choose in Bible…
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html
And in my opinion this site is for those who dont believe in God in the first place! Those who ruined the look of Christianity and Islam …
Monday September 6th, 2010 @ 4:44pm
I already understand the Koran quite well: It’s a book filled with disgusting stories containing misogyny, violence, injustice, and others. I don’t have to read it to “understand” its illogical principles when it clearly shows that your prophet was a pedophile. What kind of moral person would do that? Especially even going as far as marrying a mere 6-year-old child? That is sick and disgusting. Ever wonder why we bash on
your prophet and your religion?
No, it’s enough for me, thank you very much. And as far as Christianity is concerned, I don’t give a fuck about that religion either.
…Duh?
Monday September 6th, 2010 @ 5:07pm
I lol’d
(I also hope I quoted this properly)
Tuesday September 7th, 2010 @ 10:32am
“you will be shocked and your boddy will shake…tears would come out of your eyes when you (Tatadabbar) completely understand Quraan”
And you think this is a healthy state of mind to be in?
It conjures up images of Pentecostal lunatics babbling in tongues and spasming on the ground while their faith healer punches them in the stomach.
Or a herd of orthodox Jews headbanging in front of the wailing wall.
Tuesday September 7th, 2010 @ 10:50am
i am a muslim and i am prod
and islam is the best
y u do that ?
did we do any thing 2 u
but u r the whi will lose not us
bye
Tuesday September 7th, 2010 @ 10:51am
proud **
Tuesday September 7th, 2010 @ 10:53am
u r the 1 who will lose **
Tuesday September 7th, 2010 @ 10:59am
Sudden influx of trolls? Whatup with that?
Tuesday September 7th, 2010 @ 11:06am
Probably someone posted this on a muslim blog or something..
Sunday September 12th, 2010 @ 4:46am
your mums the troll thats who
Sunday September 12th, 2010 @ 5:16pm
Please don’t spam.
Tuesday September 7th, 2010 @ 12:22pm
don’t blame Islam..they think that killing people and let women suffer is a good stuff.
we think that loving people and respecting women is a good stuff.Islam thinks that killing the Cartoonists because of their opinions is the way of God.we think that giving people freedom to express what they believe and think is the way of god.mohammed married 65 women one of them was 9 years old ( Aesha )and promised muslims to have 40 beautiful virgins in paradise to have endless sex with them.but jesus didn’t marry and promised us with holy spiritual live without marring.mohammed killed old woman by tying her legs with a horse from the left and another horse from the right and let the horses run and turned the woman into two pieces because she swear at him and said ugly words and the muslims say islam is the religion of peace..in the other hand jesus forgived the woman who did bad and say to her dont do it again.
so dont blam islam any sun is more because they think that sun is black they see just in black.we see the sun yellow and we dont blam them because of their overturned sight.
Tuesday September 7th, 2010 @ 12:29pm
You jesus-lovers really aren’t any better.
In fact I’d say you probably have more blood on your hands than the muslims do overall.
Friday September 17th, 2010 @ 10:00am
where is your proof that Muhummed (peace be upon him )married 65 women and that one of them was a nine years old girl
every single one of your statements are wrong wrong wrong
Friday September 17th, 2010 @ 10:02am
Where is your proof that Islam is the one true religion and that Allah exist?
Friday September 17th, 2010 @ 5:04pm
Here you go, proof that he was a pedophile.
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Friday September 17th, 2010 @ 5:05pm
https://irreligion.org/2010/09/10/muhammad-and-his-9-year-old-wife-aisha/
Tuesday September 7th, 2010 @ 12:25pm
Tuesday September 7th, 2010 @ 5:43pm
Time and time again, we have made it clear to all the Muslims in the comments panel of this post: WE ARE NOT CHRISTIANS AT ALL.
Thursday September 9th, 2010 @ 4:33am
of course you are not the most closest religion to islam is christianty they are the first people who helped muslims
Friday September 17th, 2010 @ 5:03pm
Even though according to your religion, they’ll burn in Hell with the Jews.
Wednesday September 8th, 2010 @ 9:32am
Shem on u! i read all and i don’t know as how those stupid brothers think.
please think as a human, we mankind differ from animals by thinking,
if u don’t believe just leave it. but u r z one who miss z true religion.
anyway alhamdulila i accept islam 6 month ago.
NB: before writing any thing please think critically!
i have a question. who is z terrorist? r u sure as those pls,those leaders who offense this practice, r not a terrorist!!
is it fair invading one sovereign country. there will be one day ………10q.
Wednesday September 8th, 2010 @ 10:38am
You don’t get to tell other people to think critically. You believe in a supernatural falsehood because you don’t understand the concept of suspending judgement. Until you get some formal training in critical thinking, I would advise you to avoid this website.
On a side note: Humans are animals.
Wednesday September 8th, 2010 @ 10:47am
Andre, how on earth were you able to make sense of what binking wrote?
On a side note, I watched the four horsemen on your recommendation. Very impressed.
I need to read some of Dennett’s work as his name often comes up in conversations with other atheists.
Wednesday September 8th, 2010 @ 11:06am
I’ve been awake for… uhh… 20 hours. Somehow it helps me read the crap some of these people type.
I need to rewatch that one myself, I chose a bad time when I first watched it and dozed off once or twice near the end. (Once again staying up for way too long)
Upon further investigation, I’m not sure if I understand what he said at all besides “humans are different from animals” (not even in those words) and “think critically”. As for everything from “i have a question” and on, I am really not quite sure what he’s saying, though I do have a few ideas as to what it might be.
Wednesday September 8th, 2010 @ 2:51pm
I think I deciphered a translation of this guy’s “joke”, except the punchline which makes absolutely no sense.
“Shame on you (atheists)! I read all (the comments on this page) and noticed that what you say conflicts with the core of my indoctrination. The only rational explanation is that I am right and you are all “stupid”
Conform to our line of thought, after all, we are obviously not mammals since they can’t “think”.
If you are not an obedient Muslim then you’re not allowed an opinion. You might not follow the one true religion but that’s your loss.
Thank god I converted to Islam. Oh yeah that was only 6 months ago so I have absolutely no idea what I’m talking about.
NB: “Think critically” before you reply to me!
Here comes some gibberish. Who is the terrorist? (REST UNINTELLIGIBLE)”
Wednesday September 8th, 2010 @ 4:12pm
“i have a question. who is z terrorist? r u sure as those pls,those leaders who offense this practice, r not a terrorist!!
is it fair invading one sovereign country. there will be one day ………10q.”
So word for word we have….
“I have a question. Who is the terrorist? Are you sure as those please, those leaders who offense this practice, are not a terrorist!! Is it fair invading one sovereign country. There will be one day …(thank-you?).”
As for “who is the terrorist” well, that’s a tricky one for either side to answer. For the Americans, the terrorist is in fact the islamic world at this point. American civilians were attacked. This is something we all know happened. For the Iraqis, the Afghanis, the Middle-East in general really, it’s the American military. The US bombed and destroyed so much of that area with what I would argue is not sufficient evidence/reason to attack. At most I could agree they had reason to counterattack Afghanistan, but even then the reasoning is a bit shaky. For many others on both sides, the terrorist is the media, shouting frightful stories at their viewers through the TV.
As for “Are you sure as those please, those leaders who offense this practice, are not a terrorist!!” well, I’m not sure what you’ve said here, as even after trying to move some words around or add some that may have been missing/remove extra ones, I can’t figure out what you’ve said. Maybe I’ve already answered it in my previous paragraph, who knows.
“Is it fair invading one sovereign country.” I assume you meant this as a question. Pro-tip: use a question mark on every question. An answer: There are many reasons given for invading another country. Some are seemingly legitimate, some are complete and utter bullshit. If I may base my response off of what is called “Just War Theory” then my answer would be as follows: The invasion of Afghanistan was legitimate, as it was a counterattack by the United States (based on public knowledge of the situation). The invasion of Iraq, however, was completely illegitimate, as Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks on the US, and no other reason was given for the invasion other than a “search for weapons of mass destruction.” While this search may sound legitimate to some, it is not legitimate by “Just War Theory” standards, especially considering there was no initial reason to even assume Iraq might have these weapons.
“There will be one day …(thank-you?).” There will be on day what? What will happen one day? Usually this kind of thing is followed by or follows a statement about something that will happen. I don’t get it.
Oh, and your welcome. Does this answer your questions?
Thursday September 9th, 2010 @ 4:20am
no andre ,humans are not animals they are better ,the only common thing between them that they are souls creatures
but there is no animal eat more than his need or spoil the environmental balance or invent new machines or have a dreams for control over the world or to be a President
animals have no mind this is big difference between animals and us
Friday September 17th, 2010 @ 10:02am
excuse me punk but correct me if im wrong in thinking that u are a atheist
Friday September 17th, 2010 @ 10:04am
Excuse me fuckhead, I’m an atheist.
Problem?
Friday September 17th, 2010 @ 5:25pm
Me? Yes, I am an Atheist. Thanks for asking!
Thursday September 9th, 2010 @ 4:56am
what do you understand by the word “peace”?
and in your opinion, what are pre-requisites for making this world a peaceful place to live???????
Thursday September 9th, 2010 @ 6:09am
there will be one day yes the Day of Judgement it is something can not be wrong can not be fake or will canceled it is so real and it will come and you will regret about every moment of your life
first you need something you need to see the light the truth i can
not help you you can help yourself if you realized the idea
in the name of allah
And if ye are in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto Our slave (Muhammad), then produce a sura or the like thereof, and call your witnesses beside Allah if ye are truthful. (23)
Those who break the covenant of Allah after ratifying it and sever that which Allah ordered to be joined, and (who) make mischief in the earth: Those are they who are the losers (27)
How disbelieve ye in Allah when ye were dead and He gave life to you! Then he will give you death, then life again, and then unto Him ye will return. (28)
But they who disbelieve, and deny our revelations, such are rightful owners of the Fire. They will abide therein. (39)
Confound not truth with falsehood, nor knowingly conceal the truth. (42)
Are they then unaware that Allah knoweth that which they keep hidden and that which they proclaim? (77)
from surat al baqarah
And when thou seest those who meddle with Our revelations, withdraw from them until they meddle with another topic. And if the devil cause thee to forget, sit not, after the remembrance, with the congregation of wrong doers. (68)
Revile not those unto whom they pray beside Allah lest they wrongfully revile Allah through ignorance. Thus unto every nation have We made their deed seem fair. Then unto their Lord is their return, and He will tell them what they used to do. (108)
from surat Al-An’am
Know they not that whoso opposeth Allah and His messenger, his portion verily is hell, to abide therein? That is the extreme abasement. (63)
The hypocrites fear lest a surah should be revealed concerning them, proclaiming what is in their hearts. Say: Scoff (your fill)! Lo! Allah is disclosing what ye fear. (64)
(Triumphant) are those who turn repentant (to Allah), those who serve (Him), those who praise (Him), those who fast, these who bow down, those who fall prostrate (in worship), those who enjoin the right and who forbid the wrong and those who keep the limits (ordained) of Allah And give glad tidings to believers! (112)
from surat At-Tauba
Well know We that thy bosom is at times oppressed by what they say, (97)
from surat Al-Hijr
if anyone of been muslim before?no, no one you did not try to pray sala it is beatiful feeling to be with god it is ease and comfort it is more diffrent than any thing else it is the thing that will change you to better it is something you will thank me about
you will make fun of my words and say that you do not need you do not want and i am wrong
i will not gain any thing from my words no body will buy for me
it is my conscience that make me comment
i am not force or ask you of any thing i am suggesting a way to answer your questions if you believe yourself there will be no problem with my words because in your opinion i am telling you bullshit and of course you have self confidence that make you try with no fear take it as challenge god forgive and god will give you al serat al mostaqeem the right way
and andre ideas about our exist is Come down from our level our
life have a meaning is for something
also all of us need god
Thursday September 9th, 2010 @ 7:32am
So we’re back to scripture again are we?
I must say you have built incredible defences around your faculty of reason.
Thursday September 9th, 2010 @ 7:35am
what do you mean? in english please
Thursday September 9th, 2010 @ 7:53am
FUCKING LOL’D!
Thursday September 9th, 2010 @ 8:17am
:-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P
Thursday September 9th, 2010 @ 8:23am
You misunderstand. I’m laughing at you, not with you.
Tuesday September 14th, 2010 @ 5:07pm
I am still laughing hard at muslim girl’s fail. Holy shit!
Thursday September 9th, 2010 @ 7:33am
Happy Feast :)Happy feast for all, wishing that Allah has forgiven all of our misdeeds, I really hope so..ya Rab
I Congratulate all Muslims, I’m going to visit my grandfather in the countryside so i will stay there for a week
best wishes
Thursday September 9th, 2010 @ 8:58am
“Happy feast for all, wishing that Allah has forgiven all of our misdeeds,”
Yeah sure, Eid Mubarak. A clean slate for everyone!
Sunday September 12th, 2010 @ 12:28am
http://www.rasoulallah.net
It Will take 5 minutes of your time to know the truth about Islam, and its respect to all Christians and Jews in particular, do not be a fanatic and enter if you are tolerant and want to install the true idea for you, know the difference between true Islam and those who claim Islam to terrorism.
A little note: Terrorism kills more Muslims than the other Is it logical to be Muslims.
http://www.rasoulallah.net
see this simple flash :
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/201/c/0/Because_he_is_a_muslim____by_Nayzak.swf
Sunday September 12th, 2010 @ 12:41am
I think we’ve been over this. Perhaps not these links in particular, but this has been done. Please stop repeating what others have tried and failed to do so many times already.
Sunday September 12th, 2010 @ 10:16pm
Hal, if you could, Im just curious….could you please give me some examples of the Qurans flaws, or violent teachings. I have never read the Quran, and i have developed a new curiousity regarding happenings in the middle east. I believe that knowing a little about these things is a good start. and you seem like an intellectually advanced being who can help me
Monday September 13th, 2010 @ 8:13am
“An intellectually advanced being”?
You either you pay me undue credit or this is a ruse to have me drop my guard, but since I don’t know you, I’ll protect my interests and not be suckered in by unwarranted flattery.
Besides, you don’t need me to point out lines of questionable morality in the quran. Turn to any page of your choosing and you will most likely find several examples of psychological intimidation or unverifiable supernatural claims.
If you truly don’t know anything about the quran then you should avoid getting into its specifics when debating Muslims.
They believe that the quran was literally written by god and dictated, word for word, by the angel Gabriel to an illiterate Mohammed over the course of 23 years.
Allah’s message is apparently far too deep and layered to translate perfectly into our simple human tongue, so not only would you need to understand the quran, but you also need various accompanying translations that claim to put it all into context.
So what we’re left with on the one hand is the quran (god’s word), and on the other is the tafsir (man’s translation and expansion on the quran).
Muslims will argue that to fully understand the big picture, then one must learn all of it.
What they refuse to admit, however, is that the tafsir was written after the quran in order to justify it retroactively.
For example, if you look on the previous comments page for this article, you’ll find someone called Hammad who kept insisting that the quran describes the big bang.
Turns out the one and only “relevant” line in the whole book simply says “we parted heaven from earth”.
I find it strange that such an important event would only get this single line from the almighty creator, leaving mankind to attempt to fill in its gaps, when the rest of the quran is so full of repetition of threats regarding an eternal damnation for all unbelievers.
Tuesday September 14th, 2010 @ 7:46am
just use your minds for one minutes, just think in a neutral way (I know it’s so hard for you to do so, especially with Islam, that’s because you hearts and your minds are filled with hatred and hostility )even though we are patient with you because we know that you are misguided by your media and your pops and your shallow and narrow knowledge about Islam.
But for sure, at the day of judgment you will know who was right and who was wrong. So think now to save you self from immortality in hell fire. you think this is to hard, no at all it’s so logic as we do exactly in this life (exams) success or fail, with life time period for exam.So, Please please please be truthful with yourself in looking for the TRUTH.
Tuesday September 14th, 2010 @ 3:23pm
I don’t make wagers with cheaters.
Tuesday September 14th, 2010 @ 5:02pm
Sorry, I don’t gamble.
Tuesday September 14th, 2010 @ 7:55am
by the way I wont reply. I just saw this page, and wanted to advice every one(as my God ordered me as a Muslim to give advice to every one, hopping that every one know the way of truth and relief .
Tuesday September 14th, 2010 @ 8:50am
Well thanks for your advice. I didn’t realise quite how misguided we are, or how misled we are by our western propaganda machine.
we’ll continue this conversation in hell on the day of judgement.
Wednesday September 15th, 2010 @ 7:22am
what do you understand by the word “peace”?
and in your opinion, what are pre-requisites for making this world a peaceful place to live???????
Wednesday September 15th, 2010 @ 12:01pm
How about we start by not killing people for trivial actions and work our way up from there?
Wednesday September 15th, 2010 @ 6:42pm
Dictionary.com’s definition of peace:
peace
/pis/ Show Spelled [pees] Show IPA noun, interjection, verb, peaced, peac·ing.
–noun
1.
the normal, nonwarring condition of a nation, group of nations, or the world.
2.
( often initial capital letter ) an agreement or treaty between warring or antagonistic nations, groups, etc., to end hostilities and abstain from further fighting or antagonism: the Peace of Ryswick.
3.
a state of mutual harmony between people or groups, esp. in personal relations: Try to live in peace with your neighbors.
4.
the normal freedom from civil commotion and violence of a community; public order and security: He was arrested for being drunk and disturbing the peace.
5.
cessation of or freedom from any strife or dissension.
6.
freedom of the mind from annoyance, distraction, anxiety, an obsession, etc.; tranquillity; serenity.
7.
a state of tranquillity or serenity: May he rest in peace.
8.
a state or condition conducive to, proceeding from, or characterized by tranquillity: the peace of a mountain resort.
9.
silence; stillness: The cawing of a crow broke the afternoon’s peace.
The Qur’an’s definition of peace:
# Don’t bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2:6
# Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 2:10
# A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24
# Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 2:39, 90
# “Guard yourselves against a day when no soul will in aught avail another, nor will intercession be accepted from it, nor will compensation be received from it, nor will they be helped.”
There will come a day when Allah will refuse all prayers and help no one. 2:48
# Allah brags about drowning the Egyptian army. 2:50
# “Whosoever hath done evil and his sin surroundeth him; such are rightful owners of the Fire.” 2:81
# If you believe in only part of the Scripture, you will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next. 2:85
# Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They’d like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell. 2:96
# For disbelievers is a painful doom. 2:104
# For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 2:114
# “And thou wilt not be asked about the owners of hell-fire.” (They are the non-muslims.) 2:119
# Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 2:126
# The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 2:162
# Allah is severe punishment! 2:165-6
# They will not emerge from the Fire. 2:167
# Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 2:174
# How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 2:175
# “Fight in the way of Allah.” 2:190, 2:244
# Believers must retaliate. Those who transgress will have a painful doom. 2:178
# Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don’t kill them.) 2:191-2
# “Guard us from the doom of Fire.” 2:201
# Those who fail in their duty to Allah are proud and sinful. They will all go to hell. 2:206
# War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216
# Those who die in their disbelief will burn forever in the Fire. 2:217
# Those who marry unbelievers will burn in the Fire. 2:221
# Disbelievers worship false gods. The will burn forever in the Fire. 2:257
# “Those who swallow usury … are rightful owners of the Fire.” 2:275
# Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 3:4
# Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 3:10
# Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 3:12
# “Guard us from the punishment of Fire.” 3:16
# Non-muslims will be punished by Allah for their nonbelief. 3:19
# Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 3:21
# “They [Christians and Jews] say: The Fire will not touch us save for a certain number of days. That which they used to invent hath deceived them regarding their religion.” (The Fire will burn them forever.) 3:24
# Theirs will be a painful doom. 3:77
# All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 3:85
# Apostates will be cursed by Allah, angels, and men. They will have a painful doom. 3:86-88
# Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 3:91
# “Ye were upon the brink of an abyss of fire, and He did save you from it.” 3:103
# Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 3:105-6
# Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 3:116
# The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 3:131
# We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 3:151
# If you die fighting for Allah, you’ll be rewarded in heaven. 3:157
# “Is one who followeth the pleasure of Allah as one who hath earned condemnation from Allah, whose habitation is the Fire?”
Unbelievers will burn forever in the Fire. 3:162
# “Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead.”
(Quoted by Osama bin Laden in his ‘letter to America’ regarding the 11 September 2001 attacks.) 3:169-171
# Theirs will be an awful doom. 3:176
# Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 3:177
# Disbelievers will have a shameful doom. 3:178
# Whoso is removed from the Fire and is made to enter paradise, he indeed is triumphant.” (The rest will burn forever in the Fire.) 3:185
# Those who brag about doing good will go to hell. 3:188
# “Preserve us from the doom of Fire.” 3:191
# “Our Lord! Whom Thou causest to enter the Fire: him indeed Thou hast confounded. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.” 3:192
# Those who die fighting for Allah will go to heaven. 3:195
# Disbelievers will go to Hell. 3:196
# Don’t steal from orphans (or Allah will burn you forever in hell). 4:10
# Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will be burnt with fire and suffer a painful doom. 4:14
# For the disbelievers and those who make a last-minute conversion, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:18
# “We shall cast him into Fire, and that is ever easy for Allah.” 4:30
# For disbelievers, We prepare a shameful doom. 4:37
# “Sanction is given unto those who fight because they have been wronged.”
Quoted by Osama bin Laden in his ‘letter to America’ as a justification for the 11 September 2001 attacks. 4:39
# Hell is sufficient for their burning. 4:55
# Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 4:56
# Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 4:74
# Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 4:76
# Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89
# If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91
# Believers who kill believers will face the awful doom of hell. 4:93
# “Their habitation will be hell, an evil journey’s end.” 4:97
# Those who oppose the messenger and become unbelievers will go to hell. 4:115
# Allah will lead them astray and they will go to hell. 4:119-121
# Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe and disbelieve again will never be forgiven by Allah. 4:137
# For the hypocrites there will be a painful doom. 4:138
# Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers into hell. 4:140
# The hypocrites will be in the lowest part of hell and no one will help them there. 4:145
# You must believe everything Allah and his messengers tell you. Those who don’t are disbelievers and will face a painful doom. 4:150-151
# For the wrongdoing Jews, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:160-1
# God will guide disbelievers down a road that leads to everlasting hell. 4:168-169
# If you don’t do good works, Allah will punish you with a painful doom. 4:173
# Those who deny Islam will be losers in the Hereafter. 5:5
# Disbelievers are the rightful owners of Hell. 5:10
# “The owners of the fire. That is the reward of evil-doers.” 5:29
# Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33
# Disbelievers will have a painful doom. 5:36
# Disbelievers will want to come out of the Fire, but will not. Their will be a lasting doom. 5:37
# Cut off the hands of thieves. It is an exemplary punishment from Allah. 5:38
# Allah makes some people sin. He will not cleanse their hearts. They will have ignominy in this world, and in the Hereafter an awful doom. 5:41
# Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, and tooth for tooth. 5:45
# Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72
# Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 5:73
# Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah. 5:80
# Disbelievers will be owners of hell-fire. 5:86
# Allah will test believers to see if they are afraid. Those who fail a second test will suffer a a painful doom. 5:94
# After agreeing to send down a table of food from heaven, Jesus warns his disciples that will catch holy hell if they ever stop believing. 5:115
# Those who deny the truth of Islam will be punished by Allah. 6:5
# “See the nature of the consequence for the rejecters!” 6:11
# Many generations have been destroyed by Allah. 6:6
# Disbelievers will say when they see the Fire that they would have believed if they had known the truth. But they are all liars. 6:27-28
# “Evil-doers flout the revelations of Allah.” 6:33
# Allah will torment those how deny his revelations. 6:49
# Those who disbelieve will be forced to drink boiling water, and will face a painful doom. 6:70
# When nonbelievers die, the angels will deliver to them doom and degradation. 6:93
# Allah allows some to disbelieve in the afterlife, and to take pleasure in their disbelief, so that he can torment them forever after they die. 6:113
# Allah chooses to lead some astray, and he lays ignominy on those who disbelieve. 6:125
# Allah will send everyone the Fire, except those he chooses to deliver. 6:128
# Let the idolaters kill their children. It is Allah’s will. 6:137
# The worst thing anyone can do is deny the revelations of Allah. Those who do so will be awared an evil doom. 6:157
# How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them. 7:4-5
# Allah banishes Iblis and promises to fill hell with those who are mislead by him. 7:18
# Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire. 7:36
# Entire nations have entered the Fire. Some get a double torment. 7:38
# “Taste the doom for what ye used to earn.” 7:39
# Disbelievers will be excluded from heaven. Theirs will be a bed of hell. 7:40-41
# Those in the fire will be taunted by those in the Garden. “So how’s it going down there? Are you enjoying the warmth of the Fire?” 7:44
# Those in the Garden will plead with Allah not to be cast into the Fire. 7:47
# Those in the Fire will cry out to those in heaven, saying: “Pour water on us.” But Allah has forbidden that to disbelievers. 7:50
# Allah drowned everyone on earth (except Noah and his family) because they disbelieved. 7:64
# Those who believe incorrectly will face the terror and wrath of Allah. 7:71
# “We cut the root of those who denied Our revelations and were not believers.” 7:72
# Allah killed the disbelievers with an earthquake. 7:78
# Allah killed everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah except Lot and his daughters.
7:83-84
# “So the earthquake seized them.”
Allah killed the disbelievers with an earthquake. 7:90-91
# “How can I sorrow for a people that rejected (truth)?”
Shu’eyb tells the Allah’s victims that they deserved to die for rejecting Islam. 7:93
# “Then We seized them unawares, when they perceived not.”
Unbelievers are never safe from Allah’s wrath. 7:95-99
# “We straitened Pharaoh’s folk with famine.”
Allah sent a famine on all of the Egyptians to punish Pharaoh. 7:130
# “So We sent against them the flood and the locusts and the vermin and the frogs and the blood – a succession of clear signs.” 7:133
# “We drowned them in the sea: because they denied Our revelations.” 7:136
# Those who worship the calf will suffer terror and humiliation from Allah. 7:152
# “But those of them who … changed the word … We sent down upon them wrath from heaven.” 7:162
# “Why preach ye to a folk whom Allah is about to destroy or punish with an awful doom?” 7:164
# “When they forgot that whereof they had been reminded, We … visited [them] with dreadful punishment.” 7:165
# Allah will punish the disbelieving Jews until the Day of Resurrection. 7:167
# Allah has already sent many people and jinn to hell. They were worse than cows: they couldn’t see or hear and were neglectful. 7:179
# “Allah … cut the root of the disbelievers.”
Allah destroyed the unbelievers. 8:7
# Allah will throw fear into the hearts of the disbelievers, and smite their necks and fingers. 8:12
# Disbelievers will be tormented in the Fire. 8:14
# When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell. 8:15-16
# Those that the Muslims killed were not really killed by them. It was Allah who did the killing. 8:17
# Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve. 8:35
# Those who disbelieve will be gathered into hell. 8:36
# “The wicked will He place piece upon piece, and heap them all together, and consign them unto hell.” 8:37
# The angels smite the face and backs of disbelievers, saying: “Taste the punishment of burning!” 8:50
# Don’t let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the enemy of Allah. 8:59-60
# Had it not been for an ordinance of Allah which had gone before, an awful doom had come upon you.” 8:68
# He [Allah] gave thee [Muhammad] power over them.”
Allah gave Muhammad slaves as war booty. 8:70-1
# Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve. 9:3
# Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 9:5
# Don’t let idolaters tend the sanctuaries. Their works are in vain and they will be burned in the Fire. 9:17
# “Count ye the slaking of a pilgrim’s thirst … as (equal to the worth of) him who believeth in Allah and the Last Day, and striveth in the way of Allah?”
Helping the poor is not as important as believing in Islam and fighting in holy wars. 9:19
# Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis. 9:34
# Those who are tormented in the Fire will have their foreheads and backs branded. 9:35
# If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom. 9:39
# Disbelievers go to hell. 9:49
# “Allah will afflict you with a doom from Him or at our hands.” 9:52
# Those who vex the Prophet, for them there is a painful doom. 9:60
# Those who oppose Allah and His messenger will burn in the fire of hell. 9:63
# Allah promises hypocrites and disbelievers the fire of hell. Allah curses them. They will have a lasting torment. 9:68
# Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway. 9:73
# Allah will afflict disbelievers with a painful doom in this world and the Hereafter. 9:74
# “Theirs will be a painful doom.” 9:79
# Those who refuse to give their wealth and lives to Allah will face the fire of hell. 9:81-83
# For disbelievers there will be a painful doom. 9:90
# Non-muslim who pretend to believe (so they won’t be killed by Muslims) are unclean and will go to hell. 9:95
# The unbelieving Arabs will be punished by Allah with an evil fortune. 9:97-98
# “We shall chastise them twice; then they will be relegated to a painful doom.” 9:101
# Those that ignore Allah will be thown into the fire of hell. 9:109
# Believers must fight for Allah. They must kill and be killed , and are bound to do so by the Torah, Gospel, and Quran. But Allah will reward them for it. 9:111
# Don’t pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire. 9:113
# Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 9:123
# Disbelievers will have a boiling drink and a painful doom. 10:4
# If you enjoy life and ignore Muhammad’s bullshit, Allah will torture you forever in the Fire after you die. 10:7-8
# Allah has destroyed entire generations. 10:13
# “Ignominy overtaketh them – They have no protector from Allah – as if their faces had been covered with a cloak of darkest night. Such are rightful owners of the Fire.” 10:27
# On the last day Allah will kill all the disbelievers (and then he will torture them forever in hell). 10:45
# “His doom cometh unto you as a raid by night.” 10:50
# The damned will feel remorse for what they have done, but it will not save them from the doom that Allah has prepared. 10:54
# Those who disbelieved will face a dreadful doom. 10:70
# Allah drowned those who disbelieved his revelations. 10:73
# Moses asked Allah to harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they would not believe until they saw the painful doom. 10:88
# If you deny the revelations of Allah, you will be among the losers and will “see the painful doom.” 10:95-97
# “The doom cannot be averted from them, and that which they derided will surround them.” 11:8
# Allah sent a lasting doom on those who mocked Noah. 11:39
# Allah will send a painful doom on several nations. 11:48
# “Lo! there cometh unto them a doom which cannot be repelled.” 11:76
# Allah killed everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah by dropping burning stones on them. 11:82-83
# Lo! Is fear for you the doom of a besetting Day.” 11:84
# “Ye will soon know on whom there cometh a doom that will abase him.” 11:93
# “He … will lead them to the Fire for watering-place.” 11:98
# “The doom of the Hereafter” 11:103
# Those in the Fire will suffer as long as the heavens and earth endure. 11:106-7
# “Incline not toward those who do wrong lest the Fire touch you.” 11:113
# Allah will fill hell with humans and jinn. 11:119
# Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire 13:5
# Those who do not answer Allah’s call will go to hell. 13:18
# Allah leads disbelievers astry while he torments them in this life. Then afterh they die, he makes them uffer even more pain in the doom of the Hereafter. 13:33-34
# The reward for disbelievers is the Fire. 13:35
# “When Allah doometh there is none that can postpone His doom.” 13:41
# Woe unto the disbelievers. Theirs will be an awful doom. 14:2
# Those who are in hell will be forced to drink festering water which they can hardly swallow. They will want to die, but they will not be able to. Theirs is a harsh doom. 14:16-17
# There is no escape from Allah’s doom. 14:21
# “Lo! for wrong-doers is a painful doom.” 14:22
# Allah leads wrong-doers astray and then sends them to hell. 14:27-29
# “They set up rivals to Allah that they may mislead (men) from His way. Say: Enjoy life (while ye may) for lo! your journey’s end will be the Fire.” 14:30
# “Warn mankind of a day when the doom will come upon them.” 14:44
# Those in hell will be chained together. Their clothing will be made of pitch and fire will cover their faces. 14:49-50
# Iblis will lead humans astray. Only perfect Muslims will be safe from him. The rest will go to hell. 15:39-43
# Allah’s doom is a dolorous doom. 15:50
# Allah made a roof fall in to kill unbelievers. “And the doom came on them whence they knew not.” 16:26
# Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever. 16:27-29
# Allah “will cause the earth to swallow” those who plan ill-deeds. the doom will come on them when they least expect it. 16:45
# Theirs will be the Fire, and they will be abandoned.” 16:62
# “Theirs will be a painful doom.” 16:63
# “The Hour of Doom is but a twinkling of the eye.” 16:77
# “When those who did wrong behold the doom, it will not be made light for them.” 16:85
# Allah will add doom to doom for those who disbelieve. 16:88
# Those who oppose Islam will face an awful doom. 16:94
# Disbelievers will have a painful doom. 16:104
# Those who loose their faith in Islam will face an awful doom. Allah’s wrath is upon them. 16:106
# Those who invent lies against Allah will have a painful doom. 16:116-7
# Allah made hell to be a dungeon for disbelievers. 17:8
# Allah has prepared a painful doom for those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 17:10
# Allah destroyed entire towns. 17:16
# How many generations Allah has destroyed since Noah! 17:17
# Allah intends to burn people in hell. 17:18
# “Set not up with Allah any other god, lest thou be cast into hell.” 17:39
# “Lo! the doom of thy Lord is to be shunned.” 17:57
# Allah will destroy every town before the Day of Resurrection. 17:58
# Whoever follows Iblis will be cast into hell. 17:63
# Allah will send disbelievers astray. Then he’ll burn them in hell, increasing the flames from time to time. 17:97-98
# Allah has prepared a Fire for the disbelievers. When they want a shower, Allah will give them a shower of molten lead to burn their faces. 18:29
# Christians will cry out to Allah’s “partners”, but they won’t hear them; Allah will send them to their doom. 18:52
# Those who are condemned to the Fire know they will have no way to escape. 18:53
# Nothing prevents non-muslims from believing in Islam. So it’s their own fault when they are sent to their doom. 18:55
# There is an appointed time in which the doomed will find no escape. 18:58
# Allah has destroyed many towns. 18:59
# On a certain day, Allah will present hell, in plain view, to the disbelievers. 18:100
# Allah will welcome the disbelievers into hell. 18:102
# The good works of disbelievers are all in vain. They will go to hell anyway. 18:104-105
# Hell is the reward for disbelievers because they made a jest of Allah’s revelations and messengers. 18:106
# “Woe unto the disbelievers from the meeting of an awful Day.”
Jesus was not the Son of God. Those who say he was (Christians) are going to hell. 19:35-37
# Allah will pluck out from every sect those who should burn in hell. 19:69-70
# “How many a generation have We destroyed before them?”
Allah brags about destroying entire generations. 19:74
# Allah will prolong the lives of non-believers so they can see their punishment, either in this world or in the Hour of doom. 19:75
# Allah will record what disbelievers say and then prolong their torment. 19:77-79
# Allah has sent the devils on the disbelievers to confuse them. 19:83
# Allah will “drive the guilty unto hell, a weary herd.” 19:86
# Allah has destroyed many generations. 19:98
# Allah destroyed entire towns, yet the people still disbelieved. 20:6
# The people cried out for mercy, but Allah killed them anyway. 20:15
# Lo! it hath been revealed unto us that the doom will be for him who denieth and turneth away.” 20:48
# “There [in hell] he will neither die nor live.” 20:74
# Those who do not believe Allah’s revelations will face doom in the Hereafter. 20:127
# Allah has destroyed many generations. 20:128
# Allah destroyed entire towns, yet the people still disbelieved. 21:6
# “And one of them who should say: Lo! I am a god beside Him, that one We should repay with hell.” 21:29
# Disbelievers will not be able to put out the fire on their faces and backs. They will be stupefied and no one will help them. 21:39-40
# “Fear the Lord … and dread the Hour of doom.” 21:49
# Every person alive at the time of the flood was evil. So Allah drowned them all. 21:77
# The disbelievers will stare in terror at what Allah has in store for them. 21:97-99
# When the doom of Allah comes, pregnant women will suffer miscarriages, and men will act like they are drunk. 22:1-2
# The devil will guide some to the punishment of the Flame. 22:3-4
# Those who turn from the way of Allah will face ignominy in this world and burning in the next. 22:9
# Whoever thinks that Allah will not give Muhammad victory should go hang himself. 22:15
# “There are many unto whom the doom is justly due. Allah doeth what he will.” 22:18
# Disbelievers will wear garments of fire, boiling fluid will be poured on their heads, their bellies and skin will be melted, they will be tormented with iron hooks, and when they try to escape they will be driven back with the taunt: Taste the doom of burning. 22:19-22
# Allah will provide the disbelievers with a painful doom. 22:25
# How many towns Allah has destroyed! 22:45
# “They will bid thee hasten on the Doom.” 22:47
# Those who disregard Allah’s revelations are the owners of the Fire. 22:51
# “Those who disbelieve will not cease to be in doubt thereof until the Hour come upon them unawares, or there come unto them the doom of a disastrous day.” 22:55
# Those who disbelieve Allah’s revelations will have a shameful doom. 22:57
# Those who disbelieve Allah’s revelations will burn in the Fire. 22:72
# Allah told Noah not to bother pleading for the people he was about to drown. 23:27
# Those who don’t believe in the Hereafter will receive extreme punishment from Allah. 23:74-77
# “Those whose scales are light are those who lose their souls, in hell abiding.” 23:103
# When fire burns their faces, they will be glum. 23:104
# Scourge adulterers and adulteresses with 100 stripes. Do not show them any pity. Have a party of believers watch the punishment. 24:2
# Those who spread slander will face an awful doom. 24:11
# Those who murmur will face an awful doom. 24:14
# Those who traduce virtuous, believing women … cursed are they in the world and the Hereafter. Theirs will be an awful doom.” 24:23
# Disbelievers will never escape the Fire that will be their home. 24:57
# Those who deny the coming of the Hour will be chained together and burned with fire. They will pray for their own destruction. 25:11-13
# Allah will force the evil-doers to taste great torment. 25:19
# It will be a hard day for disbelievers and wrong-doers. They will gnaw on their hands and wish they had chosen Islam. 25:26-27
# “Those who will be gathered on their faces unto hell” 25:34
# Those who deny Muhammad’s revelations will be destroyed. 25:36
# Allah drowned everyone in the flood of Noah, and has prepared a painful doom for evil-doers. 25:37
# “They [the non-muslims] will know, when they behold the doom, who is more astray as to the road.” 25:42
# “The doom of hell; lo! the doom thereof is anguish.” 25:65
# Those who cry out to another god with Allah will be tormented doubly in hell. 25:68-69
# “Hell will appear plainly to the erring.” 26:91
# Allah killed those that ignored Hud’s warnings. 26:124-139
# Allah destroyed the people in Lot’s town with a dreadful rain. 26:172-3
# Many will not believe until they see the painful doom. 26:201
# Those who believe in another god are doomed. 26:213
# Allah leads those who do not believe in the Hereafter astray by making things work out OK in this life, so that he can torment them forever in the next. They will get the worst punishment and will be the greatest losers. 27:4-5
# “Allah destroyed them and their people, every one.” 27:51
# Allah sent a dreadful rain on “those who stayed behind.” 27:58
# Whoever does something wrong will be thrown into the Fire. 27:90
# “We made them (evil-doers) patterns that invite unto the Fire, and on the Day of Resurrection they will not be helped.” 28:40-42
# Allah has completely destroyed many communities. 28:58
# Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined? 28:62-64
# Allah caused the earth to swallow Korah. 28:79-81
# Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah have no hope of mercy. For such there is a painful doom. 29:23
# “Ye have chosen only idols instead of Allah … on the Day of Resurrection ye will deny each other and curse each other, and your abode will be the Fire, and ye will have no helpers.” 29:25
# “Bring Allah’s doom upon us.” 29:29
# The doom of hell will come upon disbelievers suddenly, when they least expect it. 29:53-55
# The worst thing you can do is tell a lie about Allah. Hell is the home of disbelievers. 29:68
# Allah seals the heart of disbelievers. (And then he burns them in the Fire.) 30:59
# Those who mislead others from Allah’s way and mock Islam will have a painful doom. 31:6-7
# Allah will give disbelievers a little comfort for a little while, and then he’ll torment them forever with a heavy doom. 31:23-24
# Allah will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together. 32:13
# Allah: Taste the doom of immortality because of what ye used to do. 32:14
# Those who used to deny the Fire will be tormented in it forever. 32:20
# The worst thing you can do is to deny the revelations of Allah. 32:22
# He hath prepared a painful doom for the unfaithful.” 33:8
# Allah cast panic into the hearts of the disbelievers. He killed some, and enslaved others. 33:25-26
# Those who oppose Islam will be slain with a fierce slaughter. 33:60-61
# Allah has cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a flaming fire, wherein they will abide forever. 33:64-65
# The disbelievers will be burned in the Fire with a double torment. 33:66-68
# Those who challenge the revelations of Muhammad will have a painful doom. 34:5
# Those who disbelieve in the Hereafter will be tormented. 34:8
# But some of the jinn Allah burned with flaming Fire. 34:12
# “They are filled with remorse when they behold the doom; and We place carcans on the necks of those who disbelieved.” 34:33
# Those who strive against Allah’s revelations will be brought to the doom. 34:38
# Those who worshipped the jinn will taste the doom of the Fire. 34:41
# Those who ignore Allah’s messenger (Muhammed) will face a terrific doom. 34:46
# Those who are cast into hell be terrified when they see that they have no escape. Then they will believe. But it will be too late. 34:51-52
# The devil is real. He and his followers will burn forever in the Fire. 35:6
# Those who disbelieve will have an awful doom. 35:7
# “Those who plot iniquities … will have an awful doom.” 35:10
# Disbelievers will burn forever in the fire of hell. Allah will keep them alive so that he can torture them forever. When they repent and ask for mercy, he will ignore them. 35:36-7
# Allah has blinded the disbelievers so that they cannot see the truth. So it don’t bother warning them. They will go to hell anyway. 36:8-10
# Allah has destroyed many entire generations. 36:31
# If Allah feels like it, he will drown everyone. 36:43
# Allah will burn the disbelievers in hell. 36:63-4
# Those who “did wrong” will go to hell, and their wives will go to hell with them (no matter how they behaved). 37:22-23
# Those who refuse to believe in Muhammad’s revelations will face a painful doom. 37:31-38
# “Then looketh he and seeth him in the depth of hell.” 37:55
# If you’re not favored by Allah, you’re doomed. 37:57
# Those in hell must eat from a tree with the heads of devils, and then drink boiling water. After that they return to hell. 37:62-68
# Allah drowned everyone except Noah and his family in the flood. 37:82
# Allah tells Abraham in a dream to sacrifice his son. (But is the son Ishmael or Isaac?) 37:102
# Only the “single-minded slaves of Allah” will be saved from the doom. 37:127-8
# Allah killed everyone in Sodom except for Lot and his family. 37:136
# No one is against Allah, except those who burn in hell. 37:162-3
# Just wait a while and watch. The unbelievers will soon be destroyed in the doom. 37:176-9
# Allah has destroyed many generations. 38:3
# Those who doubt will soon taste Allah’s doom. 38:8
# Those who deny the messengers deserve doom. 38:14
# Those who wander from the way of Allah will have an awful doom. 38:26
# Those who disbelieve will burn in the Fire. 38:27
# David slashed their legs and necks (with Allah’s approval). 38:33
# The transgressors will roast in the Fire and be forced to drink boiling liquids followed by ice cold drinks. 38:55-9
# “Whoever did prepare this for us, oh, give him double portion of the Fire!” 38:61
# Iblis asks Allah to let him hang around and mislead humans. Allah allows him to do so, and Iblis leads all humans to hell except for the single-minded slaves. Allah agrees, and plans to fill hell with Iblis and his followers. 38:79-85
# Tell the disbelievers to enjoy themselves now, because later they will be owners of the Fire. 39:8
# Those who disobey Allah should fear his doom. 39:13
# The losers will be those who lose themselves and their families on the Day of Resurrection. They will be surrounded by fire. 39:15-16
# No one will be able to help those that Allah torments in the Fire. 39:19
# “Wrong-doers” will be taunted while suffering in an “awful doom.” 39:24
# The doom will come upon those who deny what Allah has revealed. 39:25
# Allah will make non-believers “taste humiliation in the life of the world” and ” the doom of the Hereafter” which will be even worse. 39:26
# The worst thing you can do is tell a lie against Allah. The home of disbelievers is hell. 39:32
# “On whom there falleth everlasting doom.” 39:40
# “They … will seek to ransom themselves … from the awful doom.” 39:47
# Surrender to Allah before he sends the doom upon you suddenly. 39:54-55
# Disbelievers had their chance to believe. They will all suffer in an endless doom. 39:56-59
# Those who lie about Allah will be sent to hell and will have their faces blackened. 39:60
# Those who disbelieve will be driven into hell. 39:71-72
# Allah sent an awful punishment at the time of Noah. 40:5
# Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 40:6
# When the doom comes, the hearts of the doomed will choke in their throats, and no one will help them. 40:18
# Those who ignore Allah’s “clear proofs” will be seized and punished severely. 40:22
# Disbelievers will burn forever in the Fire. 41:41-42
# The prodigals will be owners of the Fire. 40:43
# “A dreadful doom encompassed Pharaoh’s folk.” 40:45
# The doomed will be exposed to the Fire morning and evening. 40:46
# While burning in the Fire, they argue about who is to blame. 40:47
# Those in hell will beg to be relieved from the Fire’s torment for just a day. But the prayer of a disbeliever is in vain. 40:49-50
# Those who bicker about Allah’s revelations are filled with pride. 40:56
# Those who scorn Allah will go to hell. 40:60
# Those who deny the revelations of Allah are perverted. 40:63
# Those who deny the Scripture and Allah’s messengers will be dragged through boiling water and thrust into the Fire. 40:70-72
# Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are all my parnters that you used to believe in? 40:73
# Thus does Allah send astray the disbelievers (in his guidance). 40:74
# Those who scorn will go to hell. 40:76
# When they see Allah’s doom they will believe in Allah. But their faith will not save them. The disbelievers will be ruined. 40:84-85
# Allah will make life miserable for those who deny his revelations and then he will torment them forever in the Hereafter. And they will not be helped. 41:15-16
# “The doom of humiliation overtook them because of what they used to earn.” 41:17
# The enemies of Allah will be gathered into the Fire where their skin, ears, and eyes will testify against them. 41:19-20
# Non-muslims will be tormented forever in the Fire. Allah will not have any mercy on them. 41:24
# Allah will make those who disbelieve taste an awful doom. Their immortal home will be the Fire, since they denied Allah’s revelations. 41:27-28
# “Lo! those who distort Our revelations are not hid from Us. Is he who is hurled into the Fire better?” 41:40
# Those who disbelieve will taste hard punishment. 41:50
# While some lounge in the Garden, others will roast in the Flame. 42:7
# Those who argue about Allah will have his wrath upon them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 42:16
# For wrong-doers there is a painful doom. 42:21
# “And as for disbelievers, theirs will be an awful doom.” 42:26
# Allah sometimes kills people for misbehaving. 42:34
# “For such there is a painful doom.” 42:42
# Allah sends some people astray and then punishes them for it by burning them in the Fire. 42:44-46
# “And thou wilt see them exposed to (the Fire), made humble by disgrace.” 42:45
# Those who turn people away from Islam will “be sharers in the doom.” 43:37-39
# When the Egyptians angered Allah, he drowned them all. 43:55
# Those who argue and do wrong will have a painful doom that will come upon them suddenly. 43:65-66
# The guilty are tormented forever in hell. Allah will not relax their punishment. 43:74-75
# “But they will come to know.”
Allah will torment disbelievers forever in hell. 43:88-89
# Those in torment will claim to believe and ask Allah for relief. But he will refuse since they will return to their disbelief. 44:11-16
# Those in hell must eat from a tree like molten brass that burns their bellies. Then boiling water will be poured on their heads. 44:43-48
# “He hath saved them [Muslims] from the doom of hell.”
(Everyone else is going to hell.) 44:56
# Those who hear and reject Allah’s revelations are sinful liars. Give them tidings of a painful doom. 45:7-8
# Those who joke about Allah’s revelations will go to hell. Theirs will be a shameful doom. 45:9-10
# Those who disbelieve in Allah’s revelations will have an awful doom of wrath. 45:11
# “Your habitation is the Fire, and there is none to help you.” 45:34
# Disbelievers will be rewarded with the ignominious doom of the Fire. 46:20
# Serve only Allah or face the doom of a tremendous day. 46:21
# The guilty will face a wind with a painful torment. 46:25
# Allah has destroyed entire towns. 46:27
# If you believe Muhammed, Allah will forgive some of your sins and protect you from the painful doom (that he plans to torture everyone else with). 46:31
# Allah will taunt the disbelievers that he torments in the fire, saying: “Taste the doom for that ye disbelieved.” 46:34
# Smite the necks of the disbelievers whenever you fight against them. Those who die fighting for Allah will be rewarded. 47:4
# Allah will damn the disbelievers and make all their actions fruitless. 47:8-9
# Disbelievers may eat and be happy now, but the Fire will be their final home. 47:12
# Those in the Garden will drink delicious wine, while those in the Fire will drink boiling water that will tear apart their intestines. 47:15
# Allah curses people by making them deaf and blind. 47:23
# Angels will gather them together and smite their faces and backs. 47:27
# Those who think an evil thought concerning Allah will be cursed and sent to hell by him. 48:6
# Allah has prepared a flame for the disbelievers. 48:13
# If you refuse to fight for Allah, he will punish you with a painful doom. 48:16
# “Whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom.” 48:17
# But if you’re willing to fight for Allah, he will provide you with lots of booty. 48:19-20
# Allah punished those who disbelieved with a painful punishment. 48:25
# Those with Muhammad are ruthless toward disbelievers and merciful toward themselves. 48:29
# Allah will hurl those who believe in another god into a dreadful doom. 50:26
# “We say unto hell: Art thou filled? and it saith: Can there be more to come?”
Allah talks to hell about it’s occupancy level. 50:30
# Allah has destroyed many entire generations. 50:36
# Accursed are the conjecturers who ask: When is the Day of Judgment? It is the day they will be tormented by the Fire. 51:10-14
# “We left behind therein a portent for those who fear a painful doom.” 51:37
# Lo! the doom of thy Lord will surely come to pass.” 52:7
# Those who deny the existence of hell will be thrust into its Fire. 52:11-16
# “Their Lord hath warded off from them the torment of hell-fire.”
(Everyone else is going to hell — and the believers are all okay with that.) 52:18
# “Allah hath been gracious unto us and hath preserved us from the torment of the breath of Fire.” 52:27
# Allah sent a storm of stones on Lot’s folk, killing all but Lot’s family. 54:34
# The suffering in hell will be more wretched and bitter than anything experienced on earth. 54:46-48
# Allah destroyed many people, but does anyone remember anymore? 54:51
# “There will be sent, against you both, heat of fire and flash of brass, and ye will not escape.” 55:35
# The guilty deny hell. But after they die they go circling between it and fierce, boiling water. 55:43-44
# But those on his left hand will face scorching wind, scalding water, and black smoke. 56:42-43
# Those who deny Allah and the Hereafter will eat from the Zaqqum tree and drink boiling water. 56:51-54
# Allah will welcome the rejecters and erring with boiling water and a roasting in the hell fire. 56:92-94
# Those who disbelieve or doubt the revelations of Allah will be face the doom. 57:13-14
# The home of disbelievers is the Fire, a hapless journey’s end. 57:15
# Those who disbelieve and deny Allah’s revelations are the owners of the fire. 57:19
# For disbelievers is a painful doom. 58:4
# For disbelievers is a shameful doom. 58:5
# Those who disobey Muhammed will go to hell. 58:8
# Don’t make friends with Allah’s enemies. For those who do so, Allah has prepared a dreadful doom. 58:14-15
# Those who turn others away from the way of Allah will have a shameful doom. They are rightful owners of the Fire. 58:16-17
# Allah cast fear into the hearts of the disbelieving People of the Scripture. Their home in the Hereafter will be the Fire. 59:2-3
# The disbelievers fear the believers more than Allah. 59:13
# The devil and disbelievers will be in the Fire. 59:16-17
# Allah loves those who fight for him. 61:4
# “O ye who believe! Shall I show you a commerce that will save you from a painful doom?” 61:10
# Those who disbelieve will have a painful doom. 64:5
# Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 64:10
# The fuel of the Fire is men and stones. 66:6
# Be stern with disbelievers. They are going to Hell anyway. 66:9
# Allah has prepared for the devils a doom of flame. 67:5
# Disbelievers will go to hell where they will hear its roaring and boiling. 67:6-7
# Who will protect the disbelievers from a painful doom? (Nobody) 67:28
# Those who consider the Quran to be “mere fables” will be branded on the nose.68:15-16
# Those who do not believe in Allah will be chained up and cast into hell-fire where they will eat filth. 69:30-35
# “Lo! it is the fire of hell Eager to roast.” 70:15
# Doom is about to fall on all disbelievers. Only worshippers (Muslims) and those who preserve their chastity (except with their wives and slave girls) will be spared from “the fires of hell” that are “eagar to roast.” 70:1-30
# “Lo! the doom of their Lord is that before which none can feel secure” (except for maybe those who are fearful of it). 70:27-28
# Disbelievers will enter hell with frantic with fear, knowing they will be tortured forever by Allah. 70:36, 44
# Allah sent Noah to warn people about the painful doom he was planning to send. (It didn’t work out well; Allah sent it anyway.) 71:1
# Those that Allah drowned in Noah’s flood were then tortured forever in the Fire. 71:25
# Noah asked Allah to drown all the disbelievers. 71:26
# The fires of hell will be fueled with the bodies of idolators and unbelievers. They will experience an ever-greater torment. 72:15-17
# Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will dwell forever in the fire of hell. 72:23
# The fires of hell will be fueled with the bodies of idolators and unbelievers. They will experience an ever-greater torment. 72:15-17
# Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will dwell forever in the fire of hell. 72:23
# Allah will take care of the deniers. He will tie them up, burn them in a raging fire, and feed them food that chokes them. 73:11-13
# The last day will be a day of anguish for disbelievers. 74:9-10
# Those who are stubborn to Allah’s revelations will face a fearful doom. 74:16-17
# The fire of hell shrivels humans and spares nothing. 74:27-29
# Allah has appointed angels to tend the Fire and has prepared stumbling blocks for those who disbelieve. He sends some people (whoever he wants) astray. 74:31
# Those who pay attention to this life and ignore the Hereafter will suffer forever in hell. 75:20-29
# The doom is coming soon. 75:35
# Allah has prepared chains, manacles, and a raging fire for the disbelievers. 76:4
# Allah has prepared a painful doom for evil-doers. 76:31
# Allah destroyed “the former folk.” 77:16
# Woe unto the repudiators on that day! 77:19, 77:24, 77:28, 77:34, 77:40, 77:45, 77:49
# Depart unto that doom which ye used to deny.” 77:29
# Those who deny the revelations given to Muhammed will burn forever in hell. 78:21-30
# “Lo! We warn you of a doom at hand, a day whereon a man will look on that which his own hands have sent before, and the disbeliever will cry: ‘Would that I were dust!'” 78:40
# Those who rebel by choosing this life over the next will go to hell. 79:37-39
# The wicked will burn in hell forever. 82:14-16
# Those who reject Allah’s revelations will burn in hell. 83:10-17
# The disbelievers used to laugh at the believers. But the final laugh will be on them. 83:29-36
# Some folks will be thrown into a scorching fire. 84:11-12
# Disbelievers will be given a painful doom. 84:22-24
# “(Self-)destroyed were the owners of the ditch Of the fuel-fed fire.” 85:4-5
# Those who persecute Muslims, without repenting, will burn in hell. 85:10
# Those who are flung into the great Fire will neither live nor die. 87:12-13
# On that day many will be sad and weary. Scorched by the fire, drinking boiling water, with only bitter thorn-fruit to eat. 88:2-7
# Allah will punish disbelievers with the direst punishment. 88:23-24
# Allah poured the disaster of His punishment upon those who rebelled against him. 89:11-13
# Those who disbelieve Allah’s revelations will have the Fire placed over them like an awning. 90:19-20
# “Allah doomed them for their sin” and burned their houses. 91:14
# Those who deny Allah’s revelations must endure the flaming fire. 92:14-16
# Allah will grab those who deny His guidance by the forelock and call the guards of hell. 96:13-18
# Those who disbelieve will abide in the fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings. 98:6
# What is the Calamity? It is a day when dead people’s bodies will be scattered like moths, consumed in a raging fire. 101:1-11
# Allah will show humans hellfire and then he will ask them about pleasure. 102:5-7
# Some rich folks will be flung into the Consuming One, the fire of Allah. 104:4-6
# Abu Lahab will die and be plunged in flaming Fire. His wife will have on her neck a halter of palm fiber. 111:1-5
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 2:26pm
you are taking theses out of context!!! there are bettr explanations in the quran for these “evil” things you cite
greenworld you are a loser and i hope you go to hell
Thursday September 16th, 2010 @ 6:28am
*Greenworld*
If you believe to God, to Islam, why did you write it?
If you don’t believe, then if it will be true what Islam says, (which will be), then it is what they deserved, the fire. Because they deny their Creator.
If my worker won’t listen to me, I will may punish him. Also God, if his creatures don’t want to listen to Him, then He will punish them, as a result they (people) worked.
One thing more, God doesn’t make injustice. If you make bad things, then God may punish you, but if you didn’t make bad deeds, then don’t be scared. If you are sincere.
Thursday September 16th, 2010 @ 9:11am
“If you don’t believe, then if it will be true what Islam says, (which will be), then it is what they deserved, the fire. Because they deny their Creator.”
Yeah but it’s not true. That’s why we don’t fear your vision of hell.
Also, your analogy regarding punishing your workers is unbalanced since you don’t kill your employees if they disobey a direct order.
Allah’s apparent authority was conveyed indirectly through an illiterate man who was empowered by the obedient herd that followed him and believed his every word.
The threat of everlasting torment is just a primitive mechanism for intimidating followers so that they remain in their boxes of fear. This way the shepherd can ensure the followers take a big step towards unquestioning loyalty.
Thursday September 16th, 2010 @ 7:56pm
What an incredibly stupid analogy. There’s a huge difference between slashing someone’s throat with a sword for disagreeing with your views and an employer simply dismissing a worker from the job — can you tell me which of these two is more violent and evil than the other? I could never respect anyone who threatens violence or suffering to those who disagree; if you don’t respect people like that, yet you worship a deity as vicious as Allah, then I think you should go and seek psychotherapy.
Also, when did I ever say I believe in Islam? I was just pointing out the so-called “peacefulness” (as defined by the religion which your pedophile Prophet established). Apparently, Allah loves the shedding of blood, and it’s evident there’s so much violence in the Qur’an. I guess that’s why the extremists are so devoted to their beliefs; they’d go as far as strapping bombs to their bodies and blowing themselves up where many people — innocent ones, especially — dwell, just because they have different social views than the extremists. So much for a “peaceful religion,” huh?
Rather, I’d wager that Islam is a religion of (dead body) PIECES — one “peace” here, and another “peace” there. At least, if there’s one thing I can actually agree with you Muslims, it’s that there’s really no such thing as “Radical Islam” (and there never was), because it’s a very redundant thing to say.
P.S. To any Christian reading this and slamming Islam for being evil (yet telling others to praise Yahweh/Jesus instead): Get a mirror.
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 2:25pm
HOW DARE YOU OFFEND!!!….. allah will punish you for your disgust.
Saturday September 18th, 2010 @ 11:54am
la vérité de l’islam ici http://www.sprword.com/videos/trueislam/
Poursuite le filme à la fin svp
Saturday September 18th, 2010 @ 2:18pm
Yeah I stopped watching after they equated muslims to people who denied the flatness of the Earth. Go take a history lesson, this film is a joke.
Saturday September 18th, 2010 @ 4:19pm
I sat through the whole video. What horseshit.
Everyone interviewed has the promotion of Islam at the top of their agenda. This annuls the illusion of neutrality (for those who expected neutrality).
Alleged misconceptions about Islam are briefly touched upon but poorly rebuffed, if at all.
The troubling elements of Islam are dismissed as wildly inaccurate or exaggerated by western media (an excuse we’ve all heard numerous times).
Carefully selected excerpts from the quran are used to convey a message of peace and equality whereas the numerous threats and detailed punishments are omitted from the video.
There was a brief mention of the virtue of attempting to emulate Mohammed’s life as he is said to be the perfect example to live by, but they deliberately sidestepped the issues of his polygamy, his prepubescent wife (or 2), his warmongering and his indulgence in the spoils of war.
Saturday September 18th, 2010 @ 6:24pm
Can’t say I’m surprised by any of this. What does surprise me, however, is that you actually had the patience to sit through that crap. Props.
Saturday September 18th, 2010 @ 7:45pm
Thanks Andre, I only stuck with it to see if it pushes the limits of my tolerance for bullshit.
It didn’t offer any argument I hadn’t heard before but I’m still happy to pick holes in it.
Friday September 24th, 2010 @ 2:52pm
This is what caught my eye
(Turns out the one and only “relevant” line in the whole book simply says “we parted heaven from earth”.
I find it strange that such an important event would only get this single line from the almighty creator, leaving mankind to attempt to fill in its gaps, when the rest of the quran is so full of repetition of threats regarding an eternal damnation for all unbelievers.
Allah’s apparent authority was conveyed indirectly through an illiterate man who was empowered by the obedient herd that followed him and believed his every word.
The threat of everlasting torment is just a primitive mechanism for intimidating followers so that they remain in their boxes of fear. This way the shepherd can ensure the followers take a big step towards unquestioning loyalty.
Mohammed’s life as he is said to be the perfect example to live by, but they deliberately sidestepped the issues of his polygamy, his prepubescent wife (or 2), his warmongering and his indulgence in the spoils of war)
The example of the manager and the employee the Similarities arent many but some
if we thinked Quietly in islam
we will find that God gave us everything began with our life our soul and creation for nothing God did not take from us anything in the return in the other side your manager gave you salary for your work and if you did not work he will take his gift so you do not Condemns to your manager. you Condemns to your God WITH Worship
The character of allah in islam is the God of hearts forgive our misdeeds if we did not want it to be so normally The principle of hell and paradise be our choice
like people who do and people who do not are not equal
supose with me that islam is the truth so what did you do to be in paradise? islam is two parts the first is about your mind your believe in Allah exist your heart comfort with his order and the other is about worship your God with the his ways
Also, i want to explain that the prophet (PBUH) was shy man (rure)
In my opinion his Manners makes from him an angel he never been violent with any of his wives he never hurt them not with his tongue or his body
he respected them thier minds ,opinion thier rights
he was the right example to follow and about the polygamy it was God orders as islam agree on polygamy it must done by the prophet at first or people will say that was not in islam
I will Confess with this i cry when i hear about the prophet life
he was more than great or perfect
And (his prepubescent wife) the prophet (PBUH)marrage with Aicha was not
It was To confirm the link between him and a friend of Abu Bakr
it was not for sexual pleasure or these Shallow stuff
#1 people do not get married only to have sex (marrage is also kids ,family, responsibility and other stuff )
#2 you see stuff only from your side , you want me to believe that all the ideas that you got from the prophet marrage with aicha will sum up in thier reproduction process
#3 thier was a love story , they loved each other and the prophet did not touch her until she Completed the age of puberty means it was in the right way
#4 since 1400 year the girls were get married younger than now and in the hot countries girls grow up faster than the cold countries
#5 the first wife of the prophet (PBUH)Khadijah was older than him she was40 and he was 25 so we conclude that age can not control love and marrage in islam
is it simple?
Friday September 24th, 2010 @ 3:03pm
sorry i will be back later and continue this comment
Friday September 24th, 2010 @ 7:24pm
Don’t bother. Nothing you say is of any importance or relevance. In fact, It’s grade A bullshit.
“Girls grow up faster in hot countries” she says. Fuck off back to school you credulous child.
Friday September 24th, 2010 @ 7:34pm
How ’bout I put this in terms you can understand? Shut up, you’re just a woman. If you speak again, I’m going to set fire to you for your evil impertinence. A true Muslim woman would know her place!
Friday September 24th, 2010 @ 9:22pm
Yeah , the school need me more, you know there is(arabic ,english(american and british) and french and science ,maths , social studies ,computer, german ) this is the main subjects of course thier is others and my mother let me use the internet and tv
in holidays she think it wast my time
I am completely Tired from you and the school so why i will read all your comments while you are liar
Expose yourself what is your country and your job and how you live like that? in western countries ,which one ? why all of this ? is it because you do not believe it ? i did not ask you to ,you are the one who began this ,you made it as a fight or war or game
Your first concern is to be the winner to be right and you are not
hear this do not think that you are diffrent or special or you discovered something? no
Really this is Sterile conversation
Herd ,you call us herd ,what about you ?
You can say that we drink something every morning to be like that , to be brainwashed liars and violent terrorists
Who are you talking about?
Every thing happen for a reason, for any action there is reaction ,nothing is new not us and not you
I read that honesty is the shortest ways to convince ,i was completely honest .
Do you hide something? like what?terrorists, violence and religion
Go back to your parents and ask them about the missing part of your irreligious childhood then tell me what you had discovered
And i am not to accept with it is personal of course it is personal And i respect this but you hide something ? i am sure
You know you are reading about psychology and philosophy too much you believe it and you can not see it also it made by human minds created by God and people make mistakes
What about God ? we see him in many other ways
We are the proof of God exist with our nature
I have Depression from you . fix this hal
And SpoonmanWoS, you will what? excuse me but how you can
set fire on me for my evil impertinence .explain .
It is not because i am 15 you can say terrifying words for children under age of 5
New, yeah, smile you are the first one who threatens me here
You are violent and crazy and tell me where is my place ?as muslim woman means as you think
People try to advance from this complicated subject not by being a muslim but with cleaning your heart from all darkness and hatred
How could you live like that ? i can not feel normaly while there is something is danger and awful around me
I am living in 2010 year
Sunday September 19th, 2010 @ 6:37am
The only “Peace” the Middle East will see are all the “Peaces.”
Sunday September 19th, 2010 @ 12:53pm
If this is another “let’s keep bombing them” comment, then please leave.
Friday September 24th, 2010 @ 9:57pm
I really have no idea what you’re trying to say. I’m not going to denigrate your skill with English. It’s passable. I think you’re just insane and can’t follow your ramblings. I will try to respond to what I can understand…
“Go back to your parents and ask them about the missing part of your irreligious childhood then tell me what you had discovered”
I didn’t have an irreligious childhood. I grew up in a religious family and attended a religious school. Fortunately, however, I developed a brain early on and saw how ridiculous this whole religion thing is. The religious types openly discarded fairies and unicorns as real, but had no issue with this whole “god” thing. Worse, they discarded thousands of other gods that were just as ridiculous as theirs, but failed to see how silly their own was. The only thing missing from my childhood were days without attempted indoctrination.
“You know you are reading about psychology and philosophy too much you believe it and you can not see it also it made by human minds created by God and people make mistakes”
Sure they do. They do things like believe in mythical sky fairies and then tell other people they’ve got mental issues for NOT believing in them. Without any proof whatsoever, they’ll fly a plane into a building killing thousands on the sole belief that some invisible man that no one has ever seen…except one child molester 1400 years ago, or a couple of nutjobs even further back than that…wants them to.
“What about God ? we see him in many other ways We are the proof of God exist with our nature”
Considering your idea of a god is a spoiled child that needs to be taken out and beaten…yes, religious people are just like that.
“I have Depression from you . fix this hal”
You have depressions because there’s a part of your brain that’s been telling you for years how stupid your religious beliefs. As you participate in this site, you realize you can’t defend the silliness, though you try, and your brain is reacting. It’s called psychology…oh, that’s right, you don’t believe in things that have evidence behind them.
“And SpoonmanWoS, you will what? excuse me but how you can set fire on me for my evil impertinence .explain .”
You’re speaking to men as if you’re an equal. Isn’t that disallowed in your religion? If you think it’s not, perhaps you should investigate why it is that a significant portion its followers believe that to be true, yet you..reading the exact same words in the exact same book…take a different interpretation. Such discrepancies are proof enough that your book is not the inerrant word of a god. It’s not even the inerrant word of a child molester.
“It is not because i am 15 you can say terrifying words for children under age of 5”
Oh, I see. So, you can set fire to children under 5 for their impertinence? For those older, do you prefer stoning to death or acid in the face?
“New, yeah, smile you are the first one who threatens me here”
I see that they don’t teach irony where your from, so I’ll tell you that you can ignore it. It went over your head.
“People try to advance from this complicated subject not by being a muslim but with cleaning your heart from all darkness and hatred”
I’ll clean mine out when your religion does. When you stop flying planes into our buildings, and stop burning us in effigy in your streets, then we can talk. Until you get yourselves domesticated, we’re going to treat you as the wild animals you really are.
“I am living in 2010 year”
But, subscribe to Bronze age philosophies.
Friday September 24th, 2010 @ 11:14pm
(I’ll clean mine out when your religion does. When you stop flying planes into our buildings, and stop burning us in effigy in your streets, then we can talk. Until you get yourselves domesticated, we’re going to treat you as the wild animals you really are)
we ,who are us in your opinion? did you saw me do this violence cruel stuff before? i do not think so ,i am too far away from this
the people who did it i have never saw them
hear this
not because they said that they are muslims it make me one of them or make them muslims at all
In my enviroment i never saw someone claims to be muslim and did violence terror action
I am Innocent from them to the day of judgment because they are not Gods they are criminals also they should be punished in earth and after death
You also said your religion ,what is my religion did for you ? you can touch my religion or see it? it is some ideas and rules and i believe that it is from God
And about the doom and hell for disbelievers it is God business
no body from us sure from he is in hell or paradise
Some times i get scared from the idea of if me right or wrong
if God agree on this or not but i take reasons and excuses to my actions
I think that my relation with God is more important than any thing else so God is#1 forever it depends on be honest and loyality
the religion is more diffrent it is something to feel it, i feel secure and safe with God i do not know why? it is easy for me to follow my choice
i know that born muslim not make me choose but i did
also muslims are not countable group of people who do the same things every day in one place
it is the religion#2 around the world and the Statistics show that in 2025 it will be the religion #1 around the world
so muslims are everywhere in every nation there is muslims
i have to go to pray al fajr and see you later
Monday September 20th, 2010 @ 7:21am
some people are sick of any kind of religion and others believe in any one of the religions! my question is, can nations survive without religion? if yes then is there any primitive nation (say 1000 years back) without religion still existing???? one more thing, i am not supporting any religion! i am just learning things from your scholastic views! and question again repeated: “what should be done to make this earth a peaceful place to live on????”
Monday September 20th, 2010 @ 11:41am
A nation could exist without religion, it’s just that religion imposes itself at every opportunity.
What should be done to make this a peaceful Earth? First step: eliminate the religious mentality.
Monday September 20th, 2010 @ 11:46am
To clarify (just in case): When I says religious mentality, I exclude spirituality. Spirituality is great, religion is not.
Monday September 20th, 2010 @ 1:36pm
Religion is dead spirituality.
Monday September 20th, 2010 @ 1:43pm
Religion is spirituality after it’s been raped, turned over, slapped in the face with the instrument that raped it, turned over again, and raped a second time.
Monday September 20th, 2010 @ 1:55pm
Donkey-punched.
Monday September 20th, 2010 @ 7:16pm
If I was forced to go with *any* religion, I’d have to go with Buddhism.
AT LEAST they have more meaningful moral codes than other religions… and to be quite frank, meditation ACTUALLY does help make lives better. Being the stressful person I am, there have been nights where I just sit down on my floor, close my eyes, and refresh my mind from pressure through musical sounds.
Buddhism is probably the only religion that is an exception from what I would consider to otherwise be “dead spirituality.” They don’t believe in any gods, and I’m FINE with that!
Monday September 20th, 2010 @ 7:21pm
Buddhim, problems with:
Denial of physical reality, therefore this Earth doesn’t matter, therefore polution doesn’t matter.
To Buddhists, all that matters is the afterlife, and everything in our natural physical lives is inconsequential.
The smugness.
Sorry to attack you on this one, but I think I hate Buddhism more than most religions aside from the big 3.
Monday September 20th, 2010 @ 7:39pm
Meh, no problem. I wouldn’t really be a hardcore Buddhist anyway; I would just be a light Buddhist just because of meditation’s positive effects.
Monday September 20th, 2010 @ 1:54pm
I’m not sure I fully understand the question. Are you asking if we would like our respective nations to follow purely secular laws or are you asking if we would like religions to be abolished or outlawed completely?
I wouldn’t be radical enough to demand or expect an end to religiosity altogether but I would very much like for all religions to step down from their pedestals and accept that they should be accountable for their crimes, that they are not above criticism and certainly not above our laws (man made laws for those who claim to only answer to a higher authority).
As Richard Dawkins puts it, I would like to see public consciousness raised to a point where intellectual integrity and honesty are held in higher regard than the ancient scriptures that most certainly limit our capacity to advance morally, sociologically and scientifically.
If individuals or families want to continue with their faiths then so be it. What right do we have to interfere?
But this also works in reverse. Religious views should be kept out of the public domain completely. Out of schools, governments, mainstream charities, rehabilitation clinics, etc. If someone attempts to impose their views on others then they should be shunned without fear of reprisal.
How’s that for a few ideas? Barely the tip of the iceberg but certainly a step in the right direction.
Tuesday September 21st, 2010 @ 9:16am
those who does not believe to god and Holy prophet mohammad (PBUH) are the heretics and the punishment of heretics are fire of hell on the doomsday,and those who make fun of islam are the disreputables and i pray to god those who make these things born them in hell again and again……., just think about one second of it….!
rescue yourself….!!!! u can start contrition today….god will bless u for sure….!!!!
Tuesday September 21st, 2010 @ 10:41am
A prime specimen of a brainwashed drone reeling out the same nonsense as all the other kids raised under devout parents.
Friday September 24th, 2010 @ 7:41pm
brainwashed funny funny funny
who told you that? you knew it by yourself or someone told you to say it?
Friday September 24th, 2010 @ 10:02pm
Hal
I have to confess you need therapy (Psychological help) only between us your parents were devout? and i advice you to stop your unusual activites on children under 18 age
Not because you read two or more books about Psychology make you diffrent and right or great intelligent person with no mistakes
you know what i am sure hal ,andre and green world have no job
It is like you spend you life in front of this site what do you want to prove? this site is for insane Unemployed infidels
Friday September 24th, 2010 @ 10:20pm
Actually I can access the net anytime using my phone so it’s not like I’m sitting in front of a computer 24/7.
You need to chill out and stop taking things personally. If you’re getting “depression” then stop reading shit that might shake the bedrock of your indoctrination. Go memorize the quran instead. And stop fishing for sympathy here, you will not find any.
Saturday September 25th, 2010 @ 2:40am
You said you were 15?
You don’t even know what a job is.
Get your uneducated ass the hell off this side of the internet.
Saturday September 25th, 2010 @ 4:05pm
You don’t know a thing about me Esraa so stop making assumptions because you’re so terribly wrong.
You accused me of being 17 before (I don’t know what could’ve possibly given you that idea).
No, my (moderate) parents are not devout. If they were, then I wouldn’t have the freedom of choice.
No, I was not raised as an irreligious child, I have been a Muslim for longer than you’ve been alive.
No, I am not unemployed, I contribute to my society.
No, I do not partake in any “unusual activities” with children (you must be thinking of your prophet).
No, I haven’t even read one book “on psychology” but I have a mild interest in the subject.
No, I don’t think I’m immune to mistakes but yes, I am certainly more intelligent than you.
I am not merely concerned with being right and winning arguments, but if I disagree with something I read then I’ll happily say so. If I am able to provide a better or fuller answer than what you or others say then I’ll try but I will never make claims that I don’t fully agree with and I will not lie just to put someone down.
You, however, DO lie. You lie to yourself, and by extension, to others. Grow up or fuck off.
Saturday September 25th, 2010 @ 6:16pm
Who the hell are you to assume you even know my personal life? And for the record, I am in COLLEGE. I bet you would be able to get a job one day, muslim girl, but it would most likely be you processing orders for one Big Mac burger, medium french fries, and a large Coke.
Saturday September 25th, 2010 @ 6:44pm
It would be more practical to just order a large big mac meal than those 3 items individually.
She wouldn’t work for McDonalds anyway because undoubtedly she believes that all of their profits are fed directly to israel.
Tuesday September 21st, 2010 @ 12:35pm
The Christians are damning me to hell, the Muslims are damming me to hell. It’s a good thing both are such peaceful and loving religions or I might get the idea they don’t like me.
Friday September 24th, 2010 @ 6:39pm
ok guys if you realy want to know about islam visit this page (http://www.cincinnatibeacon.com/index.php?/contents/comments/the_christian_bias_and_learning_about_islam/).
Friday September 24th, 2010 @ 6:49pm
No. I already know about islam.
Saturday September 25th, 2010 @ 6:09pm
Your Prophet was a fucking pedophile. That’s all I know, and it’s all it takes for anyone to desecrate your religion. I don’t regret a single word from this post.
Wednesday September 29th, 2010 @ 10:55am
Hi all non Muslim friends(and according to Hal, I should consider them as foes).
I never had accepted defeat, like Andre said, i am defeated, stupid, lacking research sense bla bla…
In my whole conversation, i haven’t used a single vulgar word, bc it is my Islam who forbids me. on the other hand most non-muslim used, bc science dont teaches manners. If a muslim used those words, he committed a sin. No muslim is perfect, the fact is, out of all, only few are truly 100% following Islam. If we had followed Lslam fully, then we would have been dominant. But the time is going to come when muslims will become dominant before the of the end of time. (why? bc our prophet said so). Prophet gave us prediction that this this will happen, and each and every prediction is coming true, and we are moving toward the end.
For atheists:
why don’t we walk around naked? Bc according to science, it would be a healthy habit. Skin would have a lot of fresh air. If we truly follow science, then we will be no different from animals(no restrictions etc). Science do not teach what is right or wrong. so where the science followers found the rule not to roam naked, sleep with mother/sister->(i doubt about this point for u people,bc there is no limit to how filthy a human can get), not to kill some one for ur own good, not to tell a lie, respect ur parents, elders etc. because these are all the laws/rules set by religion, and u people use them.
It is true that i am still working on my thesis. I mentioned it, so that non of u might consider that i am turning my back. Am i am still busy, so won’t be here. Being a Muslim, it was my duty to knock at your Heart, to check if U would welcome,(even though it is irreligion web site).
On the whole, this far, your comments, questions, taunting… it was exactly the same as were done with our beloved Prophet Muhammad. believe me they say exactly the same wording that u people us, and get angry due to hatred without any reason
As i said in my first post, only those will gain light, and be showed right path, who Allah chooses.
And Hal, yes, I have intentions to convert all non believers to Islam, not just u, bc i want to save them. On the day of judgement, you will be asked “weren’t u told about Islam?” Then u people wont be able to deny on that day, bc me and my Muslim friends tried to show u the right path. U still have time to think
Please don’t get me wrong, it is neither our duty nor it is in our power to convert any single person to islam, however, however.. we are instructed by Allah to just try, and prey for them, who will gain LIGHT, is a choice to be made by Allah. We are not responsible for the results.
According to science, human life has no meaning for existence, we born and die, and all is over??. Ever wonder why r we here? what is our purpose?
Just to get born and die, this is no answer.
If Allah reveal him self now, (as the inner of ur hearts want, that is, if there is some “Allah”, as muslims claim, then why don’t he show up?!) then every one would bow, and it won’t be even a test. bc we are being tested in this world, that is, who comes with the right believe, without seeing Allah.
That’s all. If i heart some one with my words, truly sorry. My duty here is over. but i will keep praying for u guys.
Wednesday September 29th, 2010 @ 11:41am
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Fucking priceless!!
I wish I wasn’t at the library so I could actually have a good laugh at this.
Wow.
So good, you really can’t make this shit up.
Seriously, good show: lies, stupidity, misinformation, it’s all there!!
I can’t even begin to enjoy this to it’s fullest potential.
Wow.
Wednesday September 29th, 2010 @ 11:51am
Let’s start here…
“In my whole conversation, i haven’t used a single vulgar word…”
“Fool, this in not how modern research is done, u have to have a lab. Mr. Tarzan” – Hammad, page 5.
Now, I’ll be the first to say this isn’t particularly “vulgar” but the implication made by your most recent post is that you were never insulting to any person on this thread, when clearly this is false, proven by the quote I’ve taken from one of your posts on page 5, where you foolishly posted obvious fake images as true findings of giants and boats from fairy tales.
Next:
“why don’t we walk around naked?”
I do this all the time. Not because “science says to” but because I enjoy it.
Your understanding of science is becoming more and more clearly very VERY limited. Almost to a comical point. In fact, not almost, it’s there. It’s very fucking comical.
Next:
“According to science, human life has no meaning for existence, we born and die, and all is over??. Ever wonder why r we here? what is our purpose?
Just to get born and die, this is no answer.”
More misunderstanding of science. Science has never said “life has no meaning.” Science searches for answers through experimentation, trial and error, observation, whereas you start with answers and look to prove them by ignoring anything that contradicts it.
There is so much more in this post to be ridiculed, and I or someone else will surely get to it, but I need to do a bit of reading before math, hopefully this sustained laughter in my head doesn’t distract me too much.
Wednesday September 29th, 2010 @ 12:07pm
Oh man this totally deserves a place on this week’s Fundie Ramblings.
Wednesday September 29th, 2010 @ 3:34pm
Welcome back Hammad. Your timing is perfect since I just got my laptop back (did your prophet predict this would happen?).
The debate on this page was beginning to stagnate since the highly emotional Labinot shied away, and the ramblings of Muslim Girl became too incoherent to justify an attempt to reply.
We needed a new antagonist to sharpen our claws on but I must say that your “comeback comment” was very disappointing. Here’s why:
I believe you’ll find ’twas Andre who said this not I.
What I said was
You should know that there is a big difference between these two comments. Next:
You speak of impending Islamic dominance. How, feasibly, do you see this happening?
Through peaceful conversion? Through imposed force? Through higher birth-rates than the western and far eastern world?
An easy wager to make isn’t it? One that may not come to fruition in our lifetimes.
You can go to your grave happy, to have never been disproved on this point.
Do you realise that the idea of total Islamic dominance is utterly abhorrent to many muslims as well as ALL non-muslims?
It cannot possibly work with today’s understanding of acceptable and socially compatible ethics.
About your prophet’s predictions coming true, I would absolutely fucking love it if you could elaborate on that point.
Wow, I don’t know where to begin on this point. Really? Incest? Just like that you go from nudity to incest? I think this is very revealing of your personality. Has your religion been imposing strict rules on your ancestors for so many generations that you can no longer be trusted to exercise your own willpower and resist fucking the first female you see naked?
So wrong. If you were more accustomed to “flesh” then you would see that it really isn’t a big deal at all. This is why you make the ludicrous point of walking around naked. You see it as too extreme. Instead of then finding the balance of what is appropriate (like a T-shirt), the muslim mentality will jump to the opposite extreme. As in, “men cannot be trusted to curb their sexual impulses so women must cover up all but their hands and faces. If they do not, then those whoring temptresses must be stoned to death!”
Also, what do you think is the primary purpose of clothing? Go back to our lowly origins and you’ll find that by wearing the skins of animals, early humans were able to expand their territories further afield into colder climates.
It was not because we had to cover our private parts as you seem to think.
Have you considered that what you’re doing is a double-edged sword?
I know that you are too deeply entrenched in Islamic doctrine to be converted away from Islam. The thing is, there will be many others reading this page who are not as determined as you or I in our respective “beliefs”. People sitting on the fence that could more easily be swayed by a persuasive argument. If anyone finds Andre’s, Greenworld’s or my arguments more compelling than yours, then surely you’ve caused more damage to your agenda?
Thursday September 30th, 2010 @ 11:38am
Just wanted to expand on this point. You falsely present a statement as fact again.
“science” (as if it were a single entity) does not state that walking around in the nude all the time is beneficial. Clothes aren’t just fashion or identity displays, they essentially protect us from the elements. Without them, you would be at risk of prolonged exposure to ultraviolet rays or rain or cold winds or sandstorms and so on.
Air can still circulate under clothing as long as it’s not too constricting.
You claim “science” does not teach right from wrong. Once again, incorrect. A professor in moral philosophy is always going to be a better source of information on ethics than any imam or rabbi or preacher. Philosophy is a very important branch of science that theists dismiss as inferior (to the arbitrary moral code of religion) because they cannot comprehend the idea of the mind having so much potential if they just remove the shackles of their scriptures. They assign that level of understanding to the divine and therefore assume it to be unattainable to the human mind. “Only a higher power can provide us with knowledge of right and wrong.”
There is a brilliant philosophical breakdown of the origin of that religious belief in Daniel Quinn’s book, Ishmael. He explains the stories of Adam & Eve and Kane & Abel in a more realistic, historical way related to the Neolithic revolution. These stories were then passed through generations and eventually adopted and bastardised by the Abrahamic religions.
Sunday October 10th, 2010 @ 7:44pm
Convert all peeps to Islam?…
WHO ARE YOU TO QUESTION ALLAHS WISDOME!
Sunday October 3rd, 2010 @ 11:01am
hi i’m 13yrs and come across this and would to know why did someone bothered with these cartoon?
what to make a muslim see how horrible islam is? have you seen well and truly a muslim change religion become jew or christan ect….
i havent even heard of one!
Sunday October 3rd, 2010 @ 12:26pm
If one defects to another religion then one is still limited by the same delusions.
Most people here believe that christianity and judaism are just as false as islam.
Had you asked “have you seen a muslim abandon religion altogether?” then I would answer yes, several times, myself included.
Sunday October 3rd, 2010 @ 8:15pm
I’m a muslim, and trust me, muslims are NOT violent(or at least not all of them). So I think that those who call us violent are weird.
Sunday October 3rd, 2010 @ 8:16pm
The non-violent muslims sit quietly while the violent ones take action. Silently they support their violent brothers.
Violent or not, you’re part of the problem.
Monday October 11th, 2010 @ 1:18pm
“Silence is a sort of ‘accordance’.” – Some semi-story-relevant-NPC from Assasins Creed
Sunday October 3rd, 2010 @ 8:16pm
ok, not weird, just mentally ill.
Sunday October 3rd, 2010 @ 8:39pm
Andre: Are you a muslim? no. Do you understand anything about islam? you think you do, but all you carry in your head about islam is this:
we’re nothing but a bunch of idiots who either go around killing people or cheering the killers on.
Sunday October 3rd, 2010 @ 8:48pm
You don’t understand the process of research and studying, do you? You may be one who opposes the violence but the vast majority either commit the violence or support it, quietly or openly.
Sunday October 3rd, 2010 @ 8:42pm
which is not true. there are actually some of us who oppose to the killing, believe it or not.
Sunday October 3rd, 2010 @ 8:59pm
whatever
Sunday October 3rd, 2010 @ 9:01pm
do you support it, andre?
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 9:22am
Oh hell yes, islamic violence is my favourite. I especially love it when they kill cartoonists for being funny. I mean, who WOULDN’T kill someone for doing their job? My question is: Why aren’t we killing all the other ones? What gives them the right to keep on living?
What? Can’t think of a comeback?
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 2:33pm
there is NO such thing as islam violenec! it is peaceful……….. andrew is full of shit
feelow muslims stick to your faith these people are evil and heartless
greenworld, andre, hal, ian, etc = EVIL, possed BY SATAN!!!!!
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 3:05pm
In the words of Bill Hicks, “Suck Satan’s cock.”
Monday October 11th, 2010 @ 9:11am
“there is NO such thing as islam violenec” – you deluded, lying waste of semen.
And just in case the entire history Islam – from it’s violent early spread to Western Europe through to the contemporary murders during the Danish cartoon furore – wasn’t enough for you, I think the violent threats of ‘ISLAM IS GOOD’ might be worth some attention of yours, you utter, utter twat.
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 7:44pm
shut up loser
stupid atheist fucks i kill you all
your children will die of cancer
Sunday October 3rd, 2010 @ 9:24pm
what? can’t think of a comeback, andre?
Sunday October 3rd, 2010 @ 11:35pm
Dude, chill. This is a blog discussion, not a live chat room.
Sunday October 3rd, 2010 @ 10:01pm
andre?
Sunday October 3rd, 2010 @ 10:03pm
are you still here andre?
Sunday October 3rd, 2010 @ 10:30pm
Yokels. Aren’t they great?
Sunday October 3rd, 2010 @ 10:31pm
huh???
Sunday October 3rd, 2010 @ 10:33pm
Exactly.
Sunday October 3rd, 2010 @ 10:51pm
umm…
Sunday October 3rd, 2010 @ 10:52pm
goodbye everyone
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 12:07am
We’ll miss you.
NOT.
(Wayne’s World)
Saturday October 9th, 2010 @ 4:55pm
it’s always fun seeing what people will say to that.
Sunday October 3rd, 2010 @ 10:52pm
i’m logging off
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 9:23am
I hope you come back soon!
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 2:24pm
theses cartoons offnd the TRUTH & BEATY of islam………… allah will punish you infidels for this offend….
muslim girl and hammad are tryin to show the TRUTH & BEATY of islam…….. yet you athests and christians dont understand………. you just continue making funn of allah, muslims and our PROPHET Muhammad(pbuh).
hal are you muslim? why are you arguing aginst other muslims………..
long live palestine. death to the jews of israel.
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 3:47pm
No I am not Muslim.
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 7:48pm
Bite me. I’d like to see your god punish us. If “one day is a thousand years” in a god’s time, then your god has been taking a HUGE long ass time to get back at us, huh?
Monday October 11th, 2010 @ 9:13am
Oh, look it’s Abdul and his religion of peace saying, “death to the Jews”. What a massive hypocrite and full-time cunt.
Monday October 11th, 2010 @ 1:24pm
Those who gloat over sth the loudest are those who need it the most
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 7:08pm
whoever made this cartoon is totally racist, everything is so flase in so many ways. Why does everything have to be about bombs and for once make cartoons for something right about our religion. There is alot of extremisim in our Muslim countries but thats their own interpretation of Islam which is not even in our holy Quran which is not regarded as Islam. Hal you should shut up and start reading the Quran. If Palestinians are so called being terrorist to Israel, let them attack Israel because it their land and not the Jews, and you would do the same if somebody attacked your country.
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 7:40pm
True, because we’re offending just the Muslim radicals, not the entire Arab race.
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 8:50pm
Shut up and start reading the quran?
Is that what you tell your wife and kids?
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 7:35pm
indeed… nothing could be more comforting than having your kids reading rotten tales
Monday October 11th, 2010 @ 9:18am
“Racist”? Erm… no-one’s portrayed any stereotype about any race. The cartoon’s satirise religious belief, not genetic inheritance. Seriously, if you know this little about race and belief, you’ve got to start reading ideas and studied research that’s contrary to your opinions, as you evidently are really quite lax in that regard and come out with the dumbest statements as a result.
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 7:42pm
islam is good
these cratoons are racist
mohammed will punish all the naysayers
praise GOD!
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 7:46pm
these pictures is an insult to the beautiful creation of god who’s name is ALLAH and his prohpet who’s name is MUHAMMAD
take this down ian or i will sue you for defamation of personal beliefs
Monday October 4th, 2010 @ 8:47pm
You go ahead and try that.
Monday October 11th, 2010 @ 9:20am
Well, we’re a week on now, and where’s this defamation case then? Come the fuck on and hurry up, or are you just another false prophet like Muhammad?
Tuesday October 5th, 2010 @ 3:11pm
My dear friends i agree that i ay not have a right of speak in this world. with my forthieen birthday in 2 days i have no right at all. but i must say that yes i agree with you alll. yes muslims are hypocritical and maybe dishonest and murderous, however that does no tmake every muslim one. i detese against violence and want world peace bu tht e war ragig beween muslims and christians has tooo stop one day. when are people ging to learn too grow up. this blog/website was not a very good i dea it is proof of the wrongdoing of other religons, but islam. that i swhy we are so angered.
Ian i agree with Islam is good, it might be for the better that you do take this down and if you have any problems with the muslim sof the world i would be more than happy to take the balme for thm. if you have any complaints blme me. but please do not insult my religon. we never did anything to harm anyone, ven if here are some bad dudes around.
i once again ask you for the sake of world peace please take this down and do not insult us with your radical veiw comments and pictures than you.
Wednesday October 6th, 2010 @ 12:24am
1. We’re not christians.
2. You’re an idiot.
Wednesday October 6th, 2010 @ 12:06pm
Hal you really left islam,did you really know islam?
Wednesday October 6th, 2010 @ 12:13pm
Hell yeah I know Islam. Do you?
Wednesday October 6th, 2010 @ 12:24pm
No you don’t, you can’t “know”, since you’re only 13.
Wednesday October 6th, 2010 @ 12:28pm
if you guys dont have a religion than do you belive in the big bang and the world came from gas and all that rubbish?
Wednesday October 6th, 2010 @ 12:49pm
This “Islamic Cartoons” article has 6 pages of comments. I can see that you’re about to start a cycle of questions that have been answered before, and that you have absolutely no understanding of science. Read pages 4 onwards before you jump in the middle of this debate. Better yet, come back in about 5-10 years so that we can have a proper conversation.
Wednesday October 6th, 2010 @ 2:33pm
Are you sure that 5-10 more years of religious indoctrination is really going to improve this one’s ability to converse reasonably about the universe?
Wednesday October 6th, 2010 @ 2:52pm
At 13, all our words will go over her head.
At 18+ all our words will go in one ear and out the other.
The second option seems preferable to me even though they are both, most likely, futile.
Tuesday May 31st, 2011 @ 9:34am
Under the age of 18 they do not understand you.
After the age of 18 they do not want to understand you exactly as you do not want to understand them.
Wednesday October 6th, 2010 @ 5:34pm
i know enough about the universe about nuclear fusion,nebula clouds
just because of my age does not mean i’m stipud.
Wednesday October 6th, 2010 @ 5:46pm
Yet your spelling skills tank.
Wednesday October 6th, 2010 @ 6:19pm
I don’t believe you. What you’ve been taught about nuclear fusion and nebulae can only be broad strokes. You could not discuss these subjects in-depth with a learned adult. You’ll certainly have no chance of contriving a decent argument for Islam here, that’s for sure.
Wednesday October 6th, 2010 @ 5:54pm
i’m a teen,we wuld usualy tap lke, suz if u cant understand ):
Wednesday October 6th, 2010 @ 5:58pm
can you read what i wrote above?…should i translate it ):
Wednesday October 6th, 2010 @ 6:09pm
I can, but your lack of spelling and punctuation does not convince me one bit about your so-called “knowledge” of the universe. Entertain me.
Wednesday October 6th, 2010 @ 6:11pm
i’m sorry i dont have as much time as you to go over page 4.
Wednesday October 6th, 2010 @ 6:16pm
i’m going to be a sciencist when i grow,you me to tell you what i know?
i actaully want to know what your understanding are of things Gliese maybe
and no sir you entertain me.
Wednesday October 6th, 2010 @ 6:17pm
tell me about beloved Gliese.
Wednesday October 6th, 2010 @ 6:21pm
The star or the planet?
Wednesday October 6th, 2010 @ 6:30pm
if you can
Wednesday October 6th, 2010 @ 6:32pm
loool this planet 25 light years away,sciencist say it is like Earth and can be our new home
Wednesday October 6th, 2010 @ 7:00pm
Gliese 581(I think this number is right) is an earth-like planet, yes.
What’s the relevance of this?
As for being our new home, this isn’t likely to happen anytime soon, we’ll likely exterminate ourselves before our technology is advanced enough to even make an attempt at reaching the planet.
Wednesday October 6th, 2010 @ 6:34pm
what happened to Greenworld gone to bed?
Wednesday October 6th, 2010 @ 7:00pm
This is not live chat, holy shit.
Realize that blogs/forums such as this one are NOT in real-time. Some people have other things to do as well and need to step away for a while.
Thursday October 7th, 2010 @ 11:44am
i know that i didnt say it was
but if you decide to start something with someone and upset them then you just atleast have the decency to reply
Thursday October 7th, 2010 @ 4:03pm
What Andre said. Just because I didn’t reply back to you on time doesn’t mean shit about whether I have the decency to reply or not. I have (better) things to do than just sit here with my face glued to the monitor all day, caring about all the insignificant bullshit that occurs on the Internet.
Give it some time after your most recent reply to me, and I *will* get back to you.
Thursday October 7th, 2010 @ 11:53am
Anyway this is how i see things involving god and universe
if gravity was a bit weaker,the atoms would have so widely distributed that they would never have been gathered into galaxies,stars and planets.
if the force of gravity was a bit stronger,the atoms would have been pulled togethere into one single mass and the Big Bang would have simply become the Big crunch.
BUT gravity was just right just like many other things SOoooo i think God did it
how else would anyway example it?
Thursday October 7th, 2010 @ 12:04pm
None of this is accurate. There is no reason to believe that the current state of the universe is the only way it could ever work. According to multiverse theory, it’s very probable that other universes have different laws of physics, including stronger/weaker gravity.
Not to mention that gravity has little to nothing to do with the “distribution” of stars and planets, etc.
Thursday October 7th, 2010 @ 4:11pm
Which deity/deities did it, then, assuming your theory is correct?
You do know thousands of millions of gods have already been “revealed” to mankind prior to your Allah?
Don’t give me the bullshit excuses like, “Oh, but the Qu’ran is the TRUTH, blablabla,” because this will only demonstrate how absurdly close-minded you are. What if it was Zeus who created this Earth? No? Then how about Vishnu? Waheguru? Baha’i’s God? Horus?
Think about it.
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 11:13am
my point isnt about that, it’s about how i think A god was behind the creation of the universe.i dont give shit about the revelations just the fact that its common that things dont come out of thin air.
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 5:52pm
Hm… “A God.”
And you are commenting on a blog post about how the Islamic radicals react to Muhammad cartoons.
Therefore, you are arguing for Islam; the God of this particular religion is Allah.
You are arguing for Allah’s existence. Period.
Thursday October 7th, 2010 @ 5:55pm
i am and gravity pulled all the atoms togethere and created the ‘Big bang’
but if you watch stephen hawking the universe.He talked about how everthing in the universe was just right to be where we are now although he says its ‘luck’
its just too much of a coincidence ,how all the luck just kept happening and happening.
Thursday October 7th, 2010 @ 6:27pm
Do you have a point?
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 11:05am
yes my point is its too much of a coincidence to be luck
thats why i think God did it
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 11:39am
No coincidence nor luck involved. It was inevitable.
Just because you don’t understand it doesn’t mean that it must have been god’s work.
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 12:05pm
i do uderstand but if you really knew about science in detail then you would too.The thoery of the Big Bang and evolutoin would mean that everything happened in chaos but see how perfect everthing is,the human body,the organ everthing is in perfect order.Example you see a car but you dont who made the car you’ve never see him but you know someone designed and made it because of your commmon knowlegd of thing.You know because you see the evidence of it,its in perfect working order.If there wasnt a higher power in control than everthing would really be chaos.
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 12:17pm
@fatima
Wow, you want to discuss “perfect order”?
Why is it that you think the human body is perfect? Is the squishy and vulnerable nature of the human body perfect? Why are we so easily infected by diseased and viruses? Is it because we’re perfect? There is an optic nerve that goes from the brain stem, down below the throat, and back up near the eyes. Why does it take such a detour? Why isn’t just a short and direct connection? A shorter, direct connection would, in fact, improve a human’s ability to focus on a given object much quicker, essentially improving our eyesight even further. Instead the connection is long, causing lag in the response time from when our eye sees something to when our brain processes it. This is mere milliseconds of delay, but it’s a delay nonetheless. What great engineer would screw up this bad? Evolution easily explains the way the nerve has developed, it’s a simple matter of development of the neck, in which the nerve initially was a short connection, but looped around what soon became our vocal chords (I believe it’s our vocal chords) which moved lower in our neck as we evolved, pulling the nerve down and forcing it to grow longer.
FYI: The blind watchmaker (or car maker) argument has been made before, and it has been debunked a thousand times over. Nothing is in perfect order, you really need to properly understand perfection before ever attempting to make this claim.
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 12:23pm
You’ve just jumbled every “theory” you’ve heard of into one sentence without understanding any of them.
Thursday October 7th, 2010 @ 8:09pm
When do you plan to further discuss Gliese 581 and my response to your first comments on gravity?
Or are you just going to keep talking out of your ass?
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 11:03am
this is a debate,the point of it is to give different point of views and NOT keep going on about the same thing
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 11:08am
and i have said somthing about your comment.
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 6:03pm
You haven’t said anything about my comment, you repeated your initial comment even though I already told you that you were wrong.
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 12:08pm
You’re an idiot, this isn’t a “debate” it’s a discussion. If you bring up a topic, we discuss it, you don’t just drop the subject when someone shows you that you’re wrong. The idea is to prove your points, not make them and later disregard them.
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 5:37am
Fatima, answer Greenworld’s question, or fuck off.
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 11:07am
do i know you? where you here before?..No
so dont jump into something and swear at me
thank you.
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 5:53pm
Just answer my question — I’m waiting.
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 6:01pm
You’re asking for too much, man. This is just not possible.
When has ANY one of these people actually responded to us? They simply post, wait for a reply, and then post the same thing with some bullshit addition that has nothing to do with what we’ve said.
It happens every time.
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 6:12pm
Yeah, I know. I just simply like to leave my questions up there, in case someone willing to open their mind decides to work on a logical response. Unfortunately, the majority of the Muslims commenting on this particular blog post are full of shit. Ignorance is bliss; I am inclined to do the same to them, actually.
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 12:43pm
Hal tell me what part i haven’t understood.
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 1:54pm
Your logical errors include combining the big bang theory with the theory of evolution; substituting natural selection for chaos theory; supporting the nonsensical concept of intelligent design and assuming there MUST be a designer; asserting that the human body is perfect; employing the “god of the gaps” in your reasoning; assuming the universe would descend into chaos without a higher power.
That’s just from one comment alone.
You have much to learn if you want to sit at the adults’ table.
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 12:59pm
Andre
lets get one thing clear my definition of perfect is clearly much differnt to yours !
for exameple , lets say a cell was missing from you body , would you be able to function properly ? no you wouldn’t because everything is created to make another work.
And if you think the human can be improved then why don’t you have a go making your own ‘perfect’ human.
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 2:17pm
Do you realize how many dead cells you have on your body at this very moment?
Cells are mortal, they live and die as an independent being but perform as a cooperative member of a group of cells. You know what happens when cells live forever? Tumors. Cancer is, in the most basic way of defining it, immortal cells that clump up and continue to multiply, causing deteriorated health and death for the victim. Wow, what another awesome example of imperfection.
Also, “perfect” is not an arbitrary word, it has a specific definition, you can’t just input your own and whine when you sound stupid for doing so. This is no different than saying “it’s just my opinion, so there.”
I’m not as nice as Hal, and I’ll be the first to suggest that you stop trying right now before you make yourself look as stupid as Hammad did on page 5.
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 6:49pm
maybe because Hal is smarter being the way you are,your not really getting anyway are you?
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 6:55pm
I have no idea what you’re trying to say here.
Your English is so bad in this post that I can’t even piece it together and find out just how stupid it probably is.
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 6:01pm
ok so i have looked over page 5 and don’t see how i relate to Hammad.
But i would like A reason from one of you why you think God dosent exist,a proper logic reason not a link but in your own words, as i have not heard the reasons yet.
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 6:04pm
You don’t even understand logic, so why should I bother?
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 6:48pm
loooooooooooool! i knew you would say something like that.
maybe because you dont have a logic reason AND its why am i bothering if you cant even proof your points.
?
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 6:50pm
My goodness you’re stupid.
You really are up there with Hammad. A few more posts like these and you just might make your way on to the weekly fundie ramblings.
Friday October 8th, 2010 @ 10:09pm
Sometimes I keep thinking that fatima is just Hammad in disguise.
Saturday October 9th, 2010 @ 6:27am
i’m disappointed,i thought a least one of was up to the challenge.
Isn’t that Hammad guy thing getting old now?
Saturday October 9th, 2010 @ 6:37am
I’ve answered this before on page 4.
Saturday October 9th, 2010 @ 6:40am
Here it is again:
Saturday October 9th, 2010 @ 7:07am
Thats all very good but you have see that the points of religion are to fill unanswered questions like ‘why are we here’ ect..
i dont think people follow religion to do all this bombing and shooting
that’s exactly why i follow a religion if i didnt then my mind would be fill with questions.The quran says loads about 21st century like about the race of tall builds
and its true all these citys thats exactly what there doing to attract tourists.
A disaster in the west and a disaster in east
west=haiti east=pakistan
All this was said in the quran, i forgett the exact surah this was in but if you went i’ll go find out.
Saturday October 9th, 2010 @ 7:50am
I’m afraid that’s not the case. Religions have the wrong answers. They have been using the same answers for as long as they’ve been around and none of it is relevant any more (if it ever really was).
Our understanding of the world has been held back by religions for so long until mankind began to seek other methods of learning.
Observation. Calculation. Pattern seeking. Testing. Step by step, we began to standardise the “Scientific Method” to study the true workings of the universe.
Much of what we learned contradicted with the teachings of the abrahamic religions, and the heavy hand of god’s followers crushed anyone who defied god by announcing they have found a better source of information.
The same applied to philosophers and free thinkers. Those who pondered the nature of the mind and how it works. Those who broke free from the dominant religion of their land because they saw it as a system of control.
Only recently has it been possible for people to openly contemplate our purpose in life without fear of aggressive religious response.
Don’t be ridiculous, there is absolutely no link there so stop trying to pass off your qur’an’s hocus pocus as a fulfilled prophecy.
A line that vague could be applied to any time you like since natural disasters are frequently erupting all over earth.
Hurricanes, tsunamis, floods, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions. You can guarantee that these events will affect large amounts of people all over the world every single year.
You basically just said that allah knew he was going to devastate Haiti and Pakistan this year and, to fuck with us, he left a clue in the qur’an that was so cryptic that we’d never figure out how to avoid this devastation.
He must have laughed his holy ass off when the pay-off days came and thousands of people were buried under rubble or drowned. Even though they would have all been desperately praying in their final moments.
Saturday October 9th, 2010 @ 11:49am
Hal, I salute your patience in going through all of this (largely obvious) stuff step-by-step for yet another person who hasn’t bothered to read through arguments that are contrary to their assumptions and opinions.
And before you ask again Fatima – it’s a public forum. Anyone can correspond. You might want to get a thicker skin and expect a degree of swearing directed your way given the standard, tedious, repetitive and answered questions you keep putting forward without really acknowledging anyone else’s developed responses to your queries and statements.
Saturday October 9th, 2010 @ 12:11pm
Thanks Ben, you’ve pinpointed the exact problem that recurs with most religious contributors here.
Our responses are laid out to them in the clearest terms possible yet they still fail to comprehend them. They then pose unintelligible or inane conundrums in an attempt to “stump” us.
Well it works. We can’t answer a question that makes no sense.
Wednesday October 13th, 2010 @ 5:03pm
Greenwold has a small penis
Wednesday October 13th, 2010 @ 5:04pm
And you’re an admitted circumcised wanker.
Saturday October 9th, 2010 @ 10:21pm
I approve of the comment above.
Wednesday October 13th, 2010 @ 5:03pm
you approve of that?
Wednesday October 13th, 2010 @ 5:05pm
Why not? At least Hal is one of the more literate people around here… Neutered Views.
Wednesday October 13th, 2010 @ 5:32pm
Why so bitter, neutered views?
Sunday October 10th, 2010 @ 9:59am
your saying i dont undestand and your right i really don’t understand your piont of view of things and you don’t really understand mine.
thats many of the reasons why i wont be back THAT and my dad doesnt feel comfortable with me havind a discuss with men at my age.
Sunday October 10th, 2010 @ 10:31am
Your dad’s right. You should let him take over from you.
Saturday October 9th, 2010 @ 12:22pm
The name of Allah
Christians that God put a man they are fool.
Saturday October 9th, 2010 @ 10:17pm
What?
Saturday October 9th, 2010 @ 10:23pm
I’ve gotta say this idiot did make me chuckle. He couldn’t even think of a username.
Sunday October 10th, 2010 @ 3:16am
Heh. Check out the title of the site he’s linking to in his username:
Islam religion world best
Superior religion
And the rest of the site is filled with bullshit as well.
Saturday October 9th, 2010 @ 4:53pm
hi again. i see that everyone has made a lot of stupid remarks since i left.
Saturday October 9th, 2010 @ 5:03pm
which is a lot more than necessary.
Monday October 11th, 2010 @ 9:27am
buahahahahaha.
these cartoons are hilarious, because they are so truth!
kinda makes me sad at the same time, wondering why..?
Monday October 11th, 2010 @ 7:00pm
WOW!!!
Wednesday October 13th, 2010 @ 4:06pm
this is the problem you cant assume that a whole religion is about terrorism just because a few do it that is just prejudice e.g its like me going up to you and saying i don’t like you because you are from that area i haven’t met you before and i only said it because i know someone from that area which i actually don’t like.
Wednesday October 13th, 2010 @ 4:12pm
I don’t care about the terrorism.
It’s the stupid laws with stupid punishments.
The delusional bullshit.
The indoctrination of children who don’t know any better who then cannot leave for fear of death.
It’s the constant cry for tolerance of intolerance.
The endless assaults on progress.
The bullshit comments like your own post here, where you misunderstand the complaints made about you by the rest of the world.
You’re the ones hiding behind terrorism as a defense at this point.
You’re the ones accusing yourselves of all being terrorists by saying that we do so.
This is what we hate. And I do mean hate.
Wednesday October 13th, 2010 @ 5:00pm
they can find justification IN the actual quran for what they’re doing.
they could even make another sect for the bullshit they’re interpreting for your bullshit.
she3a etc.
its the same for all religion.
christianity = catholics, pretestants etc..
religion = poo
Wednesday October 13th, 2010 @ 4:18pm
well thats what we hate aswell when peoplelike you dont understand what they are talking about yet they still argue…
Wednesday October 13th, 2010 @ 4:36pm
ok your saying islam is not about peace well ok then lets start from the start the greeting word of islam is ‘Aslamalikom’ which means peace upon you and the extended greeting is ‘Asalamlikom wa rahmat allah wa barakatuhu’ which means peace upon you and god’s blessing.
Also your saying ‘The indoctrination of children who don’t know any better who then cannot leave for fear of death’ firstly let me correct you on that point, who/where did you get the idea that children are killed if they leave islam and they are forced to be muslims… i am a 16 year old and no one forced me to be a muslim i chose for my self.
Wednesday October 13th, 2010 @ 4:51pm
Check out these ‘peaceful’ and ‘loving’ verses from the Qu’ran in these links:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/inj/long.html
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html
Oh yeah, and Muhammad was a pedophile:
https://irreligion.org/2010/09/10/muhammad-and-his-9-year-old-wife-aisha
What do you got to say now? “The Devil is blinding you!”
Wednesday October 13th, 2010 @ 4:58pm
that is arabic, not islam’ic’.
asalmualykum is TWO words.
lol, you didnt choose for yourself.
i bet you my life that you have never actually thought the question, “why do i believe in my religion.
your mum said so, so you did….
Wednesday October 13th, 2010 @ 5:41pm
again people who are talking about things they dont understand, firstly i am arabic so i would know secondly all the islamic terms,qutoes,teechings,scripts are in arabic the language ofislam is arabic..
Wednesday October 13th, 2010 @ 5:06pm
The Kuran itself states that the penalty for apostasy is death. Have you read your own book?
Wednesday October 13th, 2010 @ 4:39pm
peace be upon you* mistake
Wednesday October 13th, 2010 @ 5:37pm
Wednesday October 13th, 2010 @ 5:39pm
apostasy penalty is only for adults not for children
Wednesday October 13th, 2010 @ 6:06pm
You idiot.
Wednesday October 13th, 2010 @ 6:16pm
Apostasy penalty affects BOTH males and females, regardless of age.
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 3:48am
omg i am not talking about it n genral am saying that in islam only adults arepunished for their actions.
also is that all you know swear its callleda debate
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 2:03pm
You stupid idiot.
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 2:49pm
Dear hal,andre and green world and any other person who has a point to help us
I apology to all people in this site if i had mistakes that i can not see
I see that Miracles in the Quran is the use of terms that accurately reflect what they want .. And do not collide with any concept
I read the Koran several times and stopped at several things, including
In the name of allah
(If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur’an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.88 )
From surat Isra
(13. Those are limits set by Allah. those who obey Allah and His Messenger will be admitted to Gardens with rivers flowing beneath, to abide therein (for ever) and that will be the supreme achievement.
14. But those who disobey Allah and His Messenger and transgress His limits will be admitted to a Fire, to abide therein: And they shall have a humiliating punishment.
78. “Wherever ye are, death will find you out, even if ye are in towers built up strong and high!” If some good befalls them, they say, “This is from Allah.; but if evil, they say, “This is from thee” (O Prophet). Say: “All things are from Allah.” But what hath come to these people, that they fail to understand a single fact? )
From surat woman
(34. Verily the knowledge of the Hour is with Allah (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He Who knows what is in the wombs. Nor does any one know what it is that he will earn on the morrow: Nor does any one know in what land he is to die. Verily with Allah is full knowledge and He is acquainted (with all things).
From surat Luqman
(19. And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance. )from surat Al-hijr
40. It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law).
From surat Ya-sin
(73. O men! Here is a parable set forth! listen to it! Those on whom, besides Allah, ye call, cannot create (even) a fly, if they all met together for the purpose! and if the fly should snatch away anything from them, they would have no power to release it from the fly. Feeble are those who petition and those whom they petition!
74. No just estimate have they made of Allah. for Allah is He Who is strong and able to Carry out His Will. )
From surat The Pilgrimage
Explain this as you see it
Hal , about the info of girls grow faster in the hot countries than the cold countries
I asked my science teacher about it and he said that its true that the puberty of boys &girls in hot countries is earlier than the cold countries in your way i should say that you are ignorance fool but i read Hadith about prophet says that muslim should not describe people with bad words(insults)
(I am certainly more intelligent than you)i can not Judge in the certain time but i think my brother Hammmad is more than both of us
And i do not know what is meant by a computer 24/7 ,my computer is hp laptop but certainly it is with my father because of the school
sponmanwos,about the man and the woman in islam equal to any man (i have more than one proof that islam did not Underestimate or Humiliate any woman or the woman at general)
the man and the woman in islam are Partners in life
each one of them has but normally someone is more special will lead
When i said that you have no job i did not mean it literally but i meant that there is a limit for everything
If i will talk about any muslim i think i wish for every one to be so
And about green world enormous comment i did not read it all but some
so if Allah tha he will punish deny and Disobey him
why me as a muslim will want to bomb you ? i think #1 i will try to show you the truth and the right way #2 if he did not listened , i will not waste time with him because our lives in our hands and as i said before people who do and people who do not are not equal
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 3:38pm
This post is hilarious. You seem to beg for forgiveness while simultaneously being a complete bitch.
My favourite part:
“Hal , about the info of girls grow faster in the hot countries than the cold countries
I asked my science teacher about it and he said that its true that the puberty of boys &girls in hot countries is earlier than the cold countries in your way i should say that you are ignorance fool but i read Hadith about prophet says that muslim should not describe people with bad words(insults)
(I am certainly more intelligent than you)i can not Judge in the certain time but i think my brother Hammmad is more than both of us”
Specifically where you claim to be more intelligent than Hal and the rest of us, and then saying that Hammad is yet more intelligent still. We’ve already proven that Hammad is a complete fucking moron on page 4 I believe, may have been page 5, I get these mixed up because there are several of you being outed as idiots on every page.
Maybe you should start reading entire comments before responding to them?
“why me as a muslim will want to bomb you ? i think #1 i will try to show you the truth and the right way #2 if he did not listened , i will not waste time with him because our lives in our hands and as i said before people who do and people who do not are not equal”
Wait a minute, how does bombing us show us “the truth and the right way”? What the hell? Where is the connection here? Are you seriously that insane?
Tuesday October 19th, 2010 @ 1:25pm
And who told you that beg for forgiveness
no ,i think seriously and practicaly
you may can not understand me but i do not care
if i am here to tell you something worth so i care about you and no shame or bad to say so
and (I am certainly more intelligent than you)
this is written by hal not me ,i was reply
about bombing i did not say so ,no attends to do so
And i luv hammad why i will say any bad about him? muslims can not be enemies ever
He is cool and idealism and he talk like my dad
Think like no moron here except one and he knew himself
And stop your Saucy words
I am disgusted with you
You are fake why you did not reply on quran ?
Tuesday October 19th, 2010 @ 1:48pm
Why are you still trying? We already know you’re stupid, you don’t have to keep trying to prove it to us.
Tuesday May 31st, 2011 @ 9:38am
I am not trying actually i am playing
Tuesday October 19th, 2010 @ 2:50pm
thats right because they focus on killing ‘infidels’ instead. muslims need to unite and that is a great way to reconcile — by killing and criticizing ‘infidels’.
Tuesday May 31st, 2011 @ 9:44am
You are a liar (Deceptive) or very stupid to understand
Tuesday October 19th, 2010 @ 4:46pm
Why are you still writing, Esraa? Without meaning to offend, the truth is that your English just isn’t good enough to get any clear meaning from what you post.
Study English a bit more, and have the courage and humility to study texts outside your comfort zone (and if you’re going to get pissed off with atheism, actually reading a handful of decent books on the subject first might put you in good stead) – but, seriously, at present you are just typing out largely unintelligible guff.
For the record, there’s no two ways about it – all those hadiths agree that Mohammed was a paedophile. The beginning of puberty is not sexual maturity. Are you going to acknowledge the fact your texts agree he was a paedophile, or live in denial?
Tuesday May 31st, 2011 @ 9:56am
Ben
When the sexual maturity begins?
And do not ask me to believe you,it is more like to believe that Jews are the builders of the pyramids (not true), unless you have a proof.
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 4:23pm
your saying that the quran isnt evidence because it cannot be proven well ok then how come it speaks about things that are happening now and will happen and until now everyhting that is said in the quran that will happen has happended please explain this to me. if somepeople wrote it then how could they know what was to come hounder of years on.
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 4:31pm
The sun will set in the west tonight.
Look! A prediction of the future!
Fucking moron.
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 4:34pm
lol.. excatly as i expected focusing on one thing that hasnt happended ofcourse you wont belive it until it happens. lets focus on the things that happened. let see your answer to that.
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 4:49pm
You’re an idiot.
This has been discussed countless times. Go back a few pages.
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 4:49pm
i will give one example for now answer me on this:
One day while the Prophet was sitting in the company of some people, (The angel) Gabriel came and asked, “What is faith?” Allah’s Apostle replied, ‘Faith is to believe in Allah, His angels, (the) meeting with Him, His Apostles, and to believe in Resurrection.” Then he further asked, “What is Islam?” Allah’s Apostle replied, “To worship Allah Alone and none else, to offer prayers perfectly to pay the compulsory charity (Zakat) and to observe fasts during the month of Ramadan.” Then he further asked, “What is Ihsan (perfection)?” Allah’s Apostle replied, “To worship Allah as if you see Him, and if you cannot achieve this state of devotion then you must consider that He is looking at you.” Then he further asked, “When will the Hour be established?” Allah’s Apostle replied, “The answerer has no better knowledge than the questioner. But I will inform you about its portents.
1. When a slave (lady) gives birth to her master.
2. When the shepherds of black camels start boasting and competing with others in the construction of higher buildings. And the Hour is one of five things which nobody knows except Allah.
The Prophet then recited: “Verily, with Allah (Alone) is the knowledge of the Hour–.” (31. 34) Then that man (Gabriel) left and the Prophet asked his companions to call him back, but they could not see him. Then the Prophet said, “That was Gabriel who came to teach the people their religion.” Abu ‘Abdullah said: He (the Prophet) considered all that as a part of faith.
answer me on this —> 2. When the shepherds of black camels start boasting and competing with others in the construction of higher buildings. And the Hour is one of five things which nobody knows except Allah.
it is happening in dubai.and many other middle east countrys
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 4:52pm
these prophesies are some of many that prophet mohammed (PBUH) has told about and they are split into sections the small prophesies and the big prophesies nearly all the small one have happended.
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 4:55pm
Nostradamus played a lot of word games as well. Why don’t you worship him for making vague predictions as well?
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 4:58pm
omg this isnt vague.
you know it your are just denying it.
answer me properly and dont change the question. how would a person that doesnt know how to read or write know all this would happen and in a very descriptive way.
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 5:00pm
I’m just going to keep calling you an idiot until you go read every single other page of this thread.
Idiot.
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 5:20pm
Santa Claus delivers presents to all the “nice” people late at night on December 24 with his 12 flying reindeers. He knows when we’re naughty and always checks his list twice. The “naughty” ones get nothing but masses of coal in their stockings. Santa Claus returns to his workshop at the North Pole afterwards, where his elves are busy producing toys and other gifts for the next delivery.
Also, Santa Claus is jolly, fat, enjoys a feast of milk and cookies, and has a wife named Mrs. Claus who stays back at the North Pole when he’s out delivering the presents.
How would a person who doesn’t know how to read or write know all this would happen in a very descriptive way?
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 5:22pm
Too bad I was a terrible person in 2004 and STILL got tons of awesome presents.
Someone wasn’t paying attention…
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 5:16pm
nice come back proves you have nothing to say
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 5:23pm
This proves you don’t really read that much.
I won’t call you an idiot, as Andre has multiple times.
Rather, I’ll call you an illiterate glorified bag of piss.
Tuesday October 19th, 2010 @ 4:49pm
Hahahaha… Salutations, Greenworld. That cheered me :)
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 5:19pm
if you know that what you think is true and think this is wrong then answer my question and if you dont then you are someone who doesnt know what they are saying orwhat they are talking about instead decide to switch their brain and dont want to listen to anything.
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 5:20pm
You idiot!
I’ve already said it all, read the other pages idiot!
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 5:21pm
1. Open Istanbul and Rome
Prophet Muhammad predicted that the Muslims would open two cities, Istanbul and Rome. His companions asked him which one would be opened first, he replied Istanbul (present city of Contantinople in Turkey). The Muslims opened Istanbul in 1453 A.D. after fighting for 55 days. The leader of the Muslims was Muhammad Al Feteh. This ended the powerful empire of Rome. There were two major sects of Christianity: one is based in Rome and the other in Istanbul.
2. Mongols and Tartars
The Muslims will fight two tribes. The first tribe has face like the hammer (the Mongolians). The second tribe wears furs and has small eyes (the Tartars (Taimur Lung and Genghis Khan). Both predictions occurred when these tribes destroyed the established Islamic state and captured the territories, except for the Arabian peninsula. But after a few years, they accepted Islam. There about 90,000,000 Muslims in China and around 80,000,000 Muslims in the former Republic of Soviet Union.
3. End of Caesar and Qisra
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said to Caesar and Qisra that after their death there will be no more Caesar and Qisra.And these empires joined the Islamic state. This happened in 638 A.D. (during the period of the second Calipha Omar).
4. Jewish Control Of Palestine
The Muslims and Jews will fight against each other. The Muslims will be on the Eastern side and the Jews will be on the Western side of the Jordan River. We know that the Jewish people captured Palestine and fought against the Arabs. The prophecy in this verse has been fulfilled through the support of the Israeli State by America, Europe and Russia.
5. People Prefer Dogs over Children
He predicted that in the future people will care more for dogs than their children. Today we find couples who do not want to have children and instead prefer to have dogs.
6. Open Sex
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) predicted that a time will come when people will have open sex in the streets and other public places. We see this in the theater, university campuses, etc.
7. Interest (Banks)
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) predicted that a time will come when people everywhere will use interest all over the world and nobody will be able to escape it. Europe and America were against interest until the start of the 19th century when Vatican started using interest, then others accepted.
8. Muslims Will Open Egypt
Prophet Muhammad told his (Sahabah) followers that God would help the Muslims open Egypt. The Muslims were told to be kin to the Christian people (Themee) and take care of them because they are relatives to me (Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) ). Under Islamic Law, Themee (Jews and Christians) have every right to practice their own customs and beliefs. They are not required to participate in any war to defend the Islamic State. In the 12th century, during the Crusades, many Christian Arabs fought enthusiastically with the Muslims against the European Christians to defend the Islamic State, because they were satisfied with their life under Islamic rule. Egypt now has 50 million Muslims.
9. Increase in Trading
A wife helps her husband with earning money. The relationship among families and relatives are weakened. Education improved. The justice system is unfair.
10. The Muslims Will Fight the False Messiah
The Muslims on the east of Jordan River and the false Messiah on the west.
11. Nudes on the Beach
Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) said that a time will come when the devil will put his throne on the sea and invite people to it. This is the present trend of going to the beaches in nakedness. This trend started after World War I.
12. Forty Islamic States
At the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), there was only one Islamic state the one which was formed by Prophet Muhammad himself. But Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) predicted that a time would come when there would be 40 Islamic states, and they will be controlled by the Anti-Christ. He also he also predicted that more than 70,000 people form the Old Persian Empire (Western Russia and Northern Iran, and west of Afghanistan) will follow the Anti-Christ. Many Jews are presently leaving this area and are moving to the Palestine area.
13. Adoption of Western Dress By Muslim Women
He predicted that a time will come when Muslim women will be wearing Un-Islamic clothing.
14. Aids (Or Sexually Transmitted Diseases)
No nation that ever practiced sodomy and adultery will escape the inflection of diseases, pains, and suffering which were unknown to their ancestors.
15. Transportation
The rider of the camel will pass his brother who has a heavily burdened camel and not offer him a ride. And there will come a time when a person will pass his brother. The camels of evil I have seen but no yet the camels of speed (cars) exist ( faster than the speed of horse.). There will come a time on my nations (nation of Islam) when they will ride the great saddles to prayer (cars).
16. Arabs Will Be Wealthy
Omar Iben Alkhataab narrated the word of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). He said shepherds with no sandals would be builders of tall buildings, and leaders of great countries. The Arabs have\ now built tall buildings and are presidents and kings.
17. Abu Ayoob Al A Nsari Will Die Outside Arabia
Abu Ayoob died in 674 A.D. his remains were later found in 1458. The Muslims built a mosque behind it. Prophet Muhammad lived in Abu Ayoob’s house in Medina when he first immigrated to Medina. Prophet Muhammad made a prophecy that Abu Ayoob would die outside Arabia. Abu Ayoob died in Istanbull.
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 5:27pm
18. Muhammad married a 6-year-old child and popped her cherry by the age of 9.
A Muslim apologist says that the reason he chose to marry a mere prepubescent child was because she was considered to be an “exception.” But of course, I’m sure a typical pedophile would also love to say that their romantic attraction towards that nice tan Filipino 12-year-old child is an “exception” to their initial attraction towards adults. A pedophile is someone who has sex with children, regardless if they are abusing them or not. Children are easy to deceive, and the easily deceived do nothing to stop it.
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 5:38pm
wait firstly he married her when she was 6-7years old but she stayed with her parents till 9-10 this was something normal for people at the time they would marry a girl and she would only join him when she is older also how many time dont you get this at that time a 9year old girl would be like a 18 year old girl now she would of hit puberty and was like a woman.
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 5:45pm
Read this:
https://irreligion.org/2010/09/10/muhammad-and-his-9-year-old-wife-aisha/
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 5:48pm
NYUK NYUK NYUK HAHAHAHA!
9 year old girls were 9 year old girls dude.
You idiot.
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 5:49pm
have you not read what i just said
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 5:51pm
Yes, I did. Have YOU read what I just linked you to?
You illiterate glorified bag of piss.
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 5:50pm
diffrent cultures have diffrent ideas and beliefs in yeman men still marry girls at a young age
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 5:53pm
It doesn’t matter; it’s pedophilia either way. Cultures that accept these customs are organized by pedophiles.
Here’s the definition of what a pedophile is:
pe·do·phile /ˈpidəˌfaɪl/
[pee-duh-fahyl]
–noun Psychiatry .
an adult who is sexually attracted to young children.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pedophile
You illiterate glorified bag of piss.
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 5:53pm
yes i have why dou have toyou bad language?
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 5:56pm
Because you can’t read properly. Everytime you say something, we’re 4 steps ahead of you.
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 5:54pm
anyone can swear it doesnt help your argument you know
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 5:55pm
Anyone can be stupid as shit it doesn’t help your argument you know.
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 5:57pm
Who the fuck cares? I already provided you all I have (for now) on evidence that Muhammad was a pedophile. So why don’t you work on what I have provided so far? Or are you just going to whine at language? Cry me a river.
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 6:10pm
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 6:11pm
ok then in most cultures burping after eating while still on the table is bad manners but in japan if you dont burp after eating then it is considered that you didnt enjoy the meal see its different in each culture. also again did u read what i said when someone is age 9 there sheis considered a woman. so you are being rascit as well now ‘It doesn’t matter; it’s pedophilia either way. Cultures that accept these customs are organized by pedophiles.’
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 6:13pm
Burping at the table isn’t the same as sticking your cock in a little kid’s orifice.
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 6:27pm
What the hell does burping have to do with having sex with a child? These two are on the opposite sides of the scale.
So, a girl at the age of 9 is considered a woman? What kind of sick minded culture is this? And what the hell does this have anything to do with racism? Not all Arabs are Muslims, you illiterate glorified bag of piss. Stop stereotyping.
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 7:36pm
best 3 minutes of laughter ever. you win the darwin award. hail
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 6:18pm
OMG listen read what i am saying!!!!!!!!!
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 6:21pm
Read what we’ve said, on several pages, several times.
Idiot.
Thursday October 14th, 2010 @ 6:25pm
Wow you are so simple. We’ve read your arguments and agree that you are wrong on every level.